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| Frogwatch... |
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I sometimes like alternate histories but Amazon sent me this:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0345502892/ref=pe_606_13514990_pe_ar_v1
for a new Birmingham book. I did not like his "Weapons of Choice"
about a fleet of US/British/Aussie ships somehow transported back in
time to the Battle of Midway because the amazing coincidence of this
happening is never explained. SOME coincidences are ok in fiction but
not something so implausible as to require you to accept some sort of
Deus ex Mechina that never appears again. Even worse, the mechanism
that somehow transported the US ships into the Battle of Midway also
somehow transported a ship into a mountain in New Guenia causing me to
ask "Huh, one ship appears inside a mountain but the others somehow
appear on the waters surface?" The author should at least try to make
his mechanism consistent. |
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:49 am |
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On Nov 4, 10:39 am, Frogwatch <ohara... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
[quote]I sometimes like alternate histories but Amazon sent me this:http://www.amazon.com/dp/0345502892/ref=pe_606_13514990_pe_ar_v1
for a new Birmingham book. I did not like his "Weapons of Choice"
about a fleet of US/British/Aussie ships somehow transported back in
time to the Battle of Midway because the amazing coincidence of this
happening is never explained. SOME coincidences are ok in fiction but
not something so implausible as to require you to accept some sort of
Deus ex Mechina that never appears again. Even worse, the mechanism
that somehow transported the US ships into the Battle of Midway also
somehow transported a ship into a mountain in New Guenia causing me to
ask "Huh, one ship appears inside a mountain but the others somehow
appear on the waters surface?" The author should at least try to make
his mechanism consistent.
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:45 am |
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On Nov 4, 12:32 pm, Dennis <tsalagi18NOS... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Frogwatch wrote:
I sometimes like alternate histories but Amazon sent me this:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0345502892/ref=pe_606_13514990_pe_ar_v1
for a new Birmingham book. I did not like his "Weapons of Choice"
about a fleet of US/British/Aussie ships somehow transported back in
time to the Battle of Midway because the amazing coincidence of this
happening is never explained. SOME coincidences are ok in fiction but
not something so implausible as to require you to accept some sort of
Deus ex Mechina that never appears again. Even worse, the mechanism
that somehow transported the US ships into the Battle of Midway also
somehow transported a ship into a mountain in New Guenia causing me to
ask "Huh, one ship appears inside a mountain but the others somehow
appear on the waters surface?" The author should at least try to make
his mechanism consistent.
This sounds like "The Final Countdown," a movie involving the US CVN
Nimitz and Pearl Harbor's Kido Butai.
Dennis
[/quote]
Different in that in that future armada are ships from various
countries that had been involved in WWII. Each ship ends up in a
different area and some of the crews are forced or volunteer into the
service of their "former" country. Three volume story with a bit of
Harry Turtledove writing.
Volume 1 http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2007/06/weapons-of-choice-by-john-birmingham.html
Volume 2 http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2009/01/designated-targets-by-john-birmingham.html
Volume 3 http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2009/01/final-impact-by-john-birmingham.html |
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| Ray O'Hara... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:19 pm |
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"Frogwatch" <ohara5.0 at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:7a5c2677-fff4-4687-b1c7-1a1574e6d769 at (no spam) g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
[quote]I sometimes like alternate histories but Amazon sent me this:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0345502892/ref=pe_606_13514990_pe_ar_v1
for a new Birmingham book. I did not like his "Weapons of Choice"
about a fleet of US/British/Aussie ships somehow transported back in
time to the Battle of Midway because the amazing coincidence of this
happening is never explained. SOME coincidences are ok in fiction but
not something so implausible as to require you to accept some sort of
Deus ex Mechina that never appears again. Even worse, the mechanism
that somehow transported the US ships into the Battle of Midway also
somehow transported a ship into a mountain in New Guenia causing me to
ask "Huh, one ship appears inside a mountain but the others somehow
appear on the waters surface?" The author should at least try to make
his mechanism consistent.
[/quote]
what would these ships do to "change" history.
the USN won Midway anyway. |
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| Dennis... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:32 pm |
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Frogwatch wrote:
[quote]I sometimes like alternate histories but Amazon sent me this:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0345502892/ref=pe_606_13514990_pe_ar_v1
for a new Birmingham book. I did not like his "Weapons of Choice"
about a fleet of US/British/Aussie ships somehow transported back in
time to the Battle of Midway because the amazing coincidence of this
happening is never explained. SOME coincidences are ok in fiction but
not something so implausible as to require you to accept some sort of
Deus ex Mechina that never appears again. Even worse, the mechanism
that somehow transported the US ships into the Battle of Midway also
somehow transported a ship into a mountain in New Guenia causing me to
ask "Huh, one ship appears inside a mountain but the others somehow
appear on the waters surface?" The author should at least try to make
his mechanism consistent.
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This sounds like "The Final Countdown," a movie involving the US CVN
Nimitz and Pearl Harbor's Kido Butai.
Dennis |
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| dott.Piergiorgio... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:34 pm |
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Ray O'Hara ha scritto:
[quote]"Frogwatch" <ohara5.0 at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote in message
I sometimes like alternate histories but Amazon sent me this:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0345502892/ref=pe_606_13514990_pe_ar_v1
for a new Birmingham book. I did not like his "Weapons of Choice"
about a fleet of US/British/Aussie ships somehow transported back in
time to the Battle of Midway because the amazing coincidence of this
happening is never explained.
[/quote]
[snip]
[quote]what would these ships do to "change" history.
the USN won Midway anyway.
[/quote]
well, these ships (esp. certain types of US ships) can shorten
drastically the war (for example, giving straight the end results of the
Manhattan Project) so, in absence of a synopsis of the book, I can guess
that the plot is around avoiding altering drastically & dramatically the
History (like Star trek's Prime Directive) and how the stranded crewmen
cope with 1940s mindset & culture (for example, sexuality & musical tastes)
So, where we can read a plot synopsis ?
Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio. |
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| Dennis... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:55 pm |
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| dott.Piergiorgio... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:03 am |
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Dennis ha scritto:
[quote] This sounds like "The Final Countdown," a movie involving the US CVN
Nimitz and Pearl Harbor's Kido Butai.
[/quote]
Or "Zipang", a japanese Manga/Anime with the same setting, but flag
reversed, about an Atago-class DDG back in the eve of PH and making big
mess in the Solomons & attempting to drive Imperial Japan to where
resources are actually available, in Manchuria...
Of course, there are also the Yamato, the Savo Battle, and the Atago DDG
misidentified for the *other* Atago class ;)
Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio. |
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| frank... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:42 pm |
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On Nov 7, 10:03 am, "dott.Piergiorgio"
<dott.PiergiorgioNI... at (no spam) KAIGUN.fastwebnet.it> wrote:
[quote]Dennis ha scritto:
This sounds like "The Final Countdown," a movie involving the US CVN
Nimitz and Pearl Harbor's Kido Butai.
Or "Zipang", a japanese Manga/Anime with the same setting, but flag
reversed, about an Atago-class DDG back in the eve of PH and making big
mess in the Solomons & attempting to drive Imperial Japan to where
resources are actually available, in Manchuria...
Of course, there are also the Yamato, the Savo Battle, and the Atago DDG
misidentified for the *other* Atago class ;)
Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.
[/quote]
Google Yamato, seems there's a sub scale model built for a Japanese
movie that's used as a museum set in Japan. I think it finally is
opened to the public. I can't think of another ship that seems to have
captured the imagination so much that did absolutely nothing in a
conflict. Well, ok, probably looked neat tied up at dock...(sort of
like the capital fleets in WWI).
If you were ever in Japan, the Uraga docks that were right up next to
Yokosuka are now closed (as of 2007 or something like that). Used to
be the first thing you saw after driving through the 7 tunnels to get
there. And in WWII all the local lesser beings were prohibited from
getting past the first tunnel. |
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:51 pm |
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On Nov 7, 6:42 pm, frank <dhssresearc... at (no spam) netscape.net> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 7, 10:03 am, "dott.Piergiorgio"
dott.PiergiorgioNI... at (no spam) KAIGUN.fastwebnet.it> wrote:
Dennis ha scritto:
This sounds like "The Final Countdown," a movie involving the US CVN
Nimitz and Pearl Harbor's Kido Butai.
Or "Zipang", a japanese Manga/Anime with the same setting, but flag
reversed, about an Atago-class DDG back in the eve of PH and making big
mess in the Solomons & attempting to drive Imperial Japan to where
resources are actually available, in Manchuria...
Of course, there are also the Yamato, the Savo Battle, and the Atago DDG
misidentified for the *other* Atago class ;)
Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.
Google Yamato, seems there's a sub scale model built for a Japanese
movie that's used as a museum set in Japan. I think it finally is
opened to the public. I can't think of another ship that seems to have
captured the imagination so much that did absolutely nothing in a
conflict. Well, ok, probably looked neat tied up at dock...(sort of
like the capital fleets in WWI).
If you were ever in Japan, the Uraga docks that were right up next to
Yokosuka are now closed (as of 2007 or something like that). Used to
be the first thing you saw after driving through the 7 tunnels to get
there. And in WWII all the local lesser beings were prohibited from
getting past the first tunnel.
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http://www.battleshipyamato.info/wreck.html |
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| Jeffrey Hamilton... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:04 pm |
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Dennis wrote:
[quote]dott.Piergiorgio wrote:
So, where we can read a plot synopsis ?
Jack L. gave this, which is good:
http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2007/06/weapons-of-choice-by-john-
birmingham.html
Dennis
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Actually Dennis, _that_ story sounds really interesting. I missed Jack's
post, but I'm going to look for this one at the used book store.
cheers.....Jeff |
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| Ray O'Hara... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:21 pm |
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"frank" <dhssresearcher at (no spam) netscape.net> wrote in message
news:37539fc7-5e8c-46f8-b757-603fcf724ce9 at (no spam) b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 7, 10:03 am, "dott.Piergiorgio"
<dott.PiergiorgioNI... at (no spam) KAIGUN.fastwebnet.it> wrote:
[quote]Dennis ha scritto:
This sounds like "The Final Countdown," a movie involving the US CVN
Nimitz and Pearl Harbor's Kido Butai.
Or "Zipang", a japanese Manga/Anime with the same setting, but flag
reversed, about an Atago-class DDG back in the eve of PH and making big
mess in the Solomons & attempting to drive Imperial Japan to where
resources are actually available, in Manchuria...
Of course, there are also the Yamato, the Savo Battle, and the Atago DDG
misidentified for the *other* Atago class ;)
Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.
[/quote]
Google Yamato, seems there's a sub scale model built for a Japanese
movie that's used as a museum set in Japan. I think it finally is
opened to the public. I can't think of another ship that seems to have
captured the imagination so much that did absolutely nothing in a
conflict. Well, ok, probably looked neat tied up at dock...(sort of
like the capital fleets in WWI).
If you were ever in Japan, the Uraga docks that were right up next to
Yokosuka are now closed (as of 2007 or something like that). Used to
be the first thing you saw after driving through the 7 tunnels to get
there. And in WWII all the local lesser beings were prohibited from
getting past the first tunnel.
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there is a huge model of her that is open to the public and a large mock up
used in a movie about her last mission.
it never actually managed to hit anything in its one time shooting at the
USN. |
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