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| ThomM... |
 Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:56 pm |
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On Nov 5, 3:59 pm, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL... at (no spam) Father.com> wrote:
[quote]Andrew Chung doesn't decide much at all really.
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo... at (no spam) thetruth.com> wrote in messagenews:d7c93b1f-d9f6-482a-b584-ab4d9a2ef61e at (no spam) j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
Mike McClean wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Mike McClean wrote:
satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) wrote:
Dr. Chung do you sin?
"No."
Not while in the Holy Spirit.
Please provide examples of how often
"Zero."
and of what kind?
"None."
The word of the Lord in measure of the above:
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not
in
us.
The sin remains in the past as those of us who have stopped sinning by
being mindful of WDJW and doing what He wants remain sinners having
sin in our past.
Meanwhile the following is a recent explication of how born again
Christians can keep sinning though forgiven of all their sins:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/013d97011bed20f3?
Lying is sinning though Jimmy Alpha is forgiven.
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive
our
sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not
in
us.
Verity wrote:
My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not
sin;
but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus
Christ the righteous; and he is the expiation for our sins, and not
for
ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
Michael Christ wrote:
Interesting that it doesn't say, 'when one sins', it says, 'if any one
does
sin'. Apparently the ones who are in the 'when one sins' department
declare
that everyone has to be like them.  .
Andrew wrote:
Why are you happy about the latter fact?
Michael Christ wrote:
Because there is no way they determine what it is like to be in the Lord.
Andrew wrote:
Your delighting in evil does not bode well for your brain.
You don't determine anyone's life but your own Andrew.
Try to let the Lord Jesus decide what is and what isn't in all the rest.
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Indeed - let JC appear and decide
DOn't lsiten to michael - even he now admits he is not worth listening
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| Michael Christ... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:59 pm |
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Andrew Chung doesn't decide much at all really.
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love8 at (no spam) thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:d7c93b1f-d9f6-482a-b584-ab4d9a2ef61e at (no spam) j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
[quote]Mike McClean wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Mike McClean wrote:
satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) wrote:
Dr. Chung do you sin?
"No."
Not while in the Holy Spirit.
Please provide examples of how often
"Zero."
and of what kind?
"None."
The word of the Lord in measure of the above:
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not
in
us.
The sin remains in the past as those of us who have stopped sinning by
being mindful of WDJW and doing what He wants remain sinners having
sin in our past.
Meanwhile the following is a recent explication of how born again
Christians can keep sinning though forgiven of all their sins:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/013d97011bed20f3?
Lying is sinning though Jimmy Alpha is forgiven.
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive
our
sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not
in
us.
Verity wrote:
My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not
sin;
but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus
Christ the righteous; and he is the expiation for our sins, and not
for
ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
Michael Christ wrote:
Interesting that it doesn't say, 'when one sins', it says, 'if any one
does
sin'. Apparently the ones who are in the 'when one sins' department
declare
that everyone has to be like them. .
Andrew wrote:
Why are you happy about the latter fact?
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Michael Christ wrote:
[quote]Because there is no way they determine what it is like to be in the Lord.
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Andrew wrote:
[quote]Your delighting in evil does not bode well for your brain.
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You don't determine anyone's life but your own Andrew.
Try to let the Lord Jesus decide what is and what isn't in all the rest.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:00 pm |
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Dr. Chung, do you sin?
If so,
Of what kind?
How often?
Do you confess them? |
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| Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:43 pm |
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| Michael Christ... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:15 am |
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Andrew Chung says:
[quote]"What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
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Unless you are perfect that is a message the Holy Spirit has given you for
you, Andy.
Michael Christ |
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| Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:45 am |
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| Michael Christ... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:09 am |
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Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
(snip obvious boldness)
How bold you are.
We obviously need to recognise you and give you praise, Andrew.
Michael Christ |
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| MoSn... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:59 am |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:15:25 -0600, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <NhOIm.52522$ze1.9220 at (no spam) news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
[quote]Andrew Chung says:
"What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
Unless you are perfect that is a message the Holy Spirit has given you for
you, Andy.
Michael Christ
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You cannot have a rational and sane discourse with someone who makes up
quotes from the Holy Spirit, ..... not sure which of you two is the bigger
ffool ..... the one who makes up these quotes or the one arguing with the one
making up the quotes. I would hope that at least one of you realizes the
folly and doing it for amusement .... but maybe not |
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| ThomM... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:06 am |
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On Nov 6, 4:01 pm, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL... at (no spam) Father.com> wrote:
[quote]"MoSn" <mosn... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C719960601A5CBC2B01AD9AF at (no spam) news.x-privat.org...
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:15:25 -0600, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <NhOIm.52522$ze1.9... at (no spam) news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
Andrew Chung says:
"What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
Unless you are perfect that is a message the Holy Spirit has given you
for
you, Andy.
Michael Christ
MoSn wrote:
You cannot have a rational and sane discourse with someone who makes up
quotes from the Holy Spirit, ..... not sure which of you two is the bigger
ffool ..... the one who makes up these quotes or the one arguing with the
one
making up the quotes. I would hope that at least one of you realizes the
folly and doing it for amusement .... but maybe not
There is nothing wrong with the quote of the Holy Spirit with Andrew, he
just has to learn that the Holy Spirit is speaking to him.
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THere is NOTHING you can prove is a statement of the HOLEY GHOST -
since you cannot prove the existence of it either.
One just must learn that this is HUMANS making it up for other humans
- ie - a fraud.
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If you think you do, then lets have them. Otherwise continue on you way in
your glory.
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Indeed - if YOU have proof of a Holey Ghost - by all means provide it
- or continue on your own way to oblivion
WE who have already been saved - know better. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:36 am |
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Dr. Chung, do you sin?
If so,
How often?
Of what kind?
Do you confess them? |
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| ThomM... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:03 pm |
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On Nov 6, 4:01 pm, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL... at (no spam) Father.com> wrote:
[quote]"MoSn" <mosn... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C719960601A5CBC2B01AD9AF at (no spam) news.x-privat.org...
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:15:25 -0600, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <NhOIm.52522$ze1.9... at (no spam) news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
Andrew Chung says:
"What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
Unless you are perfect that is a message the Holy Spirit has given you
for
you, Andy.
Michael Christ
MoSn wrote:
You cannot have a rational and sane discourse with someone who makes up
quotes from the Holy Spirit, ..... not sure which of you two is the bigger
ffool ..... the one who makes up these quotes or the one arguing with the
one
making up the quotes. I would hope that at least one of you realizes the
folly and doing it for amusement .... but maybe not
There is nothing wrong with the quote of the Holy Spirit with Andrew, he
just has to learn that the Holy Spirit is speaking to him.
You don't have all the answers, all the vision, all the understanding, or
all the knowledge for us.
If you think you do, then lets have them. Otherwise continue on you way in
your glory.
You peek in the window and you think you know something...that is the folly
of a 'fool'.
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Indeed - those who believe something - -but offer no PROOF of what
they say - are just fools
At least YOU admit you are one - |
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| ThomM... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:05 pm |
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On Nov 6, 4:38 pm, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL... at (no spam) Father.com> wrote:
[quote]ThomM wrote:
Indeed - if YOU have proof of a Holey Ghost - by all means provide it
- or continue on your own way to oblivion
Then we travel the same way, so what's your problem? Can't I live as I
choose in your glorious existence? I don't chase you around. What's the
matter, are you unhappy?
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No problem
Do you have a problem with me exposing YOU for the fraud you are?
[quote]ThomM wrote:
WE who have already been saved - know better.
You're saved are you?
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Yes - we are
YOU are the one who has to constantly LIE about your beliefs
WE don't |
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| ThomM... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:18 pm |
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On Nov 6, 4:38 pm, "Michael Christ" >
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You have no proof that there isn't a God!
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That does not establish that there is one.
That only puts gods in the same class as the easter bunny - santa
claus - leprechauns, and lots of other MYTHS and LEGENDS
The fraud of religion is that humans like you set the rules for others
- and in doing so break those same rules.
You tell us not to be judgemental - when you tell us we are not going
to be saved
You tell us not to lie - when you LIE all the time about things you
claim a god said that were never said by anyone but a human.
You say we have no proof of no gods - when in fact - you have NO proof
of them either.
And then you say you have PROOF - and never present any of it -
because you are again lying.
You claim the bible to be the word of a god - but pick and choose
among it for what you believe - and what you dismiss. Just look at the
different people here in this group to see just how different their
beliefs are.
And then you EACH claim that your personal way is the only way to be
saved - when in fact there is NOTHING to be saved from that you have
established - and more important - by making up your own religion -you
prove yours is HUMAN created.
You define what you want your god to be - and what you want him not to
be - often contradicting yourself in the effort. If there is ONLY ONE
CREATOR - it created BOTH good and evil - for example.
And since YOU are the one defining your gods - you establish the
definition as a human creation,.
If a god actually existed - it would have its own definition -
established for ALL
You could not get complete agreement from just the thiests in this
group alone - much less among the over 39,000 different sects of
christianity who are linked only by the title of one of their gods.
Those of us who are already saved from this nonsense can easily see
the FOLLY in what you say |
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| Michael Christ... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:01 pm |
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"MoSn" <mosnerd at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C719960601A5CBC2B01AD9AF at (no spam) news.x-privat.org...
[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:15:25 -0600, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <NhOIm.52522$ze1.9220 at (no spam) news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
Andrew Chung says:
"What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
Unless you are perfect that is a message the Holy Spirit has given you
for
you, Andy.
Michael Christ
[/quote]
MoSn wrote:
[quote]You cannot have a rational and sane discourse with someone who makes up
quotes from the Holy Spirit, ..... not sure which of you two is the bigger
ffool ..... the one who makes up these quotes or the one arguing with the
one
making up the quotes. I would hope that at least one of you realizes the
folly and doing it for amusement .... but maybe not
[/quote]
There is nothing wrong with the quote of the Holy Spirit with Andrew, he
just has to learn that the Holy Spirit is speaking to him.
You don't have all the answers, all the vision, all the understanding, or
all the knowledge for us.
If you think you do, then lets have them. Otherwise continue on you way in
your glory.
You peek in the window and you think you know something...that is the folly
of a 'fool'.
Michael Christ |
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| Michael Christ... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:38 pm |
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ThomM wrote:
[quote]Indeed - if YOU have proof of a Holey Ghost - by all means provide it
- or continue on your own way to oblivion
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Then we travel the same way, so what's your problem? Can't I live as I
choose in your glorious existence? I don't chase you around. What's the
matter, are you unhappy?
Its better to have some hope, however small, than to have none at all. That
is my thought. It may not be yours, but hey.
But you see its your motives that betray you, for if you were truly sincere
in your actions you would just live and let live, but you can't because in
reality you fight God. And if you want proof of that, I promise you, one
day you will have it and I promise you this also, you won't want it.
ThomM wrote:
[quote]WE who have already been saved - know better.
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You're saved are you? From what? From monotonous circular intellectually
challenged reasoning, and subsequent ad nauseum and repetitious argument?
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You have no proof that there isn't a God! If that not be true, then provide
the proof. That should be the end of the story, but not to you 'know better
geniuses'.
Michael Christ |
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