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martin
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:49 am
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I've tried googling for it....

wtf is DAFN

thanks
People's Commissar
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:16 pm
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It stands for Dumb Assed F**king Negros. OOW stands for Out Of Wedlock

"martin" <martin_nospam@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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I've tried googling for it....

wtf is DAFN

thanks

People's Commissar
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:16 pm
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It stands for Dumb Assed F**king Negros. OOW stands for Out Of Wedlock

"martin" <martin_nospam@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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I've tried googling for it....

wtf is DAFN

thanks

martin
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:20 pm
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"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in message
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It stands for Dumb Assed F**king Negros.

Very nice!

Thanks for that, it's been worrying me for weeks. I wish he'd stop posting
to s.a

Quote:
OOW stands for Out Of Wedlock

I got that one thanks :)

Cheers for your helpful reply.
martin
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:20 pm
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"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in message
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X-No-Archive: yes

It stands for Dumb Assed F**king Negros.

Very nice!

Thanks for that, it's been worrying me for weeks. I wish he'd stop posting
to s.a

Quote:
OOW stands for Out Of Wedlock

I got that one thanks :)

Cheers for your helpful reply.
Steve Hayes
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:49 am
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On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:49:16 +0000 (UTC), "martin"
<martin_nospam@btinternet.com> wrote:

Quote:
I've tried googling for it....

wtf is DAFN

If you don't know yopu are part of the conspiracy that the conspiracy
theorists that use it use to keep you from knowing that they know about you.

It's also a useful group of letters to inforporate in a spam filter - if it
appears in a subject line, you know the mesage is not worth downloading.


Steve Hayes
hayesmstw@hotmail.com
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
Steve Hayes
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:49 am
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On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:49:16 +0000 (UTC), "martin"
<martin_nospam@btinternet.com> wrote:

Quote:
I've tried googling for it....

wtf is DAFN

If you don't know yopu are part of the conspiracy that the conspiracy
theorists that use it use to keep you from knowing that they know about you.

It's also a useful group of letters to inforporate in a spam filter - if it
appears in a subject line, you know the mesage is not worth downloading.


Steve Hayes
hayesmstw@hotmail.com
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
Nim
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:00 am
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"martin" <martin_nospam@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Very nice!

Thanks for that, it's been worrying me for weeks. I wish he'd stop posting
to s.a

I thought it was a pun on the word "daft." Learn something new every day.
He may post things that enrage the liberals with such language, but on
closer look, he's posting actual statistics. The actual information is not
off topic for s.a.
Quote:

OOW stands for Out Of Wedlock

I got that one thanks Smile

Learn another thing new.
Quote:

Cheers for your helpful reply.

Ditto that.
Quote:

Nim
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:00 am
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"martin" <martin_nospam@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Very nice!

Thanks for that, it's been worrying me for weeks. I wish he'd stop posting
to s.a

I thought it was a pun on the word "daft." Learn something new every day.
He may post things that enrage the liberals with such language, but on
closer look, he's posting actual statistics. The actual information is not
off topic for s.a.
Quote:

OOW stands for Out Of Wedlock

I got that one thanks Smile

Learn another thing new.
Quote:

Cheers for your helpful reply.

Ditto that.
Quote:

Tedd Jacobs
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 7:04 am
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"Nim" wrote...

Quote:
He may post things that enrage the liberals with such language, but on
closer look, he's posting actual statistics. The actual information is not
off topic for s.a.

actually, it is off topic. there is no such thing as "race" and the only reason
he posts it is to incite flame wars between different groups. check his history
and his cross-posts.
Guest
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 8:54 am
People's Commissar wrote:
Quote:

X-No-Archive: yes

It stands for Dumb Assed F**king Negros.

No no no. It'z Delightful_And_Friendly_Negroes
Guest
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 8:54 am
People's Commissar wrote:
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X-No-Archive: yes

It stands for Dumb Assed F**king Negros.

No no no. It'z Delightful_And_Friendly_Negroes
People's Commissar
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:21 pm
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See inside, please

"Tedd Jacobs" <Jacobs@mail.boisestate.edu> wrote in message
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actually, it is off topic. there is no such thing as "race" and the only
reason
he posts it is to incite flame wars between different groups. check his
history
and his cross-posts.

You say there is no such thing as race. I agree - there is HUMAN race.
Others DISagree and they have MDs behind their names. But there are
variations enough to make humans come in breeds. The latest genetics,
across the board on everything, show two ancestral haplotypes - and
everything else seems to fit in with that, even Diamond's info. There are
Africans and NON-Africans. I know this from hands on work - in
epidemiological studies EVERYTHING is separated out for black male, white
male, black female,white female. Whenever others are included, they are
lumped as black versus OTHER. Every single study is done that way.

Now, it doesn't matter if you want to call these breeds or types "races" or
not. There ARE differences and the genetics gang doesn't seem to be giving
a shit whether it's PC or not. Especially along medical lines, these
"races" DO exist. More and more comes out about that every day.

Not sure about the newbies or rarebies - but I'm quite familiar with BIG DON
Make My Day. He gets his stats from gov or from medical journals or news.
Since it's about human behavior - it's anthropology.

Lumpers say there is no such thing as race. Splitters say there are races
of humans.
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People's Commissar
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:21 pm
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See inside, please

"Tedd Jacobs" <Jacobs@mail.boisestate.edu> wrote in message
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Quote:


actually, it is off topic. there is no such thing as "race" and the only
reason
he posts it is to incite flame wars between different groups. check his
history
and his cross-posts.

You say there is no such thing as race. I agree - there is HUMAN race.
Others DISagree and they have MDs behind their names. But there are
variations enough to make humans come in breeds. The latest genetics,
across the board on everything, show two ancestral haplotypes - and
everything else seems to fit in with that, even Diamond's info. There are
Africans and NON-Africans. I know this from hands on work - in
epidemiological studies EVERYTHING is separated out for black male, white
male, black female,white female. Whenever others are included, they are
lumped as black versus OTHER. Every single study is done that way.

Now, it doesn't matter if you want to call these breeds or types "races" or
not. There ARE differences and the genetics gang doesn't seem to be giving
a shit whether it's PC or not. Especially along medical lines, these
"races" DO exist. More and more comes out about that every day.

Not sure about the newbies or rarebies - but I'm quite familiar with BIG DON
Make My Day. He gets his stats from gov or from medical journals or news.
Since it's about human behavior - it's anthropology.

Lumpers say there is no such thing as race. Splitters say there are races
of humans.
Quote:

People's Commissar
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 8:14 pm
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Quote:
Original post on this link is worth reading because of extensive
hyperlinking to orgiginal sources:
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/sarich_miele.htm

Many intellectuals pride themselves on how remote their theorizing is
from mundane reality.

After all, if daily life could provide answers to lofty questions, we
might not need so many intellectuals.

And that subversive thought must be suppressed at all costs!

Consider the topic of race. The trendiest idea among intellectuals is
that Race Does Not Exist - what we at VDARE.COM call "Race Denial."
Last year, a three-night PBS documentary summed up this new orthodoxy
under the title Race: The Power of an Illusion.

That this idea, no matter how trendy, strikes the vast majority of
Americans as self-evidently stupid only heightens its appeal to those
who view themselves as superior because of their ability to juggle
esoterica.

Now Vincent Sarich, Professor Emeritus of Anthropology at Berkeley,
and Frank Miele, senior editor of Skeptic magazine, have stepped in to
this debate with a new book Race: The Reality of Human Differences.
They document overwhelmingly that the weight of scientific knowledge
is on the side of the man-in-the-street's commonsense view of race.

Sarich and Miele demonstrate that all ten of the PBS documentary's
summary statements on the nonexistence of race are W-R-O-N-G. Indeed,
the book brings so much force to bear against the series' assertions
that it begins to look like breaking a butterfly on a wheel. (Or,
considering the mendacity of the PBS offering, like crushing a
cockroach with a cannonball.)

Miele is perhaps the best interviewer of scientists in the business.
(Here's my review of his book-length interview on IQ with Arthur
Jensen, and here's his recent collection of interviews with top names
like Dawkins, Edward O. Wilson, and Charles Murray). He's also a dog
enthusiast, and his deep knowledge of breeds-which are, in effect,
artificially selected races-adds perspective to Race.

Sarich won't make himself popular with the politically correct at
Berkeley, but he is a hard man to intimidate. A hawk nose and piercing
eyes make him look like the world's tallest ayatollah. Approaching 70,
he still has the dimensions of an NBA quick forward at 6'6" and a
muscular 215 pounds. In fact, he holds the world record for his age
group in the small sport of indoor rowing. Being the rare scientist
who is also an enthusiastic fan of spectator sports makes Sarich far
more aware of racial differences than his colleagues, who tend to only
pay attention to unthreatening subjects for which they can win grants
from the government or big foundations.

Writing in the New York Times in 1989, the author of The Selfish Gene,
Richard Dawkins, praised "the enormously important work of the
American biochemist Vincent Sarich." As a graduate student back in
1967, Sarich famously teamed with Allan C. Wilson to launch the use of
the "molecular clock," which led to a revolution in evolution studies.
At a time when experts on fossils believed that proto-humans had
diverged from our closest ape relatives around 25 million years ago,
Sarich and Wilson estimated, by counting the number of mutations that
distinguished humans from chimpanzees and gorillas in a single serum
protein, that our ancestors had broken away only about five million
years ago.

This estimate was greeted with howls of protest from famous
paleontologists. But it has stood up well. Their molecular clock
technique has become fundamental to both physical anthropology and
population genetics.

The late Race-Denier-In-Chief, Stephen Jay Gould, once insisted we
chant along with him, like Dorothy trying to get home from Oz,

"Say it five times before breakfast tomorrow: . Human equality is a
contingent fact of history."

As a staunch Darwinist, however, Sarich understands that natural
selection requires hereditary inequalities. Sarich and Miele write,

"Simply stated, the case for race hinges on recognition of the fact
that genetic variation in traits that affect performance and
ultimately survival is the fuel on which the evolutionary process
runs."

Sarich became the rare physical anthropologist expert on both genes
and bones. So, when he saw PBS proclaim, "Despite surface differences,
we are among the most similar of all species," he dusted off the
measurements of 2,500 human skulls from 29 different racial groups and
compared them to 347 chimpanzee skulls from the two separate species
of chimp (the common chimp and the bonobo). He discovered that the
dissimilarity in head and face measurements between these species of
chimp was less than half that found between the two most
morphologically dissimilar human racial groups in the sample. (They
were the narrow-headed Taita of Kenya and the wide-faced Buriat of
Siberia).

Sarich concludes:

"I am not aware of any other mammalian species where the constituent
races are as strongly marked as they are in ours. except those few
races heavily modified by recent human selection; in particular,
dogs."


In response to PBS's claim that, "Race is a modern idea. Ancient
societies did not divide people according to physical differences.,"
Miele writes a definitive chapter showing,



"The art of the ancient civilizations of Egypt, Greece, Rome, India,
and China, and the Islamic civilization from AD 700 to 1400 shows that
these societies classified the various peoples they encountered into
broad racial groups. They sorted them based upon the same set of
characteristics-skin color, hair form, and head shape-allegedly
constructed by Europeans when they invented 'race' to justify
colonialism and white supremacy."

My main criticism of Race: The Reality of Human Differences: it skimps
on offering a conceptual framework for what exactly race is. Rejecting
the straw man argument that the existence of race would require a race
for everyone and everyone in his race, Sarich and Miele call races
"fuzzy sets." They write,

"Human races are not, and never were, distinct, mutually exclusive,
Platonic entities into which every living person, unearthed skull, or
set of bones could be pigeonholed."

This is a lot better than the obscurantism of the Race Deniers. But
even better would be a robust, scaleable definition that coincides
with original definition of race as a "lineage."

I have suggested that a racial group is most usefully thought of as "a
partly inbred extended family." (My full defense of this idea found
here.) In contrast, an ethnic group would be "a population that shares
traits, such as language, religion, and cuisine, that are frequently,
but not necessarily, passed down within biological families." These
definitions make clear why disentangling nature (race) and nurture
(ethnicity) is so difficult.

Will Race: The Reality of Human Differences change the minds of the
prominent advocates of the Race Does Not Exist theory?

No-because they won't even read it. One striking difference between
the two schools is that Race Realists pore over the writings of the
social constructionists and other Race Deniers. But the Race Deniers
themselves prefer to stay ignorant of all troubling facts.

And amazingly, the Race Deniers have succeeded in imposing this taboo,
not merely upon the usual suspects like PBS, but also, increasingly,
upon Conservative Establishment pundits too.

Breaking this taboo terrorism is what VDARE.COM is for!

[Steve Sailer [email him], is founder of the Human Biodiversity
Institute and movie critic for The American Conservative. His website
www.iSteve.com features site-exclusive commentaries.]


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"Tedd Jacobs" <Jacobs@mail.boisestate.edu> wrote in message
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"Nim" wrote...

He may post things that enrage the liberals with such language, but on
closer look, he's posting actual statistics. The actual information is
not
off topic for s.a.

actually, it is off topic. there is no such thing as "race" and the only
reason
he posts it is to incite flame wars between different groups. check his
history
and his cross-posts.

 
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