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| Ray O'Hara... |
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"William Black" <william.black at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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[quote]Ray O'Hara wrote:
Are they dancing in the streets over there again, like on 9/11?
Where's 'over there' this time?
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even you should be able to figure that out Bill. |
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| William Black... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:45 pm |
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Ray O'Hara wrote:
[quote]"William Black" <william.black at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Ray O'Hara wrote:
Are they dancing in the streets over there again, like on 9/11?
Where's 'over there' this time?
even you should be able to figure that out Bill.
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Well no.
The last time they were dancing in the streets 'over there', the place
designated as 'over there' had little or no connection with US forces.
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William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:53 pm |
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"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
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:"Fred J. McCall" <fjmccall at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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:> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
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:> :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmccall at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
:> :news:2hk7f5dqei1cgp6q6q3ah9jh1i6s763dma at (no spam) 4ax.com...
:> :> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
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:> :> :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmccall at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
:> :> :news:r2f7f5tibcdtbghbjg5ph0a78q8uf7s537 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
:> :> :> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
:> :> :>
:> :> :> :
:> :> :> :"a425couple" <a425couple at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
:> :> :> :news:hd0apq016mg at (no spam) news6.newsguy.com...
:> :> :> :> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote ...
:> :> :> :>> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote ...
:> :> :> :>>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
:> :> :> :>>>> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
:> :> :> :>
:> :> :> :> "admitted", hmm. I'm just not sure if that is just a word that came out,
:> :> :> :> or if it really shows something of your thought process? (Admitting, after
:> :> :> :> more thought, I often wish I'd used a different choice of words then I
:> :> :> :> typed out.)
:> :> :> :>>> Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
:> :> :> :>>> trial. A BIG MESS. Andrew Swallow
:> :> :> :>>
:> :> :> :>> and then execute him.
:> :> :> :>
:> :> :> :> Ahhh, I'd be willing to take a fair size bet that an 'execution' never
:> :> :> :> happens. When is the last time the military, or even any part of the
:> :> :> :> federal government conducted one? Is it even authorized anymore?
:> :> :> :
:> :> :> : they knew he was alive yet let hours go by with reports saying he's dead
:> :> :> :and the Military still has the death penalty and killing 12 and wounding 31
:> :> :> :because yoou don't want to go overseas, don't agree with the war and were
:> :> :> :reprimanded for posting postive things on the "interwebs" about suicide
:> :> :> :bombers will earn it for you.
:> :> :> :
:> :> :>
:> :> :> What does that have to do with your reflexive use of the word
:> :> :> "admitted"?
:> :> :
:> :> : read what I wrote,
:> :> : they knew he was alive, they had him. yet it wasn't until after 9pm they
:> :> :admitted the truth.
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> I read what you wrote. It demonstrates that you are a fuckwit.
:> :>
:> :> Were they trying to conceal that he was alive? If you claim so,
:> :> provide the proof. If not, then you're a fuckwit.
:> :>
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:> : I didn't think you could provide an answer.
:> :
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:> Since YOU were the one asked the question, YOU are the one that needs
:> to provide an answer. And of course you fail to do so.
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:> :
:> :they knew he was alive yet they didn't re;ease that info.
:> :they were upfront on the victims, shitstain
:> :
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:> That's because the status of the victims wasn't going to change.
:> Having been shot four times, put on a ventilator, and remaining
:> unconscious, what is so sinister about waiting until he's stable and
:> you know he's not going to die to say he's alive?
:>
:> Still dodging the question, Ray. One more time: DO YOU MAINTAIN THAT
:> THEY WERE TRYING TO CONCEAL THAT HE WAS ALIVE? IF YOU CLAIM SO,
:> PROVIDE THE PROOF. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT, THEN YOU'RE A FUCKWIT.
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:> You catching on here, Ray? You're obviously unable to answer a simple
:> question, so I guess we can consider that you've agreed that you're a
:> fuckwit.
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: they did conceal he was alive, they concealed it for 8 hours.
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There is a difference between 'concealed' and "didn't tell RayRay fast
enough to suit him".
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: it wasn't as if they didn't know he was in their care/custody.
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But they probably didn't know whether he'd been killed at the scene or
not until they got him stabilized.
I can just see it now, Ray. If they'd immediately come out and said
he was alive and he had then subsequently died, you'd be insisting
they murdered him to avoid a messy trial.
That's because you're a fuckwit.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine |
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:53 pm |
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"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
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:"William Black" <william.black at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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:> Ray O'Hara wrote:
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:>> Are they dancing in the streets over there again, like on 9/11?
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:> Where's 'over there' this time?
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: even you should be able to figure that out Bill.
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As usual, RayRay has no answer but feels like he has to respond.
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"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson |
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:57 pm |
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Richard <the.sargon at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
:On Nov 6, 10:53 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
:> Richard <the.sar... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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:> :> : explain your objection to the word admitted?
:> :> :{this should be funny}
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> Were they trying to claim something else and then 'admitted' the
:> :> truth? No.
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:> :Can you prove that "no"? Fact, they had him in custody for 7 hours
:> :and knew he was alive and knew reports were going out (false ones)
:> :that reported the shooter dead. So why the delay on the correction?
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:> Perhaps because it's not their job to 'correct' the story and they
:> might have wanted to know if he was actually going to live before they
:> said he was going to live.
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:> :> You're a fuckwit, Ray.
:> :
:> :And you resort to ad hominems.
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:> It's not an 'ad hominem' when it's true, Ray.
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:I'm not Ray you blind fool.
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You've seen one fuckwit, you've seen 'em all.
:> :
:> :What does that say about you?
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:> It says you're a fuckwit.
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:Bwahahaha. From you who can't even read headers.
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:You're cute, I'll make a garden ornament out of you!
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:Put you next to the other cracked pots.
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See what I mean? Fuckwit.
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"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:05 pm |
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"David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006 at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:
:On Nov 6, 1:34 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
:> "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:
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:> :On Nov 5, 10:43 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
:> :> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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:> :>news:MeGdnT81La1NBG7XnZ2dnUVZ8kVi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
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:> :> > Ray O'Hara wrote:
:> :> >> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
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:> :> > Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
:> :> > trial. A BIG MESS.
:> :>
:> :> > Andrew Swallow
:> :>
:> :> and then execute him.
:> :
:> :Treason is still a capital offense.
:> :
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:> It would probably be virtually impossible to 'prove' treason under the
:> US rules. What's the treasonable act? Multiple Murder With Special
:> Circumstances also carries a death penalty and is much easier to
:> convict on.
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:I recall you need two witnesses to prove it, and that surely exists
:plus plenty of other evidence. Swearing the oath and then shooting
:fellow service members in a hospital certainly qualifies.
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No, it doesn't. Every crime with two witnesses is not treason.
Where is the treasonable act?
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:Though the murder charge was used the last time I can remember
:something like this happen, the Army guy who shot fellow soldiers in
:Saudi Arabia before the kickoff of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
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Shooting your own mates doesn't rise to the level of treason.
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"We come into the world and take our chances.
Fate is just the weight of circumstances.
That's the way that Lady Luck dances.
Roll the bones...."
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| William Black... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:06 pm |
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Jack Linthicum wrote:
[quote]On Nov 6, 3:40 pm, "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:
On Nov 6, 5:27 am, "scott s." <75270_37... at (no spam) csi.xcom> wrote:
Alexander <Alexan... at (no spam) thegreat.org> wrote innews:7lhuqvF3dpgd3U5 at (no spam) mid.individual.net:
As an Officer, he had the right to resign.
AFAIK, you never have the right to resign. You can submit a letter
requesting resignation, but it doesn't have to be accepted.
In his (and many others) case, he appears to have received
government funded education, for which he agreed to serve for a
term of years, so any such letter of resignation would not be
accepted.
scott s.
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There's also Conscientious Objector status, or just not re-enlisting.
If he were so upset over the last few years he would have had
opportunity to take his degree and go into private practice.
He probably wouldn't have had a combat post anyway, he was support and
treatment, most likely for people dealing with PTSD. (What brainiac
wanted him in charge of that?)
Same guys who paid him for college and a medical degree and more
without getting anything back.
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How much does a psychiatrist in private practice earn in the USA?
Especially if he's a member of a community that sees itself as
persecuted and wants one of their own to do the head shrinking...
I can't see the financial thing being relevant.
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William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
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| Jeffrey Hamilton... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:13 pm |
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Richard Casady wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:57:59 +0000, William Black
william.black at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
The American public will demand vengeance. An Execution will be a
political necessity. I wonder where he can find a Jew Lawyer?
So.
As always you can be relied on to produce something deeply offensive
to everyone concerned.
What do you expect from someone who posts with a name like that?
To digress somewhat, why should the US get the eagle, while Canada
gets those vermin, Canada geese? Hardly seems fair.
Casady
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Which tastes better ?
cheers.....Jeff |
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| Alexander... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:22 pm |
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David E. Powell wrote:
[quote]On Nov 6, 5:27 am, "scott s." <75270_37... at (no spam) csi.xcom> wrote:
Alexander <Alexan... at (no spam) thegreat.org> wrote innews:7lhuqvF3dpgd3U5 at (no spam) mid.individual.net:
As an Officer, he had the right to resign.
AFAIK, you never have the right to resign. You can submit a letter
requesting resignation, but it doesn't have to be accepted.
In his (and many others) case, he appears to have received
government funded education, for which he agreed to serve for a
term of years, so any such letter of resignation would not be
accepted.
scott s.
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Scott... As a commissioned officer you *can* immediately resign within
the confines of the USA. It is not considered an honorable resignation
and you are on administrative hold for a period of time to ascertain
that the resignation is not to avoid criminal prosecution. You may check
JAG and Laws that date back to the revolution and civil wars. I agree on
the Objector status etc. This case will have to be handled with kid
gloves to set an example and yet not upset the Muslim/American soldiers.
The American public will not abide a lenient punishment. It gonna be
touchy. Would have been better if the shooter had not survived.
[quote].
There's also Conscientious Objector status, or just not re-enlisting.
If he were so upset over the last few years he would have had
opportunity to take his degree and go into private practice.
He probably wouldn't have had a combat post anyway, he was support and
treatment, most likely for people dealing with PTSD. (What brainiac
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| Hermann... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:29 pm |
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
[quote]
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:Though the murder charge was used the last time I can remember
:something like this happen, the Army guy who shot fellow soldiers in
:Saudi Arabia before the kickoff of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
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Shooting your own mates doesn't rise to the level of treason.
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But even you have to admit, it is in bad taste.
[quote]
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| frank... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:56 pm |
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On Nov 6, 10:39 pm, Andrew Swallow <am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
[quote]Alexander wrote:
Ray O'Hara wrote:
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Ray O'Hara wrote:
the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
trial. A BIG MESS.
Andrew Swallow
and then execute him.
Gitmo first!
Gitmo is for crimes committed outside the USA by non-US citizens.
The interrogators will have to permit him to give up his right
to silence in the jail house.
Andrew Swallow
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US citizens have been sent there.
In any case, this guy ain't going loose any time soon. IF he doesn't
get the death penalty, he'll never get out.
I can't recall the last treason trial, usually easier to try and
convict on a lot of other charges.
There were some legal arguments that Jane Fonda fit the treason
statute, there was at least one self published legal tract promoting
that.
He's in for some hard Federal time. Only way he could try to save his
skin would be an insanity plea and there are Federal facilities for
that also.
Heard he's stable and on a ventilator. Probably in some sort of
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:27 pm |
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Hermann <Herman at (no spam) sheise.net> wrote:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
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:> :Though the murder charge was used the last time I can remember
:> :something like this happen, the Army guy who shot fellow soldiers in
:> :Saudi Arabia before the kickoff of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
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:> Shooting your own mates doesn't rise to the level of treason.
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:But even you have to admit, it is in bad taste.
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EVEN I? Fuck you very much, dipshit.
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| Andrew Swallow... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:30 pm |
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
[quote]"David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006 at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:
:On Nov 5, 10:43 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
:> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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:> news:MeGdnT81La1NBG7XnZ2dnUVZ8kVi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
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:> > Ray O'Hara wrote:
:> >> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
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:> > Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
:> > trial. A BIG MESS.
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:> > Andrew Swallow
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:> and then execute him.
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:Treason is still a capital offense.
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It would probably be virtually impossible to 'prove' treason under the
US rules. What's the treasonable act? Multiple Murder With Special
Circumstances also carries a death penalty and is much easier to
convict on.
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Lets look at the US definition of Treason
<http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
[quote]
Article III
Section. 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War
against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and
Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony
of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but
no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture
except during the Life of the Person attainted.
[/quote]
As of when was deliberately shooting soldiers not considered "levying War"?
A Treason charge really depends on whether someone put him up to it.
The suicide bomber (shooter) who does the killing dies whilst the
mullah who organised it escapes would be standard Al Qaeda procedure.
The mullah would also have committed Treason and accessory to murder.
One thing worth checking. Do any of the local mosques have literature
advocating using violence to replace democracy in the USA? Since this
is unconstitutional it sounds like an "Un-American Activity" (read
the old act). You will probably need to send an Arabic speaker. If
you find anything an anonymous phone call to the FBI telling them
where to look can achieve results.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:39 pm |
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Alexander wrote:
[quote]Ray O'Hara wrote:
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:MeGdnT81La1NBG7XnZ2dnUVZ8kVi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
trial. A BIG MESS.
Andrew Swallow
and then execute him.
Gitmo first!
[/quote]
Gitmo is for crimes committed outside the USA by non-US citizens.
The interrogators will have to permit him to give up his right
to silence in the jail house.
Andrew Swallow |
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| Alan Lothian... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:09 am |
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In article <lot9f5lqaca1nm8sarkmd9gvbqtsekqdbo at (no spam) 4ax.com>, Fred J. McCall
<fjmccall at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]
EVEN I? Fuck you very much, dipshit.
[/quote]
Ah, such ill temper. I must say I can sympathize, though. I doubt I'd
even have troubled to respond to someone who can't spell Scheisse right
in his nymskull address.
My sympathies lie instinctively with the victims of this poor, sad,
sorry murderous buffoon, and their families.
The situation is also such as to permit me an exception to my liberal,
tolerant views on No Death Penalty In Ordinary Civil Society.
Not ordinary, not civil. I see no reason why the minute he's off a
ventilator he can't be tied to a post and shot. A trial to establish
the facts of the case -- one has to insist on that, as Fred will
certainly agree -- shouldn't take more than half an hour.
Oh, let him have a few minutes with the Mad Mullah of his choice. I'd
even offer him a cigarette and (haram, haram) a glass of rough whiskey.
That's me coming all over liberal and tolerant again, just can't help
it.
The thing about Islamicist martyrs is that there aren't nearly enough
of them. Sadly, you Americans, a great people whom I have always
admired, are likely to let the aforementioned sad, sorry murderous
buffoon linger on military death row for years. Not the way to do
things, if you ask me.
Dawn. (None of this midnight lethal injection rubbish.) Blindfold.
(Compulsory: it's for the firing squad, not the murderous buffoon.) No
speeches.
Et voila! as they say in my new country. Le peloton d'execution can
have the whiskey refused by the martyr.
I suppose you could just hang him, but you are out of practice and
there's something to be said for a proper military finale.
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"The past resembles the future as water resembles water" -- Ibn Khaldun
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