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| Robert... |
 Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:26 am |
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This latest news item is sure to stir up controversy.
We all (or all decent humans) agree that child abuse is horrific, and
that the murder of a child is beyond horrific if a society tolerates
it.
This is from New Zealand, and while some may see in it a radical
leftist or rightist agenda (sometimes the twain coincide), it bears
sober reflection, not knee-jerk reflexion.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26280864-401,00.html
• Pay problem parents not to breed, mayor says.
• Some people just shouldn't have kids, he says
AN outspoken Kiwi politician has proposed a new solution to the
country's child abuse problem - pay the "appalling underclass" not to
breed.
Michael Laws - who stirred up controversy by calling the late Tongan
King a "bloated brown slug'' - has again hit the headlines.
"That there is a group within our society who give their children no
hope nor opportunity from the moment that they are born," the regional
mayor wrote on the New Zealand radio website where he broadcasts as a
talkback DJ.
"That these ‘parents’ are known to authorities ... and yet the
authorities can only intervene after children have been harmed."
Mr Laws goes on to write: "it would be far better for this appalling
underclass to be offered financial inducements not to have children,
given the toxic environment that they would provide for any child in
their care."
The mayor believes "the consequent financial and social savings to our
community would be considerable.
"There are too many people who should not have children."
Mr Laws said a report in New Zealand's Dominion-Post newspaper
yesterday had incorrectly attributed the view to him that all those
who got welfare should be sterilised.
Mr Laws wrote on the website "that most welfare beneficiaries are good
parents" but it was the problem ones who should be offered money not
to breed.
Yesterday's Dominion-Post newspaper quotes him as saying: "If we gave
$10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily sterilise you'
then all of society would be better off,'' he told the .
"There'd be less dead children and less social problems.''
He was commenting on the latest death of a toddler, two-year-old Karl
Perigo-Check, who was the son of a convicted murderer and gang
member.
New Zealand is placed third among OECD nations for child deaths due to
maltreatment, four spots ahead of Australia, according to UNICEF.
It is ranked fifth for both child beatings and sexual abuse, again
several places ahead of its antipodean neighbour.
Mr Laws argued that "liberal methods'' of beating the problem had
failed.
But his "solution'' has been branded "draconian'' and "totalitarian''
by the country's child health advocates who are calling for him to
stand down as a city mayor.
"I just find it such a disgraceful attitude,'' Child Poverty Action
Group director Janfrie Wakim said.
"It's hard to comprehend that an intelligent man who's leading a city
is making such reprehensible suggestions.''
This is just the latest controversy for Mr Laws, who last month hit
headlines for bullying primary school children.
The indigenous children had written to the mayor to express annoyance
that he refused to make a subtle spelling change to the name of the
North Island town, Wanganui, to make it historically correct.
But Laws, a fierce critic of the name change, took exception to the
letters, replying: "There are so many deficiencies of both fact and
logic in your letters that I barely know where to start''.
He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write
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| Giga... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:09 am |
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"Robert" <RobertArvay at (no spam) msn.com> wrote in message
news:f84480bc-3936-4466-8d19-ffeac0545ca2 at (no spam) m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
This latest news item is sure to stir up controversy.
We all (or all decent humans) agree that child abuse is horrific, and
that the murder of a child is beyond horrific if a society tolerates
it.
This is from New Zealand, and while some may see in it a radical
leftist or rightist agenda (sometimes the twain coincide), it bears
sober reflection, not knee-jerk reflexion.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26280864-401,00.html
• Pay problem parents not to breed, mayor says.
=One problem might be that people who wanted to be sterlised anyway would
try to qualify for this payment by becoming social nusiances or whatever the
standards are. Maybe in this age of over population and probable climate
change maybe anyone who volutarily gets sterilaised should be incentivised? |
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| Sir Frederick... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:55 pm |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:26:22 -0800 (PST), Robert <RobertArvay at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:
[quote]This latest news item is sure to stir up controversy.
We all (or all decent humans) agree that child abuse is horrific, and
that the murder of a child is beyond horrific if a society tolerates
it.
This is from New Zealand, and while some may see in it a radical
leftist or rightist agenda (sometimes the twain coincide), it bears
sober reflection, not knee-jerk reflexion.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26280864-401,00.html
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When it comes to breeding, humans are manifestly insane, not just
subtly so, as everywhere else. Extinction or evolution are the only
ways out. Personal management is not available. |
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| Red Celt... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:21 pm |
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On 2009-11-05 14:26:22 +0000, Robert <RobertArvay at (no spam) msn.com> said:
[quote]the murder of a child is beyond horrific if a society tolerates
it.
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That would all depend upon the age of the child.
See Michael Tooley.
--
Red Celt
a.a. #883
Humanist, atheist, misanthrope, Bright |
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| ZerkonXXXX... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:02 am |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:26:22 -0800, Robert wrote:
[quote]We all (or all decent humans) agree that child abuse is horrific, and
that the murder of a child is beyond horrific if a society tolerates it.
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Except of course if you bomb them, then this "Moral and Philosophical
Quandary" just goes away.
Hersh: children raped at Abu Ghraib, Pentagon has videos
http://boingboing.net/2004/07/15/hersh-children-raped.html |
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| Giga... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:47 am |
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"ZerkonXXXX" <Z at (no spam) erkonx.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.11.08.16.02.33 at (no spam) erkonx.net...
[quote]On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:26:22 -0800, Robert wrote:
We all (or all decent humans) agree that child abuse is horrific, and
that the murder of a child is beyond horrific if a society tolerates it.
Except of course if you bomb them, then this "Moral and Philosophical
Quandary" just goes away.
Hersh: children raped at Abu Ghraib, Pentagon has videos
http://boingboing.net/2004/07/15/hersh-children-raped.html
There is no deliberate attempt to hurt children, or indeed any[/quote]
non-combatants. In fact every reasonable effort is made avoid this. |
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