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| Guest |
 Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 5:59 pm |
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The Symmetry:
Two platforms approach each other at c/3 with a pair of twins on each
one.
One of each twin departs at c/3 relative to his platform and travels
1/2 his invariant time to the other platform and 1/2 his other
invariant time returns with the other platform at c/3.
Before the platforms intersect, from 1000km away they proportionally
reduce their velocity so that the new velocity difference is zero upon
intersection, NOW the platforms are together.
PART_1 of the Impossibility:
The twins do INDEED end-up fully capable of comparing ALL their clocks
simultaneously at the end within the same inertial reference frame. And
it is IMPOSSIBLE TO DETERMINE ANY LOGICAL CLOCK READING.
Just plug-in absolutely any clock rate for both Platform's invariant
times and it will always be impossible...try it.
1. The 2nd half of both voyages each immigrant twin must AGE LESS by
the same amount as the first half of his trip = large percentage = 50%
of aging time.
2. The 2nd half of both voyages each immigrant twin & platform's clock
must tick at the same rate and therefore age at the SAME rate.
Therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for each immigrant twin & platform to both
age less than the other immigrant twin & platform and as demonstrated
they do all INDEED compare clocks at the END.
(The clocks values ****WILL NOT**** magically change values at the last
1000km stretch when they proportionally reduce their velocities to meet
each other, THE CLOCK RATES AND VALUES ARE MORE AFFECTED DURING THE
ENTIRE VOYAGE).
PART_2 of the Mathematical Impossibililty:
Because during the final 1/2 which is the return voyage each plaform
beats at the same rate as its new immigrant twin therefore:
invariant_t1 = gamma2(invariant_t2)
invariant_t2 = gamma1(invariant_t1)
2. Since gamma1 = gamma2 since both v = c/3 therefore reducing equation
#1:
invartiant_t1/invatiant_t2= invariant_t2/invariant_t1
***Which is MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE and therefore the RELATIVISTS are
going crazy since this means the end of RELATIVITY'S TIME DILATION****
Anyone can "try" to plug-in their own numbers to "try" and determine
what the final clock comparison readings will be and IT WILL NOT WORK.
UNTIL THEN THIS MEANS THE END OF RELATIVITY'S TIME DILATION. |
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| Sam Wormley |
| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 6:17 pm |
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| Uncle Al |
| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 6:58 pm |
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guskz@hotmail.com wrote:
[quote:d96fd0f765]
The Symmetry:
Two platforms approach each other at c/3 with a pair of twins on each
one.
[snip crap][/quote:d96fd0f765]
[quote:d96fd0f765]UNTIL THEN THIS MEANS THE END OF RELATIVITY'S TIME DILATION.
[/quote:d96fd0f765]
Hopeless ineducable idiot.
<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html>
Hafele-Keating Experiment
http://www.hawaii.edu/suremath/SRtwinParadox.html
<http://physics.syr.edu/courses/modules/LIGHTCONE/twins.html>
Twin Paradox
If empirical reality says you are an idiot, then you are an empirical
idiot. EVerything works by the book, idiot, including strong field
observations,
Science 303(5661) 1143;1153 (2004)
http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0401086
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0312071
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-5/index.html>
Deeply relativistic neutron star binaries
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Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 7:44 pm |
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Uncle Al wrote:
[quote:19b32b29e6]guskz@hotmail.com wrote:
The Symmetry:
Two platforms approach each other at c/3 with a pair of twins on
each
one.
[snip crap]
UNTIL THEN THIS MEANS THE END OF RELATIVITY'S TIME DILATION.
Hopeless ineducable idiot.
[/quote:19b32b29e6]
Stop rambling and prove I'm an idiot.
All the variables and factors for the math have been provided, YOU WILL
NOT BE ABLE TO COME TO A LOGICAL NUMERICAL ANSWER to what the four
twins clock readings will be.... IMPOSSIBLE.
FOR THAT REASON Relativity's TIME DILATION THEORY MUST END.
Come to a logical numerical computation for all four twins clock (with
the gvien inital settings) AND YOU WILL NOT READ FROM ME FOR AN ENTIRE
MONTH! |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 7:50 pm |
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g...@hotmail.com wrote:
[quote:57863887d9]Uncle Al wrote:
guskz@hotmail.com wrote:
The Symmetry:
Two platforms approach each other at c/3 with a pair of twins on
each
one.
[snip crap]
UNTIL THEN THIS MEANS THE END OF RELATIVITY'S TIME DILATION.
Hopeless ineducable idiot.
Stop rambling and prove I'm an idiot.
All the variables and factors for the math have been provided, YOU
WILL
NOT BE ABLE TO COME TO A LOGICAL NUMERICAL ANSWER to what the four
twins clock readings will be.... IMPOSSIBLE.
FOR THAT REASON Relativity's TIME DILATION THEORY MUST END.
Come to a logical numerical computation for all four twins clock
(with
the gvien inital settings) AND YOU WILL NOT READ FROM ME FOR AN
ENTIRE
MONTH!
[/quote:57863887d9]
Of course you must also adhere to the same rules and stay away from
posting to this newsgroup for one month if you fail. You will fail.
FOR THAT REASON Relativity's TIME DILATION THEORY MUST END |
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| Dirk Van de moortel |
| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:44 am |
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"RP" <no_mail_no_spam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:38ftn5F5n9pjqU1@individual.net...
[snip]
[quote:72fdfad700]Though Dirk supposes that inverting the resultant ticking rate
relationships that were derived via integration provides for events
wrt an accelerated frame, entirely in the context of SR, his
assumption is incorrect.
[/quote:72fdfad700]
*What* am I supposing?
"that inverting the resultant ticking rate relationships that
were derived via integration provides for events wrt an
accelerated frame, entirely in the context of SR"
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Perry, you are making progress, but you are still talking
through your back end.
[quote:72fdfad700]The assumption that some acceleration
dependent component of the relative ticking rates is absolute
(non-reciprocated) is an assumption of GR.
[/quote:72fdfad700]
So you still should have that careful look at
http://www.geocities.com/slithytove5/AccelClocks.htm
[followup set to sci.physics.relativity]
Dirk Vdm |
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| Gregory L. Hansen |
| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:03 am |
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In article <1109612604.706615.121910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
<guskz@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote:f422b946e6]
Uncle Al wrote:
2) Past acceleration is irrelevant to the running of present clocks,
MUCH MUCH MORE ****IMPORTANTLY*****:
Present acceleration is irrelevant to the running of past clocks.
MEANING:
As the traveling twin returns say at -c/3 to his home brother, HE WILL
STILL REMAIN YOUNGER THAN HIS BROTHER ***IF INSTEAD*** of reducing his
velocity to zero, his brother accelerates to -c/3 to meet him!!!!!
SOLELY FOR THIS REASON THE GIVEN DOUBLE PLATFORM TWIN PARADOX
DEMONSTRATES THE END OF EINSTEIN'S RELATIVITY....the variables,factors
and settings have been given ....do the math where at the end all four
clocks are compared, you will not be able to come to a logical
tabulated answer.
[/quote:f422b946e6]
You're aware of the identically accelerated twins paradox, right? The one
in front ages faster.
--
"A nice adaptation of conditions will make almost any hypothesis agree
with the phenomena. This will please the imagination but does not advance
our knowledge." -- J. Black, 1803. |
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| Alex |
| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:05 pm |
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The twin paradox is not symmetrical.
The symmetrical situation occurs when both twins leave each other and
both turn at the half way point.
Your challenge is, from your knowledge of relativistic phase, to work
out the effects of the asymmetry in the twin paradox compared with the
symmetrical situation. (Clue: look at the tilt of the x-axes of the
twins, their 'lines of simultaneity' in the x direction, and work out
what happens as they change direction of tilt during the turn).
Best Wishes
Alex Green |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:19 pm |
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Alex wrote:
[quote:a40e0bc89c]The twin paradox is not symmetrical.
[/quote:a40e0bc89c]
This is not the twin paradox but the double platform twin paradox.
[quote:a40e0bc89c]The symmetrical situation occurs when both twins leave each other and
both turn at the half way point.
Your challenge is,
[/quote:a40e0bc89c]
I already gave a challenge and NO one has computed it because it cannot
be computed therefore it means the End of Time Dilation.
The variables are given, just plug in the numbers if you can...you will
not be able to come to an arithmetic answer....remember according to
the LAWS of Relativity both PLATFORMS have never met each other and by
LAW are both allowed to set their own reference frame and clocks.
[quote:a40e0bc89c]from your knowledge of relativistic phase, to work
out the effects of the asymmetry in the twin paradox compared with
the
symmetrical situation. (Clue: look at the tilt of the x-axes of the
twins, their 'lines of simultaneity' in the x direction, and work out
what happens as they change direction of tilt during the turn).
Best Wishes
Alex Green[/quote:a40e0bc89c] |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:33 pm |
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RP wrote:
[quote:f22857d679]
When w = v, i.e. when the velocity is constant, the equation reduces
to:
delta_t' = sqrt(r^2/v^2 - r^2/c^2) = (r/v)sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2)
= delta_t/gamma
[/quote:f22857d679]
The above equation only works with ONE INERTIAL FRAME, the case given
for the double plaform twin paradox has two reference frames:
1. The LAWS of Relativity allow more than one reference frame as
demonstrated by the equation w = (u+v)/(1+uv/c^2).
2. Likewise not only velocity but also time (clocks) are allowed to
have more than one reference frame.
3. Both platforms of the double platform twin paradox have NEVER met
each other yet and by the LAWS of Relatvitity Both Platforms are
legally permitted to each establish his clock and platform as his
Inertial Reference Frame.
4. Both Platform is legally permitted to expect HIS travelling twin to
age less.
5. Both Platforms come to a relavistic full stop at the End just as
they intersect and compare all their clocks.
The variables have been given and it is impossible to come to an
arithmaticly sound answer for the 4 clock readings at the End, try it,
you can't because it's impossible!
Therefore it means the End of Einsteind Relativity, paving the way for
perhaps absolute space. |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:43 pm |
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Uncle Al wrote:
[quote:501a1c6874]
2) Past acceleration is irrelevant to the running of present clocks,
[/quote:501a1c6874]
MUCH MUCH MORE ****IMPORTANTLY*****:
Present acceleration is irrelevant to the running of past clocks.
MEANING:
As the traveling twin returns say at -c/3 to his home brother, HE WILL
STILL REMAIN YOUNGER THAN HIS BROTHER ***IF INSTEAD*** of reducing his
velocity to zero, his brother accelerates to -c/3 to meet him!!!!!
SOLELY FOR THIS REASON THE GIVEN DOUBLE PLATFORM TWIN PARADOX
DEMONSTRATES THE END OF EINSTEIN'S RELATIVITY....the variables,factors
and settings have been given ....do the math where at the end all four
clocks are compared, you will not be able to come to a logical
tabulated answer. |
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