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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:01 pm
 
Texas A&M Professor Misrepresents
U.S. Emissions During Global Warming Debate

Global warming alarmist Andy Dessler, a professor at Texas A&M
University, was caught misrepresenting U.S. carbon dioxide data during
a November 9 Public Radio International debate with Heartland
Institute Senior Fellow James M. Taylor.

After Taylor stated that U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have declined
since the year 2000, Dessler aggressively criticized Taylor, asserting
that Taylor was either deliberately spreading misinformation or had
absolutely no knowledge of the facts. Dessler claimed, instead, that
U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have been skyrocketing in recent years.

Given a chance to respond, Taylor pointed to EPA data showing a
decline in U.S. carbon dioxide emissions since the year 2000, and
invited listeners to look up the data for themselves. Dessler again
aggressively criticized Taylor, saying U.S. carbon dioxide emissions
are rising dramatically.

According to EPA data, U.S. carbon dioxide emissions totaled 5,977
teragrams in 2000. As of 2008, emissions had fallen to 5,921
teragrams, according to EPA figures. Emissions fell by another 7
percent in 2009, according to the U.S. Energy Information
Administration (official EPA data for the year 2009 have yet to be
released). According to EIA, U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have fallen
an average of roughly 1 percent per year since the year 2000.

“It was not surprising, given his prior misrepresentations about
global warming, that Andy Dessler would cavalierly assert that U.S.
carbon dioxide emissions are skyrocketing when in fact they are
declining. Activists such as Dessler frequently lie about the facts
when they think nobody will call them on it. What was surprising was
that Dessler would publicly and aggressively accuse me of lying about
the data when he either knew that I was right or was himself ignorant
of these critically important facts,” Taylor explained.

“When I said U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have declined since the
year 2000, I spoke the truth, whether Dessler liked the truth or not,”
said Taylor. “Dessler owes me an apology after falsely and repeatedly
accusing me, in front of a national audience, of lying about the
data.”

“Dessler had already lost all credibility among knowledgeable
listeners when he asserted that only about 10 climate scientists in
the world disagreed with his alarmist global warming assertions. On
that count, however, we can give him the benefit of the doubt and
assume he simply lacks the diligence to read the scientific
literature,” said Taylor.
 
Unum...
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:43 am
 
On 11/9/2010 10:01 PM, Last Post wrote:

Why don't you just supply the link Lennie?

[quote]
Texas A&M Professor Misrepresents
U.S. Emissions During Global Warming Debate

Global warming alarmist Andy Dessler, a professor at Texas A&M
University, was caught misrepresenting U.S. carbon dioxide data during
a November 9 Public Radio International debate with Heartland
Institute Senior Fellow James M. Taylor.

After Taylor stated that U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have declined
since the year 2000, Dessler aggressively criticized Taylor, asserting
that Taylor was either deliberately spreading misinformation or had
absolutely no knowledge of the facts. Dessler claimed, instead, that
U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have been skyrocketing in recent years.

Given a chance to respond, Taylor pointed to EPA data showing a
decline in U.S. carbon dioxide emissions since the year 2000, and
invited listeners to look up the data for themselves. Dessler again
aggressively criticized Taylor, saying U.S. carbon dioxide emissions
are rising dramatically.
[/quote]
Well, if you actually do look up the data you can see that the year 2000
was cherry-picked due to a spike in CO2 emissions, a frequent denialist
tactic. CO2 emissions rose through the past 2 decades until the economic
collapse of 2008 and huge ramp-up in fuel costs that year. So if you look
at that one year 2000 and compare it to what we currently emit now that
the economy is in the toilet I guess you can say it is less, but over-all
there was an increase.

http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0521-us_carbon_dioxide_emissions.html

This doesn't take into account the offshoring of US emissions now that
the manufacturing base has been hollowed out. How else would China have
now come to be the topmost polluter?
 
John Galt...
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:51 am
 
On 11/09/2010 11:43 PM, Unum wrote:
[quote]On 11/9/2010 10:01 PM, Last Post wrote:

Why don't you just supply the link Lennie?


Texas A&M Professor Misrepresents
U.S. Emissions During Global Warming Debate

Global warming alarmist Andy Dessler, a professor at Texas A&M
University, was caught misrepresenting U.S. carbon dioxide data during
a November 9 Public Radio International debate with Heartland
Institute Senior Fellow James M. Taylor.

After Taylor stated that U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have declined
since the year 2000, Dessler aggressively criticized Taylor, asserting
that Taylor was either deliberately spreading misinformation or had
absolutely no knowledge of the facts. Dessler claimed, instead, that
U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have been skyrocketing in recent years.

Given a chance to respond, Taylor pointed to EPA data showing a
decline in U.S. carbon dioxide emissions since the year 2000, and
invited listeners to look up the data for themselves. Dessler again
aggressively criticized Taylor, saying U.S. carbon dioxide emissions
are rising dramatically.

Well, if you actually do look up the data you can see that the year 2000
was cherry-picked due to a spike in CO2 emissions, a frequent denialist
tactic.
[/quote]
So, that would mean the proper refutation that should have used was to
note precisely what you stated, rather than make criticize Taylor.
Sounds like these guys got into a pissing contest that Dessler lost
(since he's now begging for an apology) when all he really had to say
was "ah, yes, but 2000 was a statistical outlier; if we use 1999.......)

CO2 emissions rose through the past 2 decades until the economic
[quote]collapse of 2008 and huge ramp-up in fuel costs that year. So if you look
at that one year 2000 and compare it to what we currently emit now that
the economy is in the toilet I guess you can say it is less, but over-all
there was an increase.

http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0521-us_carbon_dioxide_emissions.html

This doesn't take into account the offshoring of US emissions now that
the manufacturing base has been hollowed out. How else would China have
now come to be the topmost polluter?
[/quote]
It was been has consistently shows that CO2 emission levels are
correlated with population size and standard of living. The recent
recession-related pullback in US emissions is yet more data backing up
that correlation.

I doubt if the shift in manufacturing is a significant percentage of the
Chinese increase. This is tied to the ongoing Chinese exodus from
subsistence farming to an upwardly mobile life in the cities.

JG
 
erschroedinger at (no spam) gmail.com...
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:08 am
 
On Nov 9, 11:01 pm, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
[quote]Texas A&M Professor Misrepresents
U.S. Emissions During Global Warming Debate

Global warming alarmist Andy Dessler, a professor at Texas A&M
University, was caught misrepresenting U.S. carbon dioxide data during
a November 9 Public Radio International debate with Heartland
Institute Senior Fellow James M. Taylor.

After Taylor stated that U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have declined
since the year 2000, Dessler aggressively criticized Taylor, asserting
that Taylor was either deliberately spreading misinformation or had
absolutely no knowledge of the facts. Dessler claimed, instead, that
U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have been skyrocketing in recent years.

Given a chance to respond, Taylor pointed to EPA data showing a
decline in U.S. carbon dioxide emissions since the year 2000, and
invited listeners to look up the data for themselves. Dessler again
aggressively criticized Taylor, saying U.S. carbon dioxide emissions
are rising dramatically.

According to EPA data, U.S. carbon dioxide emissions totaled 5,977
teragrams in 2000. As of 2008, emissions had fallen to 5,921
teragrams, according to EPA figures. Emissions fell by another 7
percent in 2009, according to the U.S. Energy Information
Administration (official EPA data for the year 2009 have yet to be
released). According to EIA, U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have fallen
an average of roughly 1 percent per year since the year 2000.

“It was not surprising, given his prior misrepresentations about
global warming, that Andy Dessler would cavalierly assert that U.S.
carbon dioxide emissions are skyrocketing when in fact they are
declining. Activists such as Dessler frequently lie about the facts
when they think nobody will call them on it. What was surprising was
that Dessler would publicly and aggressively accuse me of lying about
the data when he either knew that I was right or was himself ignorant
of these critically important facts,” Taylor explained.

“When I said U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have declined since the
year 2000, I spoke the truth, whether Dessler liked the truth or not,”
said Taylor. “Dessler owes me an apology after falsely and repeatedly
accusing me, in front of a national audience, of lying about the
data.”

“Dessler had already lost all credibility among knowledgeable
listeners when he asserted that only about 10 climate scientists in
the world disagreed with his alarmist global warming assertions.
[/quote]
Sounds like 10 is too many.


[quote]On
that count, however, we can give him the benefit of the doubt and
assume he simply lacks the diligence to read the scientific
literature,” said Taylor.
[/quote]
So the US can decrease CO2 emissions without disaster? So using
renewables can have an effect? Thanks for making the points for us.
 
tunderbar...
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:23 am
 
On Nov 10, 10:08 am, "erschroedin... at (no spam) gmail.com"
<erschroedin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 9, 11:01 pm, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:





Texas A&M Professor Misrepresents
U.S. Emissions During Global Warming Debate

Global warming alarmist Andy Dessler, a professor at Texas A&M
University, was caught misrepresenting U.S. carbon dioxide data during
a November 9 Public Radio International debate with Heartland
Institute Senior Fellow James M. Taylor.

After Taylor stated that U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have declined
since the year 2000, Dessler aggressively criticized Taylor, asserting
that Taylor was either deliberately spreading misinformation or had
absolutely no knowledge of the facts. Dessler claimed, instead, that
U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have been skyrocketing in recent years.

Given a chance to respond, Taylor pointed to EPA data showing a
decline in U.S. carbon dioxide emissions since the year 2000, and
invited listeners to look up the data for themselves. Dessler again
aggressively criticized Taylor, saying U.S. carbon dioxide emissions
are rising dramatically.

According to EPA data, U.S. carbon dioxide emissions totaled 5,977
teragrams in 2000. As of 2008, emissions had fallen to 5,921
teragrams, according to EPA figures. Emissions fell by another 7
percent in 2009, according to the U.S. Energy Information
Administration (official EPA data for the year 2009 have yet to be
released). According to EIA, U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have fallen
an average of roughly 1 percent per year since the year 2000.

“It was not surprising, given his prior misrepresentations about
global warming, that Andy Dessler would cavalierly assert that U.S.
carbon dioxide emissions are skyrocketing when in fact they are
declining. Activists such as Dessler frequently lie about the facts
when they think nobody will call them on it. What was surprising was
that Dessler would publicly and aggressively accuse me of lying about
the data when he either knew that I was right or was himself ignorant
of these critically important facts,” Taylor explained.

“When I said U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have declined since the
year 2000, I spoke the truth, whether Dessler liked the truth or not,”
said Taylor. “Dessler owes me an apology after falsely and repeatedly
accusing me, in front of a national audience, of lying about the
data.”

“Dessler had already lost all credibility among knowledgeable
listeners when he asserted that only about 10 climate scientists in
the world disagreed with his alarmist global warming assertions.

Sounds like 10 is too many.

On
that count, however, we can give him the benefit of the doubt and
assume he simply lacks the diligence to read the scientific
literature,” said Taylor.

So the US can decrease CO2 emissions without disaster?  So using
renewables can have an effect?  Thanks for making the points for us.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
No. The economy tanked. Has very little, if anything to do with
renewables.
 
 
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