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| Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.... |
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"We told you so"
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:01 pm |
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On Nov 7, 10:54 am, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d... at (no spam) coldine.edu>
wrote:
[quote]"We told you so"
...and no end in sight...stupidity...
[/quote]
Nidal Malik Hasan, is a HERO , he honored his pledge to DEFEND AMERICA
from terrorists
Fort Hood Shooting Suspect Harassed By Others In Military and Wanted
Out, Family Said
Fort Hood shooting suspect, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, wanted out of the
Army after being constantly harassed by others in the military and was
called a "camel jockey," his family said.
Share
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is a psychiatrist who treated soldiers back
from war. in his own mind that he's saving peoples' lives," said
Garrett. "As illogical as that sounds, in his mind, that would be
quite logical."
As Hasan was about to be deployed to Iraq, he was suffering from some
of the same stresses that he was trained as an Army psychiatrist to
treat.
Although the 39-year-old had just been promoted to major in May, his
family says he had hired a lawyer to help him get out of the Armed
Forces.
"Apparently became very disgruntled in the mission in Iraq and
Afghanistan and voiced that to a lot of his colleagues," said Rep.
Michael McCaul (R-TX).
He also voiced it to the world in an Internet posting, where he
compared suicide bombers to GI's who save their colleagues by throwing
themselves on a grenade.
"Just keep in mind mass killers pretty much know they want to die and
they tend to take as many people with them as they can in a shooting,"
said former FBI agent and ABC News consultant Brad Garrett, who also
believes Hasan didn't want to survive the Ft. Hood shooting.
"It is one of those things where he went and wanted to kill a lot of
people and commit suicide maybe in his own mind that he's saving
peoples' lives," said Garrett. "As illogical as that sounds, in his
mind, that would be quite logical."
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nidal-malik-hasan-wanted-army-family/story?id=9008184 |
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:15 am |
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On Nov 7, 2:01 am, kangarooistan <kangarooist... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 7, 10:54 am, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d... at (no spam) coldine.edu
wrote:
"We told you so"
...and no end in sight...stupidity...
Nidal Malik Hasan, is a HERO , he honored his pledge to DEFEND AMERICA
from terrorists
Fort Hood Shooting Suspect Harassed By Others In Military and Wanted
Out, Family Said
Fort Hood shooting suspect, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, wanted out of the
Army after being constantly harassed by others in the military and was
called a "camel jockey," his family said.
Share
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is a psychiatrist who treated soldiers back
from war. in his own mind that he's saving peoples' lives," said
Garrett. "As illogical as that sounds, in his mind, that would be
quite logical."
As Hasan was about to be deployed to Iraq, he was suffering from some
of the same stresses that he was trained as an Army psychiatrist to
treat.
Although the 39-year-old had just been promoted to major in May, his
family says he had hired a lawyer to help him get out of the Armed
Forces.
"Apparently became very disgruntled in the mission in Iraq and
Afghanistan and voiced that to a lot of his colleagues," said Rep.
Michael McCaul (R-TX).
He also voiced it to the world in an Internet posting, where he
compared suicide bombers to GI's who save their colleagues by throwing
themselves on a grenade.
"Just keep in mind mass killers pretty much know they want to die and
they tend to take as many people with them as they can in a shooting,"
said former FBI agent and ABC News consultant Brad Garrett, who also
believes Hasan didn't want to survive the Ft. Hood shooting.
"It is one of those things where he went and wanted to kill a lot of
people and commit suicide maybe in his own mind that he's saving
peoples' lives," said Garrett. "As illogical as that sounds, in his
mind, that would be quite logical."
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nidal-malik-hasan-wanted-army-family/st...
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Actually his orders were for Afghanistan, where he would just be
another foreigner come to take their land. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:52 am |
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Radical Islam pilots or ship captain someday may bomb the US to
revenge for the death of their own religious. In 1975, ARVN pilot
Nguyen Thanh Trung turned his bomber and dropped his bombs on RVN
presidential palace to revenge for his father, a VC guerrilla killed
by RVN troops. With nuclear weapons availble the danger will be
enormous.
After Fort Hood, tt's time for U.S. officials to be alert of another
Islamic Nguyen Thanh Trung in U.S. ranks. Major Hasam is just a tip of
an iceberg.
Visit:
http://www.pbs.org/vietnampassage/Stories/stories.trung.01.html
On Nov 6, 6:54 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d... at (no spam) coldine.edu> wrote:
[quote]"We told you so"
...and no end in sight...stupidity...[/quote] |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:01 am |
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If PBS TV praises Nguyen Thanh Trung's act agains his own fellow
soldiers, it probably praises Major Hasam for his act.
After the bombing of South Vietnam's presidential palace, Trung flew
several other bombing raids against ARVN troops from the new NVA
controlled base in Phan Rang. PBS seems to be a leftist/communist
media.
On Nov 7, 7:52 am, Ben <pb5... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote] Radical Islam pilots or ship captain someday may bomb the US to
revenge for the death of their own religious. In 1975, ARVN pilot
Nguyen Thanh Trung turned his bomber and dropped his bombs on RVN
presidential palace to revenge for his father, a VC guerrilla killed
by RVN troops. With nuclear weapons availble the danger will be
enormous.
After Fort Hood, tt's time for U.S. officials to be alert of another
Islamic Nguyen Thanh Trung in U.S. ranks. Major Hasam is just a tip of
an iceberg.
Visit:http://www.pbs.org/vietnampassage/Stories/stories.trung.01.html
On Nov 6, 6:54 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d... at (no spam) coldine.edu> wrote:
"We told you so"
...and no end in sight...stupidity...[/quote] |
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| Alexander... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:59 am |
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kangarooistan wrote:
[quote]On Nov 7, 10:54 am, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d... at (no spam) coldine.edu
wrote:
"We told you so"
...and no end in sight...stupidity...
Nidal Malik Hasan, is a HERO , he honored his pledge to DEFEND AMERICA
from terrorists
Fort Hood Shooting Suspect Harassed By Others In Military and Wanted
Out, Family Said
[/quote]
All he had to do was resign his commission. If he had been compensated
for education etc. He would have to pay that back. There is more then
meets the eye here. Apparently he became a religious fanatic who with
malice of forethought brought weaponry to kill unarmed soldiers. The act
of a Coward! Being a Muslim, it must really burn his buns to be gunned
down by a Female infidel. Maybe she should have been firing silver
bullets against the evils of the Murderous Islamics. When he gets well
enough to be incarcerated, they will have to keep him in Isolation. The
other prisoners will be clamoring for the right to butt fuck him and to
cut him to ribbons in retaliation for his crimes. Islam is an insane
religion that caters to the very ignorant and uneducated. Actually most
religions are designed to control and direct fools.
[quote]
Fort Hood shooting suspect, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, wanted out of the
Army after being constantly harassed by others in the military and was
called a "camel jockey," his family said.
[/quote]
Yeah, Right..The Jews were called "Kikes", The Italians called "Guinies"
and "Wops", The Germans "Krauts" and "Huns", the English called "
Limeys", The French called "Frogs" The Irish called " Micks" The
orientals called "Slopes", "Chinks", "Gooks" etc... Big fucking deal.
It is just part of the military and nobody really gives a crap. This
Arab had been in service quite a number of years and knew the vernacular
used very well. In fact, he probably did the same to others. In the
field all these cutsie names watched each others backs and were
literally a band of brothers.
[quote]Share
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is a psychiatrist who treated soldiers back
from war. in his own mind that he's saving peoples' lives," said
Garrett. "As illogical as that sounds, in his mind, that would be
quite logical."
As Hasan was about to be deployed to Iraq, he was suffering from some
of the same stresses that he was trained as an Army psychiatrist to
treat.
[/quote]
He was a shrink..He sure as Hell wasn't suffering combat fatigue. What
he did was unforgivable and an asshole like you should be made an
example of, for encouraging more of the same.
[quote]
Although the 39-year-old had just been promoted to major in May, his
family says he had hired a lawyer to help him get out of the Armed
Forces.
[/quote]
He didn't need a lawyer. He can resign his commision at any time.
[quote]
"Apparently became very disgruntled in the mission in Iraq and
Afghanistan and voiced that to a lot of his colleagues," said Rep.
Michael McCaul (R-TX).
He also voiced it to the world in an Internet posting, where he
compared suicide bombers to GI's who save their colleagues by throwing
themselves on a grenade.
"Just keep in mind mass killers pretty much know they want to die and
they tend to take as many people with them as they can in a shooting,"
said former FBI agent and ABC News consultant Brad Garrett, who also
believes Hasan didn't want to survive the Ft. Hood shooting.
"It is one of those things where he went and wanted to kill a lot of
people and commit suicide maybe in his own mind that he's saving
peoples' lives," said Garrett. "As illogical as that sounds, in his
mind, that would be quite logical."
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nidal-malik-hasan-wanted-army-family/story?id=9008184[/quote] |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:47 am |
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Interesting logic and a new legal theory has just emerged.
Let me see if I've grasped the gist of this logic thought and legal
theory - if one gets "harassed" at work or school or anywhere else for
that matter, the mitigating factor in the defense is the fact that the
person was "harassed" and therefore justified for the criminal
behavior post facto. Interesting logic. Kind of kindergartenish, I
would say but interesting.
Yes interesting.
---
meport
kangarooistan wrote:
[quote]On Nov 7, 10:54 am, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d... at (no spam) coldine.edu
wrote:
"We told you so"
...and no end in sight...stupidity...
Nidal Malik Hasan, is a HERO , he honored his pledge to DEFEND
AMERICA
from terrorists
Fort Hood Shooting Suspect Harassed By Others In Military and Wanted
Out, Family Said
Fort Hood shooting suspect, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, wanted out of
the
Army after being constantly harassed by others in the military and
was
called a "camel jockey," his family said.
Share
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is a psychiatrist who treated soldiers back
from war. in his own mind that he's saving peoples' lives," said
Garrett. "As illogical as that sounds, in his mind, that would be
quite logical."
As Hasan was about to be deployed to Iraq, he was suffering from
some
of the same stresses that he was trained as an Army psychiatrist to
treat.
Although the 39-year-old had just been promoted to major in May, his
family says he had hired a lawyer to help him get out of the Armed
Forces.
"Apparently became very disgruntled in the mission in Iraq and
Afghanistan and voiced that to a lot of his colleagues," said Rep.
Michael McCaul (R-TX).
He also voiced it to the world in an Internet posting, where he
compared suicide bombers to GI's who save their colleagues by
throwing
themselves on a grenade.
"Just keep in mind mass killers pretty much know they want to die
and
they tend to take as many people with them as they can in a
shooting,"
said former FBI agent and ABC News consultant Brad Garrett, who also
believes Hasan didn't want to survive the Ft. Hood shooting.
"It is one of those things where he went and wanted to kill a lot of
people and commit suicide maybe in his own mind that he's saving
peoples' lives," said Garrett. "As illogical as that sounds, in his
mind, that would be quite logical."
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nidal-malik-hasan-wanted-army-
family/story?id=9008184[/quote]
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:08 am |
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If resigning your commission was just that easy.
The military spends a bundle educating all those "medical
professionals" it turns out of the Department of Defense College of
Medical Quackery. Because it spends all that money, they make it
virtually impossible for a "graduate" to opt out of their contract and
contractual agreement until every second of the contract is served.
You know the "don't ask, don't tell" rule? Forget about it with this
bunch. One of these guys or gals can be absolutely openly homosexual,
doing homosexual acts in public, and not a word will ever be uttered.
One of these guys or gals could walk up to his or her commander and
piss on them in front of the Chief of Staff or the Chief of Naval
Operations and not an eye would be blinked.
Come to work drunk? No problem for these guys and gals.
Be a druggie, stealing drugs out of the hospital or clinic pharmacy?
No big deal for them.
Rape, pillage, plunder? Par for the course as far as these guys and
gals are concerned.
You don't think this is true? Research the issue. I know for a fact
it is. DOD is DESPERATE to keep them on Active Duty. Therefore NO
RULES apply to them.
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meport
[quote]Alexander wrote:
kangarooistan wrote:
On Nov 7, 10:54 am, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d... at (no spam) coldine.edu
wrote:
"We told you so"
...and no end in sight...stupidity...
Nidal Malik Hasan, is a HERO , he honored his pledge to DEFEND
AMERICA
from terrorists
Fort Hood Shooting Suspect Harassed By Others In Military and
Wanted
Out, Family Said
All he had to do was resign his commission. If he had been
compensated
for education etc. He would have to pay that back. There is more
then
meets the eye here. Apparently he became a religious fanatic who
with
malice of forethought brought weaponry to kill unarmed soldiers. The
act
of a Coward! Being a Muslim, it must really burn his buns to be
gunned
down by a Female infidel. Maybe she should have been firing silver
bullets against the evils of the Murderous Islamics. When he gets
well
enough to be incarcerated, they will have to keep him in Isolation.
The
other prisoners will be clamoring for the right to butt fuck him and
to
cut him to ribbons in retaliation for his crimes. Islam is an insane
religion that caters to the very ignorant and uneducated. Actually
most
religions are designed to control and direct fools.
Fort Hood shooting suspect, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, wanted out of
the
Army after being constantly harassed by others in the military and
was
called a "camel jockey," his family said.
Yeah, Right..The Jews were called "Kikes", The Italians called
"Guinies"
and "Wops", The Germans "Krauts" and "Huns", the English called "
Limeys", The French called "Frogs" The Irish called " Micks" The
orientals called "Slopes", "Chinks", "Gooks" etc... Big fucking
deal.
It is just part of the military and nobody really gives a crap. This
Arab had been in service quite a number of years and knew the
vernacular
used very well. In fact, he probably did the same to others. In the
field all these cutsie names watched each others backs and were
literally a band of brothers.
Share
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is a psychiatrist who treated soldiers back
from war. in his own mind that he's saving peoples' lives," said
Garrett. "As illogical as that sounds, in his mind, that would be
quite logical."
As Hasan was about to be deployed to Iraq, he was suffering from
some
of the same stresses that he was trained as an Army psychiatrist to
treat.
He was a shrink..He sure as Hell wasn't suffering combat fatigue.
What
he did was unforgivable and an asshole like you should be made an
example of, for encouraging more of the same.
Although the 39-year-old had just been promoted to major in May,
his
family says he had hired a lawyer to help him get out of the Armed
Forces.
He didn't need a lawyer. He can resign his commision at any time.
"Apparently became very disgruntled in the mission in Iraq and
Afghanistan and voiced that to a lot of his colleagues," said Rep.
Michael McCaul (R-TX).
He also voiced it to the world in an Internet posting, where he
compared suicide bombers to GI's who save their colleagues by
throwing
themselves on a grenade.
"Just keep in mind mass killers pretty much know they want to die
and
they tend to take as many people with them as they can in a
shooting,"
said former FBI agent and ABC News consultant Brad Garrett, who
also
believes Hasan didn't want to survive the Ft. Hood shooting.
"It is one of those things where he went and wanted to kill a lot
of
people and commit suicide maybe in his own mind that he's saving
peoples' lives," said Garrett. "As illogical as that sounds, in his
mind, that would be quite logical."
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nidal-malik-hasan-wanted-army-
family/story?id=9008184[/quote]
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:45 am |
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"Ben" <pb5511 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4c7cfae9-a546-4bfb-a1e0-3f6d50209f54 at (no spam) j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
If PBS TV praises Nguyen Thanh Trung's act agains his own fellow
soldiers, it probably praises Major Hasam for his act.
After the bombing of South Vietnam's presidential palace, Trung flew
several other bombing raids against ARVN troops from the new NVA
controlled base in Phan Rang. PBS seems to be a leftist/communist
media.
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let me guess. you're a Faux news Rush the junkie fan. |
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On Nov 7, 8:45 am, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]"Ben" <pb5... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4c7cfae9-a546-4bfb-a1e0-3f6d50209f54 at (no spam) j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
If PBS TV praises Nguyen Thanh Trung's act agains his own fellow
soldiers, it probably praises Major Hasam for his act.
After the bombing of South Vietnam's presidential palace, Trung flew
several other bombing raids against ARVN troops from the new NVA
controlled base in Phan Rang. PBS seems to be a leftist/communist
media.
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let me guess. you're a Faux news Rush the junkie fan.
Don't take the warning lightly.[/quote]
Before the Tet of 1968, U.S. Embassy and RVN government dismissed
intelligent warnings of possible communist attacks during the Tet. In
2001, CIA and the Bush administration dismissed FBI warnings of many
Arabs are learning how to fly commercial airlines. In both cases the
U.S. missed the chance to stop disasters.
A few radical Islams inside U.S. military could do a lot more damage
than communists did to the U.S. during the Vietnam war. |
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| David E. Powell... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:24 pm |
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On Nov 7, 11:03 pm, Ben <pb5... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 7, 8:45 am, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:> "Ben" <pb5... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4c7cfae9-a546-4bfb-a1e0-3f6d50209f54 at (no spam) j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com....
If PBS TV praises Nguyen Thanh Trung's act agains his own fellow
soldiers, it probably praises Major Hasam for his act.
After the bombing of South Vietnam's presidential palace, Trung flew
several other bombing raids against ARVN troops from the new NVA
controlled base in Phan Rang. PBS seems to be a leftist/communist
media.
===========================================================================
let me guess. you're a Faux news Rush the junkie fan.
Don't take the warning lightly.
Before the Tet of 1968, U.S. Embassy and RVN government dismissed
intelligent warnings of possible communist attacks during the Tet. In
2001, CIA and the Bush administration dismissed FBI warnings of many
Arabs are learning how to fly commercial airlines. In both cases the
U.S. missed the chance to stop disasters.
A few radical Islams inside U.S. military could do a lot more damage
than communists did to the U.S. during the Vietnam war.
[/quote]
The problem stems from the Cold War.
Many western leftists, hard leftists I mean, sympathised with the
Arabs, as they were allies in a certain Bloc. People tend to forget
that many of the terrorists involved in attacks like the Entebble
hijacking were western, and that Europe had some very nasty cells, not
to mention ones in the US. These cells led to the original formation
of SWAT units in the US.
Also a certain subset of people got swayed to where they would root
for whoever was against the "Capitalist West" by default, no matter
who it was. This isn't meant as political bomb throwing, it is simple
fact.
The problem is some take that default mode over into this, and the
ideology is actually very different. The old Soviet Union's ideology
was supposedly anti-Capitalist, and had the cry of equality for the
sexes, classes and so forth. The irony is that fundamentalism is the
opposite of that in goals. One of the most amazing things to me has
been to see some of the folks who deny fundamentalist terrorism as a
threat and who decry any calls for vigilance or preparedness, as they
would probably be the first ones such a regime would go after. When
one considers what hard core fundamentalists have repeatedly done to
those who call for womens' education, equal rights for women, the
freedom to determine one's own religious beliefs, and political
freedom of speech all over the world, it shocks me that more of the
mainstream folks in the west aren't concerned and are so reflexive
against preparedness here. Were it something like The Order or some
other right wing cell or other religious based cell popping up they
would be justly concerned as would everyone else. The only thing I can
think of sometimes is a certain reflexive ideology going back to that
time, and the alliance of geopolitical convenience between the USSR
and certain other groups based out of the mideast, at least in some
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David E. Powell wrote:
One of the most amazing things to me has
[quote]been to see some of the folks who deny fundamentalist terrorism as a
threat and who decry any calls for vigilance or preparedness, as they
would probably be the first ones such a regime would go after. When
one considers what hard core fundamentalists have repeatedly done to
those who call for womens' education, equal rights for women, the
freedom to determine one's own religious beliefs, and political
freedom of speech all over the world, it shocks me that more of the
mainstream folks in the west aren't concerned and are so reflexive
against preparedness here.
[/quote]
Are you paranoid that the fundy Muslims are going to overtake and change
Western civilization? Do you really think they (the fundy Muslims) would be
able to pull that off? How would they be able to do that??? !! I would
ask, also, what is it like to live in such fear and paranoia. That must
really suck.
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On Nov 7, 11:03 pm, Ben <pb5... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 7, 8:45 am, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:> "Ben" <pb5... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4c7cfae9-a546-4bfb-a1e0-3f6d50209f54 at (no spam) j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com....
If PBS TV praises Nguyen Thanh Trung's act agains his own fellow
soldiers, it probably praises Major Hasam for his act.
After the bombing of South Vietnam's presidential palace, Trung flew
several other bombing raids against ARVN troops from the new NVA
controlled base in Phan Rang. PBS seems to be a leftist/communist
media.
===========================================================================
let me guess. you're a Faux news Rush the junkie fan.
Don't take the warning lightly.
Before the Tet of 1968, U.S. Embassy and RVN government dismissed
intelligent warnings of possible communist attacks during the Tet. In
2001, CIA and the Bush administration dismissed FBI warnings of many
Arabs are learning how to fly commercial airlines. In both cases the
U.S. missed the chance to stop disasters.
A few radical Islams inside U.S. military could do a lot more damage
than communists did to the U.S. during the Vietnam war.
[/quote]
Could you edit that statement to "one analyst in the FBI warned" and
add "the upper echolons dismissed that warning"? "Communists"?
"Vietnam war"? what loony bin told you that? |
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| David E. Powell... |
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On Nov 8, 12:31 am, "La N" <nilita2004NOS... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]David E. Powell wrote:
One of the most amazing things to me has
been to see some of the folks who deny fundamentalist terrorism as a
threat and who decry any calls for vigilance or preparedness, as they
would probably be the first ones such a regime would go after. When
one considers what hard core fundamentalists have repeatedly done to
those who call for womens' education, equal rights for women, the
freedom to determine one's own religious beliefs, and political
freedom of speech all over the world, it shocks me that more of the
mainstream folks in the west aren't concerned and are so reflexive
against preparedness here.
Are you paranoid that the fundy Muslims are going to overtake and change
Western civilization? Do you really think they (the fundy Muslims) would be
able to pull that off? How would they be able to do that??? !! I would
ask, also, what is it like to live in such fear and paranoia. That must
really suck.
[/quote]
Sigh.
I was concerned that ignorance of the problem may make it harder to
stop future attacks. As for complete overthrow of Western
Civilization, I should hope not, but remember that the
fundamentalists, in their minds, have those tenets as goals and
motivations, logical or not, and that is part of what drives them.
They may not be able, we hope, to overthrow all of democracy, equality
of the genders, the latest videos on MTV and the existence of the
Bravo channel, but that doesn't mean that such thoughts or beliefs or
imaginings drive them to do some rather nasty and violent things,
whether in nations where they do hold power or in other ones where
cells of believers in the same fringe ideology attack people whenever
they get the opportunity.
In light of recent events I would not call worrying that some future
cell or individual with similar motivations could launch another
attack somewhere "fear and paranoia" but common sense.
Concern over people who continue to pooh-pooh such things when the
repeatedly crop up as motivations in terrorist attacks because it is
politically correct in their minds to or because they are conditioned
to reflexively deny such conditions was actually the whole point of my
post.
> - nilita |
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David E. Powell wrote:
[quote]On Nov 8, 12:31 am, "La N" <nilita2004NOS... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
David E. Powell wrote:
One of the most amazing things to me has
been to see some of the folks who deny fundamentalist terrorism as a
threat and who decry any calls for vigilance or preparedness, as
they would probably be the first ones such a regime would go after.
When one considers what hard core fundamentalists have repeatedly
done to those who call for womens' education, equal rights for
women, the freedom to determine one's own religious beliefs, and
political freedom of speech all over the world, it shocks me that
more of the mainstream folks in the west aren't concerned and are
so reflexive against preparedness here.
Are you paranoid that the fundy Muslims are going to overtake and
change Western civilization? Do you really think they (the fundy
Muslims) would be able to pull that off? How would they be able to
do that??? !! I would ask, also, what is it like to live in such
fear and paranoia. That must really suck.
Sigh.
I was concerned that ignorance of the problem may make it harder to
stop future attacks. As for complete overthrow of Western
Civilization, I should hope not, but remember that the
fundamentalists, in their minds, have those tenets as goals and
motivations, logical or not, and that is part of what drives them.
They may not be able, we hope, to overthrow all of democracy, equality
of the genders, the latest videos on MTV and the existence of the
Bravo channel, but that doesn't mean that such thoughts or beliefs or
imaginings drive them to do some rather nasty and violent things,
whether in nations where they do hold power or in other ones where
cells of believers in the same fringe ideology attack people whenever
they get the opportunity.
In light of recent events I would not call worrying that some future
cell or individual with similar motivations could launch another
attack somewhere "fear and paranoia" but common sense.
Concern over people who continue to pooh-pooh such things when the
repeatedly crop up as motivations in terrorist attacks because it is
politically correct in their minds to or because they are conditioned
to reflexively deny such conditions was actually the whole point of my
post.
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Well, I don't want to dismiss your fears out of hand. Clearly, the issue
does concern you. However, we have always had fringe people "out there" who
have wanted to create terror and havoc whether it be some (allegedly)
Islamic jihadist shooting up fellow soldiers or kids on a schoolground
dust-up a la Columbine or somebody going postal in an office building in
Orlando. Let us trust that our/your security types (i.e. FBI) are doing
their job to help you feel safer. Going into the Middle East and invading
(yet again) another country isn't going to make you or the world safer.
Hopefully the policing/security agencies and informants continue to be
vigilant. Most people are not so "evil". Most people just want to live
their lives, take their kids to Disneyland, raise their families, throw
BBQs, drink beer, listen to music, dance ... All the fretting and wringing
of hands on the part of us "regular folks" about what could possibly happen
is not going to help. So you/we might as well find ways to enjoy the good
stuff of life.
- nilita |
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