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William Mook...
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:57 pm
 
I have developed a system that masses 600+ tonnes and is lofted into
orbit by a reusable vehicle derived from our experience with the
External Tank only.

The satellite consists of a 5.2 km diameter inflatable concentrator.
This concentrator focuses sunlight on to a 125 m diameter CPV/Emitter
array. This array beams IR laser energy at 900 nm to 8,000 receivers
across the visible face of the Earth. Each beam generates 1.25 MW at
the 22 m diameter receiver using silicon within a water filled lens
array. A total of 10,000 MW.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35439593/Solar-Power-Satellite-GEO

At $0.042 per kWh each satellite generates $300 million per month in
revenues. Four satellites, including the launcher fleet and
operations
to place four satellites cost less than $14.4 billion - the annual
income of four satellites on GEO.

Multiple RS-68 pump sets at the base of each ET derived airframe feed
an aerospike engine at the base of each airframe - which work
together
in groups of 7 to create a multi-stage launcher that places the
satellite on orbit.

The satellite deploys on LEO and uses solar powered ion engines -
which give it 30 years of station keeping capability - to add 4.33
km/
sec to its velocity to take up an orbit at GEO. There the station
beams power to 8,000 stationary receivers across the visible face of
the Earth.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31261680/Etdhlrlv-Addendum
http://www.scribd.com/doc/30943696/ETDHLRLV
 
Jim Davis...
Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:33 am
 
William Mook wrote:

[quote]I have developed a system that masses 600+ tonnes and is lofted
into orbit by a reusable vehicle derived from our experience
with the External Tank only.
[/quote]
What kind of reception did it receive when you presented it at this
year's International Space Development Conference/Space Investment
Summit in Chicago this past May? They had a two day Space Solar Power
Symposium this year.

Jim Davis
 
William Mook...
Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:47 am
 
On Aug 7, 2:33 am, Jim Davis <jimdav... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote]William Mook wrote:
I have developed a system that masses 600+ tonnes and is lofted
into orbit by a reusable vehicle derived from our experience
with the External Tank only.

What kind of reception did it receive when you presented it at this
year's International Space Development Conference/Space Investment
Summit in Chicago this past May? They had a two day Space Solar Power
Symposium this year.

Jim Davis
[/quote]
I didn't present.
 
Jim Davis...
Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:59 am
 
William Mook wrote:

[quote]What kind of reception did it receive when you presented it at
this year's International Space Development Conference/Space
Investment Summit in Chicago this past May? They had a two day
Space Solar Power Symposium this year.

I didn't present.
[/quote]
Any particular reason why not? Surely you would have received much
more useful feedback there than you could expect here?

Jim Davis
 
Brad Guth...
Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:08 pm
 
On Aug 7, 9:59 am, Jim Davis <jimdav... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote]William Mook wrote:
What kind of reception did it receive when you presented it at
this year's International Space Development Conference/Space
Investment Summit in Chicago this past May? They had a two day
Space Solar Power Symposium this year.
I didn't present.

Any particular reason why not? Surely you would have received much
more useful feedback there than you could expect here?

Jim Davis
[/quote]
Mook is only a good talker, not a team doer or much less an actual
leader.

His feedback needs are more intended as mind teasers and diversions
than anything else. If I were running NASA/DARPA, I'm not sure if I
could safely fit William Mook into any one of our think tanks, because
he'd always insist upon running the whole show and doing everything
extremely large.

~ BG
 
Brad Guth...
Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:12 pm
 
On Aug 7, 3:42 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
<mooregr_delet3t... at (no spam) greenms.com> wrote:
[quote]William Mook wrote:
I have developed a system that masses 600+ tonnes and is lofted into
orbit by a reusable vehicle derived from our experience with the
External Tank only.

Really?  Where is the hardware?

Oh that's right. That's "I've designed on paper."

We've been done this road before Mook.  Bend metal, get someone to bend
metal or go away.

--
Greg Moore
Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.
[/quote]
I didn't know this Usenet/newsgroup was a certified shop-class for fly-
by-rocket expertise. Where's your better rocket or satellite of bent
metal?

~ BG
 
American...
Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:25 pm
 
On Aug 7, 7:44 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
<mooregr_delet3t... at (no spam) greenms.com> wrote:
[quote]Brad Guth wrote:
On Aug 7, 3:42 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
mooregr_delet3t... at (no spam) greenms.com> wrote:
William Mook wrote:
I have developed a system that masses 600+ tonnes and is lofted into
orbit by a reusable vehicle derived from our experience with the
External Tank only.

Really? Where is the hardware?

Oh that's right. That's "I've designed on paper."

We've been done this road before Mook. Bend metal, get someone to
bend metal or go away.

--
Greg Moore
Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.

I didn't know this Usenet/newsgroup was a certified shop-class for
fly- by-rocket expertise.  Where's your better rocket or satellite of
bent metal?

When I claim to have developed one, I'll be more than willing to show it.
Notice, I don't make those claims.

There have been others here who HAVE made those claims and some have
actually bent metal.

Mook simply wears out keyboards.

 ~ BG

--
Greg Moore
Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.
[/quote]
I've done it, actually bent steel and aluminum on the huge Chicago-
type metal presses in Houston at (no spam) Rawson Koenig, Inc, and
changed dies, unjammed the punch/cutter of the mighty Salvagnini:

http://www.salvagnini.com

After getting one of these beasts aloft, how far would one or more
of these kinds actually progress towards mass producing
after an NEO'd refiner, or orbitally-based fabrication facility...

(Guess I'll have to talk to somebody at U.S.Steel... )

American

"All for one, one for all" - Dumas (1802 - 1870)
 
Fred J. McCall...
Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:45 pm
 
William Mook <mokmedical at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]On Aug 7, 2:33 am, Jim Davis <jimdav... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
William Mook wrote:
I have developed a system that masses 600+ tonnes and is lofted
into orbit by a reusable vehicle derived from our experience
with the External Tank only.

What kind of reception did it receive when you presented it at this
year's International Space Development Conference/Space Investment
Summit in Chicago this past May? They had a two day Space Solar Power
Symposium this year.


I didn't present.

[/quote]
Anyone surprised?

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
 
Greg D. Moore (Strider)...
Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:42 pm
 
William Mook wrote:
[quote]I have developed a system that masses 600+ tonnes and is lofted into
orbit by a reusable vehicle derived from our experience with the
External Tank only.

[/quote]
Really? Where is the hardware?

Oh that's right. That's "I've designed on paper."

We've been done this road before Mook. Bend metal, get someone to bend
metal or go away.

--
Greg Moore
Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.
 
Greg D. Moore (Strider)...
Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:44 pm
 
Brad Guth wrote:
[quote]On Aug 7, 3:42 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
mooregr_delet3t... at (no spam) greenms.com> wrote:
William Mook wrote:
I have developed a system that masses 600+ tonnes and is lofted into
orbit by a reusable vehicle derived from our experience with the
External Tank only.

Really? Where is the hardware?

Oh that's right. That's "I've designed on paper."

We've been done this road before Mook. Bend metal, get someone to
bend metal or go away.

--
Greg Moore
Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.

I didn't know this Usenet/newsgroup was a certified shop-class for
fly- by-rocket expertise. Where's your better rocket or satellite of
bent metal?

[/quote]
When I claim to have developed one, I'll be more than willing to show it.
Notice, I don't make those claims.

There have been others here who HAVE made those claims and some have
actually bent metal.

Mook simply wears out keyboards.


[quote]~ BG
[/quote]
--
Greg Moore
Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.
 
John M...
Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:20 pm
 
"William Mook" <mokmedical at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8721bbd7-246d-4764-a195-6053feea0d06 at (no spam) d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
[quote]I have developed a system that masses 600+ tonnes and is lofted into
orbit by a reusable vehicle derived from our experience with the
External Tank only.
[/quote]

Instead of building a new heavy-lift, what needs to be
researched is a solar powered laser power system.
Then the mile size pv satellites wouldn't be needed, just
a mirror a few hundred feet across. Also the mirror could
be in geo, then laser to the power to low orbit relay stations
that microwave it to the ground in the usual way.


"Solar light pumped laser and cooling method"

"Moreover, the solar light pumped laser is capable of being light weighted
and efficiently reducing an entropy of the renewable energy."
http://www.freshpatents.com/Solar-light-pumped-laser-and-cooling-method--of-solar-light-pumped-laser-dt20080918ptan20080225912.php



[quote]
The satellite consists of a 5.2 km diameter inflatable concentrator.
This concentrator focuses sunlight on to a 125 m diameter CPV/Emitter
array. This array beams IR laser energy at 900 nm to 8,000 receivers
across the visible face of the Earth. Each beam generates 1.25 MW at
the 22 m diameter receiver using silicon within a water filled lens
array. A total of 10,000 MW.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35439593/Solar-Power-Satellite-GEO

At $0.042 per kWh each satellite generates $300 million per month in
revenues. Four satellites, including the launcher fleet and
operations
[/quote]

Space Solar Power could fill markets that no other source
of electricity can. They say the reason India still has to import
food is a quarter of all their crops are ruined for a lack
of refrigeration (electricity). Combine that with the incredibly
....small costs.. of the receiving equipment on the ground, then
rural electrification and Space Solar Power are a marriage
made in heaven. Same goes for disasters and military uses.

Space Solar Power can charge whatever they need to charge.
They don't have to compete with anyone.
 
American...
Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:25 am
 
"William Mook" <mokmedi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:8721bbd7-246d-4764-
a195-6053feea0d06 at (no spam) d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...

[quote]I have developed a system that masses 600+ tonnes and is lofted into
orbit by a reusable vehicle derived from our experience with the
External Tank only.
[/quote]
: Instead of building a new heavy-lift, what needs to be
: researched is a solar powered laser power system.

What's keeping "instead" from creating free markets? IMO, it's
not a choice of "this" or "that" technology - it's not even about
creating cheaper forms of energy with replacement "solar"
(although Mook's cell industry expansion using frequencies
beamed into collectors seems plausible - Most space
enthusiasts talk about freeing up the market in order to allow
competition, and thus expansion of the free markets into space,
and IMHO the best incentive to "go orbital" would be for cheap
and abundant energy - Mook and I, at least agree on this.

: Then the mile size pv satellites wouldn't be needed, just
: a mirror a few hundred feet across. Also the mirror could
: be in geo, then laser to the power to low orbit relay stations
: that microwave it to the ground in the usual way.

Who's to say that China or any other "anti-capitalist" regime
won't bank on the prospect that it won't take too much for
those rascally republicans to convert your "mirror laser" to
star wars technology? In that case, we'd have an open door
policy for the military to immediately slate the weapon
potential to backup technology.

In that case, it won't ever get funded...

: "Solar light pumped laser and cooling method"

: "Moreover, the solar light pumped laser is capable of being
: light weighted and efficiently reducing an entropy of the
: renewable energy."

Sounds great on paper, but do we need a demonstration
that only the rich can afford? Naah, G.E. et al. have already
been bought off by the cronies in Washington...

: http://www.freshpatents.com/Solar-light-pumped-laser-and-cooling-meth...

It's all in the lift technology that gets it there to make it
more affordable....

[quote]The satellite consists of a 5.2 km diameter inflatable concentrator.
This concentrator focuses sunlight on to a 125 m diameter CPV/E
array. This array beams IR laser energy at 900 nm to 8,000 receivers
across the visible face of the Earth. Each beam generates 1.25 MW
the 22 m diameter receiver using silicon within a water filled lens
array. A total of 10,000 MW.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35439593/Solar-Power-Satellite-GEO

At $0.042 per kWh each satellite generates $300 million per month in
revenues. Four satellites, including the launcher fleet and
operations
[/quote]
: Space Solar Power could fill markets that no other source
: of electricity can. They say the reason India still has to import
: food is a quarter of all their crops are ruined for a lack
: of refrigeration (electricity). Combine that with the incredibly
: ...small costs.. of the receiving equipment on the ground, then
: rural electrification and Space Solar Power are a marriage
: made in heaven. Same goes for disasters and military uses.

I had a relative who worked for a company that was interested
in subbing the building of a gas plant and shipping port near
Bhopal, India, about 10 years ago. The idea could have
generated billions of dollars profit for the nation's economy
if started on time.

However, the different governmental entities over there all had
to agree together how the project was going to be completed,
and nothing was ever accomplished, mainly because there
was a general hatred for free market entrepreneurialism.

If a project like this were to become part of their culture over
there, it would have to become entirely owned by the
government, which is ludicrous to say the least. Even
*their* government has no business controlling what is
supposed to create "the most energy relief for the
most people". Those in their government would take it
for themselves, and tensions throughout India and
Pakistan would continue to escalate.

: Space Solar Power can charge whatever they need to .
: charge. They don't have to compete with anyone.

Makes life a whole lot easier for those in complete control
of the outcome.


American

"Man should be either treated generously or destroyed,
because they take revenge for slight injuries - for heavy
ones they cannot."

- N. Machiavelli
 
Jeff Findley...
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:53 am
 
In article <8721bbd7-246d-4764-a195-6053feea0d06
at (no spam) d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, mokmedical at (no spam) gmail.com says...
[quote]
I have developed a system that masses 600+ tonnes and is lofted into
orbit by a reusable vehicle derived from our experience with the
External Tank only.
[/quote]
LOLZ. Thanks for making my day. The retractable wing ET derived stage
looks to be completely unworkable. How in the heck are those wings
supposed to fold into the LH2 tank and the intertank? You've got a
horrible interferance problem here, unless you're using sci-fi
Transformers technology.

Jeff
--
The only decision you'll have to make is
Who goes in after the snake in the morning?
 
Pat Flannery...
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:38 pm
 
On 8/9/2010 1:35 PM, Jeff Findley wrote:

[quote]I swear this method was used on a cool Estes boost glider. Here it is:

http://www.amazon.com/EST-Scissor-wing-Transport-Rocket/dp/B0007U9MES
[/quote]
That's why that thing looked familiar! Estes should have sued them.

Pat
 
Jeff Findley...
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:20 am
 
In article
<b6CdnYfEBp0hSfzRnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d at (no spam) posted.northdakotatelephone>,
flanner at (no spam) daktel.com says...
[quote]
On 8/9/2010 1:35 PM, Jeff Findley wrote:

I swear this method was used on a cool Estes boost glider. Here it is:

http://www.amazon.com/EST-Scissor-wing-Transport-Rocket/dp/B0007U9MES

That's why that thing looked familiar! Estes should have sued them.
[/quote]
LOL.

Jeff
--
The only decision you'll have to make is
Who goes in after the snake in the morning?
 
 
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