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| Giga... |
 Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:58 am |
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"Errol" <vs.errol at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 5, 2:24 pm, Zinnic <zeenr... at (no spam) gate.net> wrote:
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=Isn't that what self-awareness is in a way? Also don't we already use
various devices to enhance our brain function like written words,
diaries,
computers etc
All theoretically limited to the Universe
[/quote]
Robert, the OP seems to have posted and ran, so tacked this on to your
posting
Welcome back by the way
From an article
Reinventing Humanity
The Future of Human-Machine Intelligence by Ray Kurzweil
"Ray Kurzweil sees a radical evolution of the human species in the
next 40 years. The merger of man and machine, coupled with the sudden
explosion in machine intelligence and rapid innovation in gene
research and nanotechnology, will result in a world where there is no
distinction between the biological and the mechanical, or between
physical and virtual reality.
Brain implants based on massively distributed intelligent nanobots
will greatly expand our memories and otherwise vastly improve all of
our sensory, pattern-recognition, and cognitive abilities. Since the
nanobots will be communicating with one another, they will be able to
create any set of new neural connections, break existing connections
(by suppressing neural firing), create new hybrid biological and
computer networks, and add completely mechanical networks, as well as
interface intimately with new computer programs and artificial
intelligences."
Wow sounds so feasible. Nanobots operating as neural routers/network
appendages Hope I can get one soon.
=Not sure if I want some giant nano-bot corporation being responsible for
programming *me*! Actally I am sure, no fudging way! |
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| ZerkonXXXX... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:00 am |
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:38:41 -0800, Robert wrote:
[quote]In the second case, if we are intrinsically incapable of extending our
knowledge beyond certain predetermined limits
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you do not see the contradiction in this statement?
[quote]How Much Can the Human Brain Really Know?
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The brain knows nothing. Has never known anything and is incapable of
knowing anything ever. It is the human organism that knows, the brain
being a part of this.
What does "incorporate" really mean? Have implanted? If so, by whom and
why?
This stupid arrogance of "we now know all we can really know" is TV
think. It is an excuse. We now do not even know what people 100 years ago
took for granted as standard intelligence. Most 'we' can not even locate
countries they also hate and pay to bomb much less what countries they
border. Most 'we' have no idea what another language is nor want to.
People called scientist are so locked into corporate and government
funding, they do and 'find' what they are told and paid to do and find,
scientific purpose has become nothing more than another profit stream.
AI? Sure, AI your way into consumption and obedience. This is not about
universal understanding or 'big' anything. It is a ploy to make the
dumber ever more so.
Let me translate: Who is going to make this AI, the good neuro science
elves who will save us all? |
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| John Jones... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:12 pm |
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Robert wrote:
[quote]Dr Leon Lederman is a physicist known for his research into the
theorized Higgs boson, which is so elemental to unified field theory,
that it has come to be called, even by atheists, the "God Particle."
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erg .. are we going to start exaggerating from the off then?
[quote]
In Lederman's book by the same title, he briefly questions whether the
human brain is even capable of understanding the basics of physical
science much beyond what we already have achieved.
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That's silly. Why say it? Why say '"this" is something we'll never
understand'? How else do we know what is meant by "this"?
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(To be sure, my own brain reached that threshhold years ago.)
Lederman only touches on this idea, but his mere mention of it is
significant. How will humans react if one day we discover that our
finite brains cannot encompass the (virtually, at least) infinite
complexity of the physical universe?
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This is exoteric science, with custard pie fights.
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Some thinkers have suggested that there is an infinite regression of
ever more fundamental, subatomic components.
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They haven't suggested it. They've strung words together and told us
they mean something.
All this stuff is fringe science that announces new developments in a
philosophically and grammatically brain dead era.
My advice is not to be taken in by empty superlatives. |
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| Zinnic... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:35 am |
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On Nov 5, 8:58 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
[quote]"Errol" <vs.er... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5c369dae-5e60-48a6-b479-7065972a22e3 at (no spam) m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 2:24 pm,Zinnic<zeenr... at (no spam) gate.net> wrote:
=Isn't that what self-awareness is in a way? Also don't we already use
various devices to enhance our brain function like written words,
diaries,
computers etc
All theoretically limited to the Universe
Robert, the OP seems to have posted and ran, so tacked this on to your
posting
Welcome back by the way
[/quote]
Thanks for noticing my absence :-)
[quote]From an article
Reinventing Humanity
The Future of Human-Machine Intelligence by Ray Kurzweil
"Ray Kurzweil sees a radical evolution of the human species in the
next 40 years. The merger of man and machine, coupled with the sudden
explosion in machine intelligence and rapid innovation in gene
research and nanotechnology, will result in a world where there is no
distinction between the biological and the mechanical, or between
physical and virtual reality.
Brain implants based on massively distributed intelligent nanobots
will greatly expand our memories and otherwise vastly improve all of
our sensory, pattern-recognition, and cognitive abilities. Since the
nanobots will be communicating with one another, they will be able to
create any set of new neural connections, break existing connections
(by suppressing neural firing), create new hybrid biological and
computer networks, and add completely mechanical networks, as well as
interface intimately with new computer programs and artificial
intelligences."
Wow sounds so feasible. Nanobots operating as neural routers/network
appendages Hope I can get one soon.
=Not sure if I want some giant nano-bot corporation being responsible for
programming *me*! Actally I am sure, no fudging way!
[/quote]
IMO nanobots will be simply an extension of the human capacity to
develop tools that facilitate control of the environment. I see no
discontinuity in a progression from the simple lever thru the plough,
engines and computers to conscious robots.
For me, the limitation of mind lies in the fact that I experience a
disconcerting 'boggle' at the possibility that the Universe is
limited. It seems as contradictory to me as the possibilities that
infinity is limited and that a snake cann swallow itself whole. 
Regards, Zinnic |
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| Zinnic... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:46 am |
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On Nov 6, 11:36 am, bunny <rel... at (no spam) nospam.com> wrote:
[quote]Suicide is the brain stepping outside of. Just imagining that there are
things we can't imagine is the brain stepping outside of itself. My dog
can't do that.
You are correct if something other than the brain is "just imagining".[/quote]
Tell me about it! |
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| bunny... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:36 pm |
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Suicide is the brain stepping outside of. Just imagining that there are
things we can't imagine is the brain stepping outside of itself. My dog
can't do that.
rK |
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| Giga... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:44 am |
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"Zinnic" <zeenric2 at (no spam) gate.net> wrote in message
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On Nov 5, 8:58 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
[quote]"Errol" <vs.er... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5c369dae-5e60-48a6-b479-7065972a22e3 at (no spam) m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 2:24 pm,Zinnic<zeenr... at (no spam) gate.net> wrote:
=Isn't that what self-awareness is in a way? Also don't we already use
various devices to enhance our brain function like written words,
diaries,
computers etc
All theoretically limited to the Universe
Robert, the OP seems to have posted and ran, so tacked this on to your
posting
Welcome back by the way
[/quote]
Thanks for noticing my absence :-)
[quote]From an article
Reinventing Humanity
The Future of Human-Machine Intelligence by Ray Kurzweil
"Ray Kurzweil sees a radical evolution of the human species in the
next 40 years. The merger of man and machine, coupled with the sudden
explosion in machine intelligence and rapid innovation in gene
research and nanotechnology, will result in a world where there is no
distinction between the biological and the mechanical, or between
physical and virtual reality.
Brain implants based on massively distributed intelligent nanobots
will greatly expand our memories and otherwise vastly improve all of
our sensory, pattern-recognition, and cognitive abilities. Since the
nanobots will be communicating with one another, they will be able to
create any set of new neural connections, break existing connections
(by suppressing neural firing), create new hybrid biological and
computer networks, and add completely mechanical networks, as well as
interface intimately with new computer programs and artificial
intelligences."
Wow sounds so feasible. Nanobots operating as neural routers/network
appendages Hope I can get one soon.
=Not sure if I want some giant nano-bot corporation being responsible for
programming *me*! Actally I am sure, no fudging way!
[/quote]
IMO nanobots will be simply an extension of the human capacity to
develop tools that facilitate control of the environment. I see no
discontinuity in a progression from the simple lever thru the plough,
engines and computers to conscious robots.
For me, the limitation of mind lies in the fact that I experience a
disconcerting 'boggle' at the possibility that the Universe is
limited. It seems as contradictory to me as the possibilities that
infinity is limited and that a snake cann swallow itself whole.
Regards, Zinnic
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