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| Davoud... |
 Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:08 pm |
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Nancy Burkett wrote:
[quote]After careful consideration and discussion with my husband and Lou
(Feeders), we have all decided to wipe the slate clean regarding a certain
member in this group. No more criticisms from any of us unless he himself
decides to provoke us in some way. The amount of time and effort expended
in anger and frustration simply isn't worth it and we will accept him as he
is for what he is and I say truthfully whatever that will be. On the whole,
he seems ok, maybe a bit outspoken at times I guess but in retrospect aren't
we all. My husband did end up with a much better job anyway, so perhaps our
anger was unjustified. Therefore Ed, Lou, and I agree to disagree in
certain ways regarding this member and we'll leave it at that.
I bid you all good day.
Nancy and Ed Burkett
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I can run but I can't hide. I was at a friend's house perusing SAA and
there you were, full of forgiveness and conciliation-- unless I
"decide" to provoke you in some way. You're never going to get this,
but I'll reiterate that I am not going to submit my thoughts to you for
censorship. I will continue to express my opinions where and as I see
fit. Your notion that I "decided" to provoke you -- when I didn't know
that you or Mr. Feeders existed -- smacks of some sort of paranoia. You
had a personal problem and I provided you with the opportunity to
externalize it, to blame it on someone.
I don't think that you get that I am _entitled_ to my beliefs; they are
not a privilege. Whether anyone else agrees is irrelevant. Whether my
beliefs are correct is irrelevant; I change my beliefs when I find that
I have been wrong. The right-wing lie machine calls that flip-flopping;
rational people call it doing the right thing.
Bearing in mind that I am not going to permit anyone to censor my
thoughts, I once more urge you to kill-file me. This is SAA. I have
_never_ posted anything of importance here. _No_ _one_ has ever posted
anything of importance here. Passing interest, yes; importance, no. For
importance you will have to look elsewhere.
I always post under the same identity, and my true name and a valid
e-mail address appear on every post. Rather than take offense when
people kill-file me, I make it easy for people to do so if they wish.
In addition to the usual filters for phony watches and the like I have
kill-filed about 75% of the people who post here, including you and Mr.
Feeders. Nothing personal in any case; I kill-file persons who I have
found do not write things of interest to me. To me it is no different
to not watching, say, a quilting show on TV. Nothing against quilts or
the quilter; quilting is just not my thing. Ditto Dobs, eyepiece
discussions, Celestrons, Meades, &c. Nothing against any of that, just
not my interest. It shouldn't surprise anyone, though, that when
someone carries on a 10-month vendetta against me for imagined wrongs
(you will recall that I deny having caused GM's problems) I will
kill-file that person even if they might otherwise have something of
interest to write about astronomy.
I removed you from my kill-file for the purpose of reading and replying
your post on my home machine. In a few hours you are going back into my
kill-file. Nothing personal.
Davoud
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I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.
usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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| Steve Paul... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:22 pm |
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Davoud wrote:
[quote]I am _entitled_ to my beliefs;
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It's not your beliefs that are offensive.
It's your presentation.
Welcome to the club. <g>
-Steve P. |
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| Nancy Burkett... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:29 pm |
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"Davoud" <star at (no spam) sky.net> wrote in message
news:061120091508323658%star at (no spam) sky.net...
[quote]
I can run but I can't hide. I was at a friend's house perusing SAA and
there you were, full of forgiveness and conciliation-- unless I
"decide" to provoke you in some way.
[/quote]
It's not forgiveness, it's agreeing to disagree, that's all.
You're never going to get this,
[quote]but I'll reiterate that I am not going to submit my thoughts to you for
censorship. I will continue to express my opinions where and as I see
fit. Your notion that I "decided" to provoke you -- when I didn't know
that you or Mr. Feeders existed -- smacks of some sort of paranoia. You
had a personal problem and I provided you with the opportunity to
externalize it, to blame it on someone.
[/quote]
You are allowed to express your opinion, yes, and so am I. That's why I
decded to give up on my argument. You will never change in this regard and
neither will I. I accept that and therefore won't be discussing the
tempermental issues.
[quote]I don't think that you get that I am _entitled_ to my beliefs; they are
not a privilege. Whether anyone else agrees is irrelevant. Whether my
beliefs are correct is irrelevant; I change my beliefs when I find that
I have been wrong. The right-wing lie machine calls that flip-flopping;
rational people call it doing the right thing.
[/quote]
I have recently come to realize that there aren't as many days ahead as
there once were and it's not worth sending my blood pressure soaring while
trying to drive my argument into the next dimension.
[quote]Bearing in mind that I am not going to permit anyone to censor my
thoughts, I once more urge you to kill-file me. This is SAA. I have
_never_ posted anything of importance here. _No_ _one_ has ever posted
anything of importance here. Passing interest, yes; importance, no. For
importance you will have to look elsewhere.
[/quote]
No longer necessary. If you say something I don't agree with, in 99% of the
cases I won't be responding. No more attacks from this end and my hardest
task was convincing Lou to do the same, but he now agrees also. I am the
amateur astronomer in the home and I am going to attempt to keep discussion
centered on that.
[quote]I always post under the same identity, and my true name and a valid
e-mail address appear on every post. Rather than take offense when
people kill-file me, I make it easy for people to do so if they wish.
In addition to the usual filters for phony watches and the like I have
kill-filed about 75% of the people who post here, including you and Mr.
Feeders. Nothing personal in any case; I kill-file persons who I have
found do not write things of interest to me. To me it is no different
to not watching, say, a quilting show on TV. Nothing against quilts or
the quilter; quilting is just not my thing. Ditto Dobs, eyepiece
discussions, Celestrons, Meades, &c. Nothing against any of that, just
not my interest. It shouldn't surprise anyone, though, that when
someone carries on a 10-month vendetta against me for imagined wrongs
(you will recall that I deny having caused GM's problems) I will
kill-file that person even if they might otherwise have something of
interest to write about astronomy.
[/quote]
Kill filing will no longer be necessary in either my or Lou's case, but feel
free to do so if you must.
[quote]I removed you from my kill-file for the purpose of reading and replying
your post on my home machine. In a few hours you are going back into my
kill-file. Nothing personal.
[/quote]
Nothing lost, nothing gained and no more high blood pressure. "Dr. Nancy's"
orders!
Nancy
[quote]Davoud
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I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything
that
you will say in your entire life.
usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm[/quote] |
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| Davoud... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:24 pm |
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Nancy Burkett:
[quote]I have recently come to realize that there aren't as many days ahead as
there once were and it's not worth sending my blood pressure soaring while
trying to drive my argument into the next dimension.
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Now you are beginning to make sense.
I wish you nothing but good luck and clear black skies.
Davoud
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I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.
usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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| Nancy Burkett... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:48 pm |
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"Davoud" <star at (no spam) sky.net> wrote in message
news:061120091924211665%star at (no spam) sky.net...
[quote]Now you are beginning to make sense.
I wish you nothing but good luck and clear black skies.
Davoud
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Thanks, mind if I ask what kind(s) of scopes you use? Since Ed got a job,
I've been starting to look around for another scope. I used to have a C14,
but it was very old. Liked it, but way to big and no I didn't have an
observatory so we had to set up regularly which wasn't fun. Something more
portable, looking at maybe an 8-10" Dob, SCT, etc.
Nancy
[quote]--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything
that
you will say in your entire life.
usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm[/quote] |
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| Davoud... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:31 pm |
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In article <hd2g60$88e$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org>,
<nburkett45887 at (no spam) erols.com> wrote:
Davoud:
[quote]Now you are beginning to make sense.
I wish you nothing but good luck and clear black skies.
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Nancy Burkett:
[quote]Thanks, mind if I ask what kind(s) of scopes you use? Since Ed got a job,
I've been starting to look around for another scope. I used to have a C14,
but it was very old. Liked it, but way to big and no I didn't have an
observatory so we had to set up regularly which wasn't fun. Something more
portable, looking at maybe an 8-10" Dob, SCT, etc.
[/quote]
Having an observatory is everything. I'm a wannabe astrophotographer
but it's an uphill battle in the Mid Atlantic, especially over the past
two years. Clouds, light pollution, contrails from the east-coast
fighter CAP (combat air patrols), smog, or all at once.
This is my tiny observatory
<http://www.primordial-light.com/observatory.html>.
And these are the 'scopes that I am currently using
<http://www.primordial-light.com/technique.html>.
Davoud
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I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.
usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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| Nancy Burkett... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:46 pm |
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"Davoud" <star at (no spam) sky.net> wrote in message
news:061120092231179917%star at (no spam) sky.net...
[quote]
Having an observatory is everything.
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Yes, that's a certainty. We tried everything to make set up with the C14
easier. Ed and one of our sons used to carry everything into place at
first, but then we were caught in rain several times. We would cover
everything but there's something about the process that told us that such
protection was never enough. Then Ed built a dolly/ cart based on some
plans on the web. The idea was to set the entire scope and mount into place
and just wheel it wherever we wanted to go. That turned out to be a near
disaster when pushing across the ground on the first try and everything
nearly "tripped". Ed had spent weeks making it, but it was still too top
heavy and unstable. So we just accepted lugging everything back and forth
everytime and of course I hardly ever used the scope as a result. If I
settle on an SCT again, it will be MUCH smaller.
I'm a wannabe astrophotographer
[quote]but it's an uphill battle in the Mid Atlantic, especially over the past
two years. Clouds, light pollution, contrails from the east-coast
fighter CAP (combat air patrols), smog, or all at once.
This is my tiny observatory
http://www.primordial-light.com/observatory.html>.
And these are the 'scopes that I am currently using
http://www.primordial-light.com/technique.html>.
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Wow, you have some nice scopes there especially the Takahashi. Only drives
home the point about having an observatory.
Nancy
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Davoud
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I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything
that
you will say in your entire life.
usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm[/quote] |
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| Stu Dent... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:03 pm |
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You have your own island? Is it always shrouded in fog?
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Having an observatory is everything. I'm a wannabe astrophotographer
but it's an uphill battle in the Mid Atlantic,[/quote] |
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