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| Archimedes Plutonium... |
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But let me ask a different question. Can Denmark set up Leyden jars?
Industrial
size leyden jars to store electricity? Or are Leyden Jars a poor
storage of electricity?
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How silly of me. Come to think of it, a Leyden jar is a capacitor is
a
battery. And I suppose lithium ion batteries are the world's most
advanced battery and thus the most advanced Leyden jar. So the
answer seems to be clear. To build a gigantic Lithium battery the
size of a huge building and which the excess electricity of the
windmills goes into charging this gigantic lithium battery.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
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| Poutnik... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:49 pm |
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In article <4c771e27-acd3-43d9-912d-ad3a9775cde9
at (no spam) d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, plutonium.archimedes at (no spam) gmail.com says...
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Li and Na sources are not like oil and gas
we can take energy from them.
All energy in Li or Nas based electrical systems
must be first stored in them.
Either electricaly, either by chemical preparation.
What you can take is what you have given, not more.
But, on the other hand,
they are recoverable, in opposite to oil.
When cell is old, there is still Lithium inside.
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Poutnik
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| Archimedes Plutonium... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:00 pm |
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Poutnik wrote:
[quote]In article <faa41dad-bac7-4bf8-9a90-94dff516fd34
at (no spam) f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, plutonium.archimedes at (no spam) gmail.com says...
How silly of me. Come to think of it, a Leyden jar is a capacitor is
a
battery. And I suppose lithium ion batteries are the world's most
advanced battery and thus the most advanced Leyden jar. So the
answer seems to be clear. To build a gigantic Lithium battery the
size of a huge building and which the excess electricity of the
windmills goes into charging this gigantic lithium battery.
Did you count that electricity from rechargeable cells
is about 2 order more expensive than from power lines ?
And electricity from rechargeable cells is still
about 2 orders cheaper then from primary one time cell ?
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Poutnik
The best depends on how the best is defined.
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Do you realize that we are not concerned with cost, but to storage
excess electrical
power when the wind is blowing. Your frame of mind is on a wrong
track. What Denmark
wants to realize is to save excess power when the wind is blowing. |
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| Poutnik... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:15 pm |
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In article <faa41dad-bac7-4bf8-9a90-94dff516fd34
at (no spam) f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, plutonium.archimedes at (no spam) gmail.com says...
[quote]
How silly of me. Come to think of it, a Leyden jar is a capacitor is
a
battery. And I suppose lithium ion batteries are the world's most
advanced battery and thus the most advanced Leyden jar. So the
answer seems to be clear. To build a gigantic Lithium battery the
size of a huge building and which the excess electricity of the
windmills goes into charging this gigantic lithium battery.
Did you count that electricity from rechargeable cells[/quote]
is about 2 order more expensive than from power lines ?
And electricity from rechargeable cells is still
about 2 orders cheaper then from primary one time cell ?
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Poutnik
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| Archimedes Plutonium... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:47 pm |
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
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That why be built this:
http://www.fhc.co.uk/dinorwig.htm
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Dirk
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Interesting, but I do not see windturbines on Denmarks ocean coasts
able to
pump water since there is no mountain elevation to create a water
turbine. |
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| Dirk Bruere at NeoPax... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:04 pm |
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Poutnik wrote:
[quote]In article <faa41dad-bac7-4bf8-9a90-94dff516fd34
at (no spam) f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, plutonium.archimedes at (no spam) gmail.com says...
How silly of me. Come to think of it, a Leyden jar is a capacitor is
a
battery. And I suppose lithium ion batteries are the world's most
advanced battery and thus the most advanced Leyden jar. So the
answer seems to be clear. To build a gigantic Lithium battery the
size of a huge building and which the excess electricity of the
windmills goes into charging this gigantic lithium battery.
Did you count that electricity from rechargeable cells
is about 2 order more expensive than from power lines ?
And electricity from rechargeable cells is still
about 2 orders cheaper then from primary one time cell ?
That why be built this:[/quote]
http://www.fhc.co.uk/dinorwig.htm
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Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show |
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| Poutnik... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:28 pm |
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In article <4b6988f2-3ede-4fbe-9557-d1fede97d4a4
at (no spam) j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, plutonium.archimedes at (no spam) gmail.com says...
[quote]
Do you realize that we are not concerned with cost, but to storage
excess electrical
power when the wind is blowing. Your frame of mind is on a wrong
track. What Denmark
wants to realize is to save excess power when the wind is blowing.
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We ? Are you sure you can speak for the Denmark ?
Storing energy not concerning cost is foolishness.
Much more effective and cheaper solution is
to sell electric power to other countries
if wind is blowing, and to buy if not.
Or, converting electricity to thermal energy or potencial water energy.
the latter is not obviously applicable to Denmark.
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Poutnik
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| Poutnik... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:56 am |
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In article <MPG.255ebe6f9ff6470b989861 at (no spam) 127.0.0.1>, me at (no spam) privacy.net
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Or, converting electricity to thermal energy......
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Using of wind born electricity
to heating underground media basins
has an advantage to existing solar heating of it.
In cold season there is less of light, but more of wind.
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Poutnik
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| Autymn D. C.... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:25 pm |
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On Nov 4, 10:36 am, Benj <bjac... at (no spam) iwaynet.net> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 2:39 am, "Androcles" <Headmas... at (no spam) Hogwarts.physics_p> wrote:
============================================> > If you have Google Earth you can active "Weather" and see for
yourself, using the changing cloud patterns, just how much wind
is blowing across the North Sea for England, Scotland, Wales,
the Netherlands and Denmark. There is even an animation feature,
although you need to be patient with it.
http://tinyurl.com/ylew394
Contrary to popular belief among Yanks, the USA is not the centre
of the world. So yeah, wind and wave power is the answer, but not
for energy hungry American land-lubbers.
Gawd I love it when I disagree with Jocaby!
A lot of wind may blow across the North Sea but you need to compare
that to the amount of energy that flows out of an oil pipeline. And
look at how thin the blades are on "modern" bird-killing "turbines"!
Crap, most of the wind is going right through doing nothing! Compare
to ancient Dutch jobbies!
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thin -> slim
http://google.com/groups?q=%22a+cloud+is+thin%22
[quote]And actually the USA IS the center (note correct spelling) of the
world... at least until China takes the title...
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Correct spelling is centron, Hellènic for ecklen, or its stem-
buddies. -er is injustifact: there is no operative or frequentative
in centron; its ending meseems is instrumental [accusative], thus
ecklen in English. Centre is fine. ("sènt[w]r" is still not.)
-Aut
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:04 pm |
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Benj <bjacoby at (no spam) iwaynet.net> wrote:
[quote]Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archime... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
I was watching a TV program tonight about how Copenhagen Denmark
was ambitiously going to have all electric cars using windmill
generation.
It may make sense in Denmark, though I doubt it. Most of this wind
power talk is pure bullshit. There is NOT enough wind power out there
to solve ANY energy problems.
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If there isn't enough windpower to supply as much enegy as we want, but
it comes out cheaper than the second-best solution, then it makes sense
to push it even though it won't be a complete solution.
What bothers me is the possibility of rare storms that damage the
equipment. We really don't have a handle on just how rare those storms
will be, so it's easy to assume that wind power will be more profitable
than it actually turns out over the decades. I don't see any real
solution to this -- the best estimates are still our best estimates even
if they aren't very good, and I can't in good conscience argue that the
damage will be worse than expected. But there's a strong possibility
that repair costs will turn out significantly higher than expected, and
it's hard to factor that possibility into investment decisions. |
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| Androcles... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:19 am |
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"Jonah Thomas" <jethomas5 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:20091115230406.39c0d6a7.jethomas5 at (no spam) gmail.com...
[quote]Benj <bjacoby at (no spam) iwaynet.net> wrote:
Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archime... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
I was watching a TV program tonight about how Copenhagen Denmark
was ambitiously going to have all electric cars using windmill
generation.
It may make sense in Denmark, though I doubt it. Most of this wind
power talk is pure bullshit. There is NOT enough wind power out there
to solve ANY energy problems.
If there isn't enough windpower to supply as much enegy as we want, but
it comes out cheaper than the second-best solution, then it makes sense
to push it even though it won't be a complete solution.
What bothers me is the possibility of rare storms that damage the
equipment. We really don't have a handle on just how rare those storms
will be, so it's easy to assume that wind power will be more profitable
than it actually turns out over the decades. I don't see any real
solution to this -- the best estimates are still our best estimates even
if they aren't very good, and I can't in good conscience argue that the
damage will be worse than expected. But there's a strong possibility
that repair costs will turn out significantly higher than expected, and
it's hard to factor that possibility into investment decisions.
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"Winds of 100mph battered the south coast today as the UK experienced its
worst storm this year."
From Times Online
November 14, 2009
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6917042.ece
No wind turbines were harmed in this message. |
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