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| George Cox |
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| How is heroin for legitimate use made? From poppies or synthetically? |
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| Uncle Al |
| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:12 pm |
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George Cox wrote:
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How is heroin for legitimate use made? From poppies or synthetically?
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Morphine (opium) is acetylated. The reaction is exothermic and
self-accelerating. Synthetic opiates are made from morphine or, with
wholly different structures (fentanyl, meperidine), synthesized from
scratch.
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| Bruce Sinclair |
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:27 pm |
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In article <419D237D.B5BB407E@spambtinternet.com.invalid>, George Cox <george_coxanti@spambtinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
[quote:82956b320b]How is heroin for legitimate use made? From poppies or synthetically?
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Curious. What is your legitimate use ? ... standards I suppose ? :)
Bruce
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| Chergarj |
| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:27 am |
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[quote:8fb21fa703]How is heroin for legitimate use made? From poppies or synthetically?
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Commonly accepted characterization is that it has no legitimate use. |
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| Muhammar |
| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:19 pm |
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chergarj@cs.comhaho (Chergarj) wrote in message news:<20041123002746.21787.00000928@mb-m12.news.cs.com>...
[quote:6c87b1053d]How is heroin for legitimate use made? From poppies or synthetically?
Commonly accepted characterization is that it has no legitimate use.
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Wrong. Google Diamorphine (=medical name of heroin) |
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| Richard Henry |
| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 9:03 pm |
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"Chergarj" <chergarj@cs.comhaho> wrote in message
news:20041123002746.21787.00000928@mb-m12.news.cs.com...
[quote:21af50bc4c]How is heroin for legitimate use made? From poppies or synthetically?
Commonly accepted characterization is that it has no legitimate use.
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Is is an effective painkiller for those who have short enough life remaining
that the addiction is not likely to be a burden. |
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| Dirk Bruere at Neopax |
| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 9:50 pm |
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Richard Henry wrote:
[quote:b49f37f351]"Chergarj" <chergarj@cs.comhaho> wrote in message
news:20041123002746.21787.00000928@mb-m12.news.cs.com...
How is heroin for legitimate use made? From poppies or synthetically?
Commonly accepted characterization is that it has no legitimate use.
Is is an effective painkiller for those who have short enough life remaining
that the addiction is not likely to be a burden.
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Used across most of the world, apart from the US.
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| Steve Turner |
| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 7:31 am |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 02:50:09 +0000, Dirk Bruere at Neopax
<dirk@neopax.com> wrote:
[quote:4283cd6d50]Richard Henry wrote:
"Chergarj" <chergarj@cs.comhaho> wrote in message
news:20041123002746.21787.00000928@mb-m12.news.cs.com...
How is heroin for legitimate use made? From poppies or synthetically?
Commonly accepted characterization is that it has no legitimate use.
Is is an effective painkiller for those who have short enough life remaining
that the addiction is not likely to be a burden.
Used across most of the world, apart from the US.
[/quote:4283cd6d50]
Oh, it's used quite extensively in the U.S.
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| George Cox |
| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:22 pm |
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Richard Henry wrote:
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"Chergarj" <chergarj@cs.comhaho> wrote in message
news:20041123002746.21787.00000928@mb-m12.news.cs.com...
How is heroin for legitimate use made? From poppies or synthetically?
Commonly accepted characterization is that it has no legitimate use.
Is is an effective painkiller for those who have short enough life remaining
that the addiction is not likely to be a burden.
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I have twice had it as a pain killer even though I do not (as far as I
know) have a short life remaining. One needs to take quite a lot of
heroin to become addicted to it. |
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| George Cox |
| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:26 pm |
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Ron Jones wrote:
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... raw opium - IIRC was
usually bought in 10 tons lots ...
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Bought from whom? |
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| Killinchy |
| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:12 pm |
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"George Cox" <george_coxanti@spambtinternet.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:41ABB035.9E87FB55@spambtinternet.com.invalid...
[quote:6caf42790c]Ron Jones wrote:
... raw opium - IIRC was
usually bought in 10 tons lots ...
Bought from whom?
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A million years ago, when I was a Pharmacy student, "Turkish State" opium
was good stuff. I recall it was always wrapped in yellow paper and red
string (or was it the other way round??) |
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| Borek |
| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:25 am |
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George Cox wrote:
[quote:187d1e15ad]The reason for my question was this second question: why do the drug
companies not buy opium from the presently illegal growers in such
places as Afghanistan? Presumably the growers just want the money, they
don't care who they sell to. Would this cut off the supply to the
illegal dealers?
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Scale. For legal use you need tens of tons (?) per year; they can grow
thousands. My numbers can be incorreect, but the idea is correct for
sure.
Best,
Borek
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| jitney |
| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:34 am |
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George Cox <george_coxanti@spambtinternet.com.invalid> wrote in message news:<41ABAF21.9C5A1493@spambtinternet.com.invalid>...
[quote:12aa211a7c]Richard Henry wrote:
"Chergarj" <chergarj@cs.comhaho> wrote in message
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How is heroin for legitimate use made? From poppies or synthetically?
How about methadone? My understanding is that the Germans developed it[/quote:12aa211a7c]
as a synthetic substitute during either WWI or WWII, as a way around
the blockade. Does someone on this thread know how it's done?-Jitney |
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| George Cox |
| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 6:43 am |
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Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
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The US govt was offered a deal a few years ago from a major producer in the
Golden Triangle. For the cost of the opium the producer would guarantee that
opium was *not* produced in the areas under his control. It would have cut
production from the Golden Triangle by a third. The US turned down the offer.
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Do you know why?
My guess: law enforcement is big business in the States and it thrives
on drugs. Fewer drugs = more unemployment. |
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| Richard Henry |
| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 4:21 pm |
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"George Cox" <george_coxanti@spambtinternet.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:41B33AC1.AFD05B3E@spambtinternet.com.invalid...
[quote:365de3895b]Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
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The US govt was offered a deal a few years ago from a major producer in
the
Golden Triangle. For the cost of the opium the producer would guarantee
that
opium was *not* produced in the areas under his control. It would have
cut
production from the Golden Triangle by a third. The US turned down the
offer.
Do you know why?
My guess: law enforcement is big business in the States and it thrives
on drugs. Fewer drugs = more unemployment.
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My guess: cutting one source of supply will do nothing on the demand end.
The missing source will quickly be replaced by another. |
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