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| Frogwatch... |
 Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:04 am |
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Am reading Gingritch's book "Pearl harbor" and in it he discusses how
radio operators in Pearl suspected something was about to happen
because the normal ship to ship traffic among vessels in the japanese
fleet had gone silent and had been replaced with messages that seemed
to be read from a script to lull listeners into thinking the fleet was
still in Japan. They could not read the encoded messages but they
could see that some messages were repeated as if somebody had gotten
lazy in thinking up new ones. They also knew the characteristics of
individual Japanese Morse Code radio senders and could tell that the
normal ones were silent and had been replaced with fakes. |
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| Alistair Gunn... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:09 am |
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Frogwatch twisted the electrons to say:
[quote]They also knew the characteristics of
individual Japanese Morse Code radio senders and could tell that the
normal ones were silent and had been replaced with fakes.
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But I thought it was well established that the normal fleet radio
operators where left in Japan (with radios) and told to boardcast
normally?
Also, even if they suspected that the Japanese Fleet was playing radio
games it doesn't follow that an attack on the USA is going to happen.
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:23 am |
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On Nov 4, 2:04 pm, Frogwatch <ohara... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
[quote]Am reading Gingritch's book "Pearl harbor" and in it he discusses how
radio operators in Pearl suspected something was about to happen
because the normal ship to ship traffic among vessels in the japanese
fleet had gone silent and had been replaced with messages that seemed
to be read from a script to lull listeners into thinking the fleet was
still in Japan. They could not read the encoded messages but they
could see that some messages were repeated as if somebody had gotten
lazy in thinking up new ones. They also knew the characteristics of
individual Japanese Morse Code radio senders and could tell that the
normal ones were silent and had been replaced with fakes.
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Bullshit, the IJN transferred the radio operators from the ships in
the task force to a shore base where they exchanged traffic as if the
ships were still there. There is some evidence that ships in the task
force sent radio messages and better evidence that Yamamoto sent
message to the ships. |
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:27 am |
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On Nov 4, 2:04 pm, Frogwatch <ohara... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
[quote]Am reading Gingritch's book "Pearl harbor" and in it he discusses how
radio operators in Pearl suspected something was about to happen
because the normal ship to ship traffic among vessels in the japanese
fleet had gone silent and had been replaced with messages that seemed
to be read from a script to lull listeners into thinking the fleet was
still in Japan. They could not read the encoded messages but they
could see that some messages were repeated as if somebody had gotten
lazy in thinking up new ones. They also knew the characteristics of
individual Japanese Morse Code radio senders and could tell that the
normal ones were silent and had been replaced with fakes.
[/quote]
I served with several of the people who manned the intercept sites in
1941. They didn't suspect anything, some others say there was traffic
between the ships and Japan but offer no proof, just the sort of half-
assed rumor you came up with. |
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| Keith Willshaw... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:27 pm |
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"Frogwatch" <ohara5.0 at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:b91c8a8d-a99e-4fae-a484-ddde07107412 at (no spam) a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
[quote]Am reading Gingritch's book "Pearl harbor" and in it he discusses how
radio operators in Pearl suspected something was about to happen
because the normal ship to ship traffic among vessels in the japanese
fleet had gone silent and had been replaced with messages that seemed
to be read from a script to lull listeners into thinking the fleet was
still in Japan. They could not read the encoded messages but they
could see that some messages were repeated as if somebody had gotten
lazy in thinking up new ones. They also knew the characteristics of
individual Japanese Morse Code radio senders and could tell that the
normal ones were silent and had been replaced with fakes.
[/quote]
There is nothing new about this. It's been known for years that naval
planners knew a major operation was brewing from Sigint and
the political situation. The expected targets were the Phillipines,
Dutch East Indies and Malaya. This is why a war warning was issued
on Nov 26th.
Keith |
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| Ralph E Lindberg... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:48 am |
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In article <cAkIm.83410$op2.7942 at (no spam) newsfe28.ams2>,
"Keith Willshaw" <keith at (no spam) nospam.kwillshaw.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[quote]"Frogwatch" <ohara5.0 at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:b91c8a8d-a99e-4fae-a484-ddde07107412 at (no spam) a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
Am reading Gingritch's book "Pearl harbor" and in it he discusses how
radio operators in Pearl suspected something was about to happen
because the normal ship to ship traffic among vessels in the japanese
fleet had gone silent and had been replaced with messages that seemed
to be read from a script to lull listeners into thinking the fleet was
still in Japan. They could not read the encoded messages but they
could see that some messages were repeated as if somebody had gotten
lazy in thinking up new ones. They also knew the characteristics of
individual Japanese Morse Code radio senders and could tell that the
normal ones were silent and had been replaced with fakes.
There is nothing new about this. It's been known for years that naval
planners knew a major operation was brewing from Sigint and
the political situation. The expected targets were the Phillipines,
Dutch East Indies and Malaya. This is why a war warning was issued
on Nov 26th.
Keith
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An attack was expected, that it included Hawaii was a surprise to most,
well, except the revisionists that want to blame FDR. And. of course
that Admiral that lead the war-game that did an attack on Peal in the
30's.
Fifty years from now four things will be true
*There will be those that "know" FDR knew about the attack on Hawaii
*There will be those that "know" there was a vast conspiracy to kill JFK
*There will be those that "know" the US government was behind the 9/11
attacks
*There will be those that "know" Obama is not a US Citizen
There will even be those that will believe all four
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| Scott M. Kozel... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:26 pm |
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Ralph E Lindberg <n7... at (no spam) callsign.net> wrote:
[quote]
An attack was expected, that it included Hawaii was a surprise to most,
well, except the revisionists that want to blame FDR. And. of course
that Admiral that lead the war-game that did an attack on Peal in the
30's.
Fifty years from now four things will be true
*There will be those that "know" FDR knew about the attack on Hawaii
*There will be those that "know" there was a vast conspiracy to kill JFK
*There will be those that "know" the US government was behind the 9/11
attacks
*There will be those that "know" Obama is not a US Citizen
There will even be those that will believe all four
[/quote]
A rather feeble attempt at logical parallel there ...
If Obama is a U.S. citizen, then why won't he produce the full long-
form birth certificate to prove it? It would be very simple to refute
his critics on the matter. |
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:33 pm |
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On Nov 5, 6:26 pm, "Scott M. Kozel" <koze... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
[quote]Ralph E Lindberg <n7... at (no spam) callsign.net> wrote:
An attack was expected, that it included Hawaii was a surprise to most,
well, except the revisionists that want to blame FDR. And. of course
that Admiral that lead the war-game that did an attack on Peal in the
30's.
Fifty years from now four things will be true
*There will be those that "know" FDR knew about the attack on Hawaii
*There will be those that "know" there was a vast conspiracy to kill JFK
*There will be those that "know" the US government was behind the 9/11
attacks
*There will be those that "know" Obama is not a US Citizen
There will even be those that will believe all four
A rather feeble attempt at logical parallel there ...
If Obama is a U.S. citizen, then why won't he produce the full long-
form birth certificate to prove it? It would be very simple to refute
his critics on the matter.
[/quote]
Why? If he wasn't born in Hawaii in August 4, 1961 wouldn't the
Republicans dug that out? Too many people trying to cover racisim with
some form of documentationalism. |
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:31 am |
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On Nov 6, 1:32 am, American Eagle <A... at (no spam) USA.com> wrote:
[quote]Scott M. Kozel wrote:
Ralph E Lindberg <n7... at (no spam) callsign.net> wrote:
An attack was expected, that it included Hawaii was a surprise to most,
well, except the revisionists that want to blame FDR. And. of course
that Admiral that lead the war-game that did an attack on Peal in the
30's.
Fifty years from now four things will be true
*There will be those that "know" FDR knew about the attack on Hawaii
*There will be those that "know" there was a vast conspiracy to kill JFK
*There will be those that "know" the US government was behind the 9/11
attacks
*There will be those that "know" Obama is not a US Citizen
There will even be those that will believe all four
A rather feeble attempt at logical parallel there ...
If Obama is a U.S. citizen, then why won't he produce the full long-
form birth certificate to prove it? It would be very simple to refute
his critics on the matter.
Better yet, How about his application as a foreign aid student to
Harvard? We paid the bill. And he did attend a private school in Hawaii,
lived in a 2 million$ Grandma's house and collected food stamps. The
Fucking Democrats have proven to be worse enemies then any we have ever
faced on the battle field. This is the only president ever elected
without America seeing his full resume.
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I believe "Grandma's house" was an apartment building. Do you have
documentation equivalent to what you want from him on that "foreign
aid student" application to Harvard?
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081109/NEWS01/811090361/-1/SPECIALOBAMA08 |
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| William Hamblen... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:18 am |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:26:51 -0800 (PST), "Scott M. Kozel"
<kozelsm at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
[quote]If Obama is a U.S. citizen, then why won't he produce the full long-
form birth certificate to prove it? It would be very simple to refute
his critics on the matter.
[/quote]
It could be the case that there is something embarassing about his
parentage that he is sensitive about. I don't think anyone has ever
brought that point up. It is a wise man, etc.
Bud |
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| American Eagle... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:32 am |
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Scott M. Kozel wrote:
[quote]Ralph E Lindberg <n7... at (no spam) callsign.net> wrote:
An attack was expected, that it included Hawaii was a surprise to most,
well, except the revisionists that want to blame FDR. And. of course
that Admiral that lead the war-game that did an attack on Peal in the
30's.
Fifty years from now four things will be true
*There will be those that "know" FDR knew about the attack on Hawaii
*There will be those that "know" there was a vast conspiracy to kill JFK
*There will be those that "know" the US government was behind the 9/11
attacks
*There will be those that "know" Obama is not a US Citizen
There will even be those that will believe all four
A rather feeble attempt at logical parallel there ...
If Obama is a U.S. citizen, then why won't he produce the full long-
form birth certificate to prove it? It would be very simple to refute
his critics on the matter.
[/quote]
Better yet, How about his application as a foreign aid student to
Harvard? We paid the bill. And he did attend a private school in Hawaii,
lived in a 2 million$ Grandma's house and collected food stamps. The
Fucking Democrats have proven to be worse enemies then any we have ever
faced on the battle field. This is the only president ever elected
without America seeing his full resume.
[quote]
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:33 am |
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William Hamblen <william.hamblen at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
:On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:26:51 -0800 (PST), "Scott M. Kozel"
:<kozelsm at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
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:>If Obama is a U.S. citizen, then why won't he produce the full long-
:>form birth certificate to prove it? It would be very simple to refute
:>his critics on the matter.
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:It could be the case that there is something embarassing about his
:parentage that he is sensitive about. I don't think anyone has ever
:brought that point up. It is a wise man, etc.
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Or it could be the case that sufficient 'proof' has been offered for
sane people and you loonies are beyond convincing no matter what is
presented, so why bother?
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only stupid."
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| American Eagle... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:34 am |
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Jack Linthicum wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 6:26 pm, "Scott M. Kozel" <koze... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Ralph E Lindberg <n7... at (no spam) callsign.net> wrote:
An attack was expected, that it included Hawaii was a surprise to most,
well, except the revisionists that want to blame FDR. And. of course
that Admiral that lead the war-game that did an attack on Peal in the
30's.
Fifty years from now four things will be true
*There will be those that "know" FDR knew about the attack on Hawaii
*There will be those that "know" there was a vast conspiracy to kill JFK
*There will be those that "know" the US government was behind the 9/11
attacks
*There will be those that "know" Obama is not a US Citizen
There will even be those that will believe all four
A rather feeble attempt at logical parallel there ...
If Obama is a U.S. citizen, then why won't he produce the full long-
form birth certificate to prove it? It would be very simple to refute
his critics on the matter.
Why? If he wasn't born in Hawaii in August 4, 1961 wouldn't the
Republicans dug that out? Too many people trying to cover racisim with
some form of documentationalism.
[/quote]
Lyndon Baines Johnson blocked many many things from everybody. So it
just happened again, thats all. Obama is not a legally elected President
and thats the facts folks. The American people have been fucked by the
Democrats again. |
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| Andrew Swallow... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:52 pm |
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William Hamblen wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:26:51 -0800 (PST), "Scott M. Kozel"
kozelsm at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
If Obama is a U.S. citizen, then why won't he produce the full long-
form birth certificate to prove it? It would be very simple to refute
his critics on the matter.
It could be the case that there is something embarassing about his
parentage that he is sensitive about. I don't think anyone has ever
brought that point up. It is a wise man, etc.
Bud
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Definite embarrassment there. Obama's mother was the second "wife"
and his father had not divorced the first.
Does the US President have to be legitimate?
Andrew Swallow |
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| Alistair Gunn... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:43 am |
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Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. twisted the electrons to say:
[quote]Andrew Swallow wrote:
Does the US President have to be legitimate?
Son, haven't you heard, there was a birth announcement in the newspaper
when he was born, which proves he was born in the U.S.
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What a strange definition of bastardy / legitimacy. You're legitimate if
there was a newspaper announcement of your birth? Does this mean that if
there wasn't a newspaper announcement you'd be a bastard?
[quote]Where do you nuts come from...
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Where do you colonials get your strange notions from? 
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