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Bill Sloman...
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:42 am
 
On Nov 8, 10:57 am, "Nial Stewart"
<nial*REMOVE_TH... at (no spam) nialstewartdevelopments.co.uk> wrote:
[quote]And Exxon-Mobil and its friends have rather more money to spend on
counter-propaganda than the world's climatologists. I'm sorry that
they haven't chosen to spend any of it with you - perhaps you need to
raise your game a little.

References?

What about the oil companies supporting the Warmists?

From the Climategate emails.....

http://www.assassinationscience.com/climategate/1/FOIA/mail/096281826...

"Had a very good meeting with Shell yesterday. Only a minor part of the
agenda, but I expect they will accept an invitation to act as a strategic
partner and will contribute to a studentship fund though under certain
conditions.""I'm talking to Shell International's climate change team but this approach
will do equally for the new foundation as it's only one step or so off
Shell's equivalent of a board level. I do know a little about the Fdn and
what kind of projects they are looking for. It could be relevant for the
new building, incidentally, though opinions are mixed as to whether it's
within the remit. "Shell are a 'strategic partner', are funding a studenship _fund_
and possibly a
building.Doesn't sound like they are in bed with the 'realists' to me.Nial.
[/quote]
Shell - like BP - saw the writing on the wall a few years ago, and are
now putting money into research climate-neutral energy sources, rather
than denialist propaganda. The short-term payoff will obviously be
lower, but in the longer term it is obviously a better investment.

http://www.heatisonline.org/contentserver/objecthandlers/index.cfm?ID=5946&Method=Full&PageCall=&Title=CERES%3A%20ExxonMobil%20Shareholders%20Relying%20on%20Fumes

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
Bill Sloman...
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:50 am
 
On Nov 8, 11:06 am, Frithiof Andreas Jensen <f... at (no spam) die-spammer-
die.karoshi.dk> wrote:
[quote]Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:

Tim Williams wrote:

"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nos... at (no spam) nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:G4KdnVLQGo-f3ErRnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d at (no spam) giganews.com...

Tim, in 1-2 years you could get a computer about twice as good as
yours for a half price of yours. But, you didn't sit on your matress
with cash and wait. Same idea applies to everything else.

Don't tell me what I don't do.

This machine contains parts as old as 2001.

So, you bought your computer as early as in 2001 instead of sitting on
cash and waiting till the computers will be better and cheaper. That's
exactly the point about deflation.

Thats exactly the problem with the economists pet theory about
"Deflation is the baddest bad, like ever, thing": It does not actually
work according to "theory" In Real Life!

I, everybody, know damn well that the design software, the computer, the
dishwasher - whatever technology I/they am/are about to invest in can be
had with twice the performance at probably half the price two-three
years into the future and yet I/they buy it now even though it would be
more "rational" to wait two years, hoard the cash, and get a "better deal".

Why? Because I/we need it NOW, not in Two Years!

Macro Economics is the same kind of "science" as Scientology is: A way
to exchange impressively-sounding babble for a steady cash flow and
advisory positions within government (which is in the same line of
business, so Keynesian theorists are a perfect fit)!!!
[/quote]
In fact Keynesian economists are a litle too much in touch with
reality to fit well with governments - it takes a monetarist- or a
Chicago School economist to produce the kind of advice that right-wing
governments want to hear. Chicago School economists can't predict the
economy any better than a flipped coin, but their advice is always
what the fat cats want to hear. Read Naomi Klein's "The Shock
Doctrine" for examples of their work.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
Nial Stewart...
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:57 am
 
[quote]And Exxon-Mobil and its friends have rather more money to spend on
counter-propaganda than the world's climatologists. I'm sorry that
they haven't chosen to spend any of it with you - perhaps you need to
raise your game a little.
[/quote]

References?

What about the oil companies supporting the Warmists?

From the Climategate emails.....

http://www.assassinationscience.com/climategate/1/FOIA/mail/0962818260.txt

"Had a very good meeting with Shell yesterday. Only a minor part of the
agenda, but I expect they will accept an invitation to act as a strategic
partner and will contribute to a studentship fund though under certain
conditions.""I'm talking to Shell International's climate change team but this approach
will do equally for the new foundation as it's only one step or so off
Shell's equivalent of a board level. I do know a little about the Fdn and
what kind of projects they are looking for. It could be relevant for the
new building, incidentally, though opinions are mixed as to whether it's
within the remit. "Shell are a 'strategic partner', are funding a studenship _fund_ andpossibly a
building.Doesn't sound like they are in bed with the 'realists' to me.Nial.
 
Frithiof Andreas Jensen...
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:06 am
 
Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
[quote]

Tim Williams wrote:

"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam at (no spam) nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:G4KdnVLQGo-f3ErRnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d at (no spam) giganews.com...

Tim, in 1-2 years you could get a computer about twice as good as
yours for a half price of yours. But, you didn't sit on your matress
with cash and wait. Same idea applies to everything else.


Don't tell me what I don't do.

This machine contains parts as old as 2001.

So, you bought your computer as early as in 2001 instead of sitting on
cash and waiting till the computers will be better and cheaper. That's
exactly the point about deflation.
[/quote]
Thats exactly the problem with the economists pet theory about
"Deflation is the baddest bad, like ever, thing": It does not actually
work according to "theory" In Real Life!

I, everybody, know damn well that the design software, the computer, the
dishwasher - whatever technology I/they am/are about to invest in can be
had with twice the performance at probably half the price two-three
years into the future and yet I/they buy it now even though it would be
more "rational" to wait two years, hoard the cash, and get a "better deal".

Why? Because I/we need it NOW, not in Two Years!

Macro Economics is the same kind of "science" as Scientology is: A way
to exchange impressively-sounding babble for a steady cash flow and
advisory positions within government (which is in the same line of
business, so Keynesian theorists are a perfect fit)!!!
 
George Orr...
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:02 am
 
On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:08:22 -0800 (PST), Greegor <greegor47 at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:

[quote]Will the liberal kooks and global warming religionists
be happy if 3/4 of the world population dies of disease?

Would they rather see the population reduced to 10% ?
[/quote]

The Lathe of Heaven -by Ursula K. LeGuin
 
Nial Stewart...
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:20 am
 
[quote]Shell - like BP - saw the writing on the wall a few years ago, and are
now putting money into research climate-neutral energy sources, rather
than denialist propaganda.
[/quote]

Yes I know.

You'll notice that was dated 2000, so they've been subsidising the warmists
for >= 10 years.

You still haven't come up with any evidence of "BIG OIL" subsisising Realists.


Nial.
 
Greegor...
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:10 am
 
G > Will the liberal kooks and global warming religionists
G > be happy if 3/4 of the world population dies of disease?

G > Would they rather see the population reduced to 10% ?

JT > As long as they're "progressive" deaths ;-)

GO > The Lathe of Heaven -by Ursula K. LeGuin

Lots of eco terrorist kooks seem to hate humanity itself.

http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/movie/decade/1980-1989/lathe-of-heaven/

Haber, using his dream-enhancement technology, asks George to have an
effective dream about removing pollution. George does, but ends up
removing all clouds, leaving the earth ever increasingly hot and dry.
Haber forces George to dream of a way to cure overpopulation – this
results in a plague that kills of 75% of the world’s population. Haber
forces George to dream of peace on earth which results in an alien
invasion that unites humanity but which can lead to the destruction of
the earth itself.
 
Les Cargill...
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:02 pm
 
Clifford Heath wrote:
[quote]Tim Williams wrote:
It's kind of curious that people buy computers at all, since the
deflation rate is around 50%.

It's kinda curious that people buy fresh fruit at all, since the deflation
rate is around 50% *per week*.
[/quote]
It's even worse when you eat the fruit. Look what
that does to it.

--
Les Cargill
 
Robert Baer...
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:44 am
 
Les Cargill wrote:
[quote]Clifford Heath wrote:
Tim Williams wrote:
It's kind of curious that people buy computers at all, since the
deflation rate is around 50%.

It's kinda curious that people buy fresh fruit at all, since the
deflation
rate is around 50% *per week*.

It's even worse when you eat the fruit. Look what
that does to it.

--
Les Cargill
yeah....all those BITS around...[/quote]
 
Bill Sloman...
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:50 am
 
On Nov 10, 3:19 pm, George Orr <George
O... at (no spam) thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 02:31:04 -0800 (PST),BillSloman

bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
That might be the way the film is framed. The book has him firmly
rooted in a rather mutable reality.

  So is the movie, idiot.  Until the end, when we all see what was really
the dream.

  You are as lost as anyone can be, boy.
[/quote]
Your enthusiasm for taking the film as the definitive version is
somewhat bizarre. The novel preceded the film, and has to be seen as
the best reflection of Ursula le Guin's intentions.

I can't see what the film-maker thought that they were adding to the
story by making it all a dream - in any event the novel is a fantasy,
like every other artistic creation, and its meaning isn't changed by
framing it as a dream. The author put in a lot of work making her
various versions of Seattle real to the reader. The basic idea is
nonsense - but interesting nonsense - and it remains interesting no
matter how it is framed.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
George Orr...
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:19 am
 
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 02:31:04 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:

[quote]That might be the way the film is framed. The book has him firmly
rooted in a rather mutable reality.
[/quote]

So is the movie, idiot. Until the end, when we all see what was really
the dream.

You are as lost as anyone can be, boy.
 
UltimatePatriot...
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:24 pm
 
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:45:45 +0000, Pomegranate Bastard
<pommyB at (no spam) dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

[quote]A pillar of society.
[/quote]
Compared to you... easily so.
 
Pomegranate Bastard...
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:19 am
 
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:24:44 -0800, UltimatePatriot
<UltimatePatriot at (no spam) thebestcountry.org> wrote:

[quote]On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:45:45 +0000, Pomegranate Bastard
pommyB at (no spam) dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

A pillar of society.

Compared to you... easily so.
That's debatable, but what about the other things.[/quote]

Do you have a wife and kids? Are you a religious man?
 
 
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