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| Anti- Corporation |
 Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 11:27 am |
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Watching an old TwilightZone they were hanging a guy for killing a kid
while drunk (on accident) (un-intended outcome). They let go the
gallows and the rope broke, sparing the man's life. Was justice served
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| lallous |
| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 7:02 am |
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The question is what caused the rope to break?
Which leads to asking, was it his chance?
Then what is chance?
Probably the last question has been answered over and over by this NG.
For me, the "justice" was served that day.
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Elias
"Anti- Corporation" <anticorporation@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Quote: Watching an old TwilightZone they were hanging a guy for killing a kid
while drunk (on accident) (un-intended outcome). They let go the
gallows and the rope broke, sparing the man's life. Was justice served
that day?
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| Anti- Corporation |
| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 10:49 am |
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Lallus writes- The question is what caused the rope to break? Which
leads to asking, was it his chance? Then what is chance?"
No, the rope broke, in the scene, there was no explantion (no apparent
cause), in fact, it was stated that the rope "was a brand new five
strand hemp rope". Regardless, the broken rope was the outcome
(un-intended).
The crowd then discussed whether they should try to hang the guy
again. Why? because the expected outcome was not realized, this would
infer that 'justice' is dependent upon 'outcome'. However, the
un-expected outcome still resulted in 'justice', everyone was ok with
not hanging the guy again. This would infer that 'justice' is also the
outcome of 'morality' shaped by a culture.
I do not think anyone would want to leave justice to 'chance', that
would be un-explained nature. Men seek to organize nature and
understand it for their own benefit, that is, they despise an order in
which they can not control the outcome. To them, this can not be
justice. Yet, the people in the scene appeared to be happy that the
outcome of an un-explained nature was equivalent to 'justice'. That
they had taken control of the chain of cause and effect to the best of
their ability to exact a certain and specific outcome, yet, it was not
realized.
If they were to re-hang the guy, it would no longer be about 'oiginal
justice', it would be about an experiment in the area of cause and
effect a to how it is applied to ropes around mens' necks, right? It
might be about attempting to be sucessful in hanging a man, but, that
man alreay served his punishment albeit the conclusion was just not the
expected one. So, would this mean that justice is about reaching a
certain outcome, or, is about many things?
We feel robbed if we do not receive our expected outcome, but,
wouldn't this type of certainty be an assumption that we know all to
begin with in order to achieve 100% certainty with our actions? Killing
other men is just an experiment, nothing to do with justice. |
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| Amananon |
| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 3:47 pm |
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anticorporation@webtv.net (Anti- Corporation) wrote in message news:<24074-3FF490DA-412@storefull-2277.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Quote: Watching an old TwilightZone they were hanging a guy for killing a kid
while drunk (on accident) (un-intended outcome). They let go the
gallows and the rope broke, sparing the man's life. Was justice served
that day?
To answer: justice was not served, but Justice was. (That is,
society's legal version was cheated, but in a sense of fairness the
man fared well. We might also say that the scare was suitable
punishment for his indiscretion.) |
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| Amananon |
| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 9:18 pm |
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"lallous" <lallous@lgwm.org> wrote in message news:<bt3n0v$2uns5$1@ID-161723.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Quote: The question is what caused the rope to break?
A weak rope
Quote: Which leads to asking, was it his chance?
It was his weight I think.
Quote: Then what is chance?
If someone were to gamble on a rope breaking or not breaking
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Probably the last question has been answered over and over by this NG.
For me, the "justice" was served that day.
My answer: justice was not served, but Justice was served (note capitalization).
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Elias
"Anti- Corporation" <anticorporation@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Watching an old TwilightZone they were hanging a guy for killing a kid
while drunk (on accident) (un-intended outcome). They let go the
gallows and the rope broke, sparing the man's life. Was justice served
that day?
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