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| Steelclaws... |
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On 24 Oct, 14:49, "O.pearl" <priv... at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
[quote](NaturalNews)
[/quote]
Not a reliable source.
In a letter to the WHO in June, the medics from the UK and Africa
said: "We are calling on the WHO to condemn the promotion of
homeopathy for treating TB, infant diarrhoea, influenza, malaria and
HIV.
"Homeopathy does not protect people from, or treat, these diseases.
"Those of us working with the most rural and impoverished people of
the world already struggle to deliver the medical help that is
needed.
"When homeopathy stands in place of effective treatment, lives are
lost."
Dr Robert Hagan is a researcher in biomolecular science at the
University of St Andrews and a member of Voice of Young Science
Network, which is part of the charity Sense About Science campaigning
for "evidence-based" care.
He said: "We need governments around the world to recognise the
dangers of promoting homeopathy for life-threatening illnesses.
"We hope that by raising awareness of the WHO's position on homeopathy
we will be supporting those people who are taking a stand against
these potentially disastrous practices."
'No evidence'
Dr Mario Raviglione, director of the Stop TB department at the WHO,
said: "Our evidence-based WHO TB treatment/management guidelines, as
well as the International Standards of Tuberculosis Care do not
recommend use of homeopathy."
The doctors had also complained that homeopathy was being promoted as
a treatment for diarrhoea in children.
But a spokesman for the WHO department of child and adolescent health
and development said: "We have found no evidence to date that
homeopathy would bring any benefit.
"Homeopathy does not focus on the treatment and prevention of
dehydration - in total contradiction with the scientific basis and our
recommendations for the management of diarrhoea."
Dr Nick Beeching, a specialist in infectious diseases at the Royal
Liverpool University Hospital, said: "Infections such as malaria, HIV
and tuberculosis all have a high mortality rate but can usually be
controlled or cured by a variety of proven treatments, for which there
is ample experience and scientific trial data.
"There is no objective evidence that homeopathy has any effect on
these infections, and I think it is irresponsible for a healthcare
worker to promote the use of homeopathy in place of proven treatment
for any life-threatening illness."
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:49:26 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
[quote]"Bob Officer" <bobofficers at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote in message news:fhk4e5pfj59f3dd06nmagduhri27b11fkv at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:34:13 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Bob Officer" <bobofficers at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote in message news:tdhqd59ce2012rf46h85cooacimtp2n1d2 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:44:55 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
..
'When dilutions of the M. pirum filtrate were recorded for wave emission,
the first obvious phenomenon observed was an increase of the overall
amplitude of the signals at certain dilutions over the background noise
(Fig. 2(a)) and also an increase in frequencies (Fig. 2(b)). This change
was abolished if the tube to be analyzed was placed inside a box
sheltered with sheets of copper and mumetal (David, 1998).
I know exactly what it means. Do you? I will tell you it doesn't mean
what you think.
The container shielded from detection the EM waves being emitted.
You don't know what they are talking about, because you, like the
people running this experiment don't Know what they are doing or
measuring.
Projection.
Not really it is experience with RF and AF signals.
-Your- experience.
Actually it is the body of science which backs me, not these to
idiots <continued 'know-it-all' quackpot blather
[/quote]
But you consider it blather, I suggest you learn a bit more about the
current science of dielectrics and what these two clowns were doing.
I expect no patent to be issued to them.
I would suggest you read:
Dielectrics in Electric Fields
Gorur G. Raju
University of Windsor- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
Published in 2003.
The phenomena is explained there in.
[quote]'FDA, FTC threaten Dr. Weil over immune-boosting supplements for
H1N1 swine flu (opinion) Thu at 8:00am
[/quote]
and it should. Making false claims as a curitive or preventive
properties is against the Law in the US. That's why crooks and
scammers, like Clark, run their operations in Mexico and other third
world nations, where Graft is a open practice.
[quote](NaturalNews)
More like Clownnews.[/quote]
Mike should have to visit the sick children here in California and
across the nation because poorly informed people are listening to him
and his crackpot friends and not getting vaccinated for the H1N1.
Last week a healthily child died in Sonoma County, California and
hundreds of his school mates are sick from H1N1 flu. Three different
high schools are closed. I understand last week we went from 78
school closures to 198 overnight due to the h1n1 flu outbreak.
This type of early activity, in the Flu season, makes it appear that
all the ass-clowns at naturalnews were wrong about the H1N1 flu being
mild, and not life threatening.
--
Bob Officer
Posting the truth
http://www.skeptics.com.au |
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| O.pearl... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:34 pm |
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"Steelclaws" <tenquidnote at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:87bfe459-8fdf-49c8-b1dc-be3c12f13b6a at (no spam) z29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
[quote]On 24 Oct, 14:49, "O.pearl" <priv... at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
(NaturalNews)
Not a reliable source.
[/quote]
Because you say so?  . Check the 'credibility' of your own sources..
[quote]In a letter to the WHO in June, the medics from the UK and Africa
said: "We are calling on the WHO to condemn the promotion of
homeopathy for treating TB, infant diarrhoea, influenza, malaria and
HIV.
"Homeopathy does not protect people from, or treat, these diseases.
"Those of us working with the most rural and impoverished people of
the world already struggle to deliver the medical help that is
needed.
"When homeopathy stands in place of effective treatment, lives are
lost."
Dr Robert Hagan is a researcher in biomolecular science at the
University of St Andrews and a member of Voice of Young Science
Network, which is part of the charity Sense About Science campaigning
for "evidence-based" care.
[/quote]
'Sense About Science
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[quote]He said: "We need governments around the world to recognise the
dangers of promoting homeopathy for life-threatening illnesses.
"We hope that by raising awareness of the WHO's position on homeopathy
we will be supporting those people who are taking a stand against
these potentially disastrous practices."
'No evidence'
Dr Mario Raviglione, director of the Stop TB department at the WHO,
said: "Our evidence-based WHO TB treatment/management guidelines, as
well as the International Standards of Tuberculosis Care do not
recommend use of homeopathy."
The doctors had also complained that homeopathy was being promoted as
a treatment for diarrhoea in children.
But a spokesman for the WHO department of child and adolescent health
and development said: "We have found no evidence to date that
homeopathy would bring any benefit.
"Homeopathy does not focus on the treatment and prevention of
dehydration - in total contradiction with the scientific basis and our
recommendations for the management of diarrhoea."
Dr Nick Beeching, a specialist in infectious diseases at the Royal
Liverpool University Hospital, said: "Infections such as malaria, HIV
and tuberculosis all have a high mortality rate but can usually be
controlled or cured by a variety of proven treatments, for which there
is ample experience and scientific trial data.
"There is no objective evidence that homeopathy has any effect on
these infections, and I think it is irresponsible for a healthcare
worker to promote the use of homeopathy in place of proven treatment
for any life-threatening illness."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8211925.stm
[/quote]
'Evidence based Response to WHO BBC Attack on Homeopathy
VoYS is an aggressive anti-homoeopathy lobby that have well documented
funding connections to pharmaceutical companies.
We the undersigned are outraged at the way the World Health Organization has
allowed itself to be coerced by the Sense About Science Voices of Young
Science into condemning the use of homoeopathy in developing countries.
This condemnation comes after what appears to be blind acceptance by WHO
of the contents of a single letter from 'young scientists' living in the UK in June.
VoYS is an offshoot of Sense About Science an aggressive anti-homoeopathy
lobby that have well documented funding connections to pharmaceutical companies.
WHO appears to have made no efforts at all to establish the veracity of the claims
of VoYS or to check with the homoeopaths in the named countries on what they
are doing, their treatment policies or the results they are having in treating patients
with a wide range of conditions.
There is an increasing body of evidence in favour of homoeopathy's effectiveness.
The respondents from WHO's various departments, in their rush to fulfill the
'Young Scientists' request to condemn homoeopathy, apparently are not aware
of, or have chosen to overlook, the positive results of many research studies.
A recent high quality trial by the prestigious, WHO qualified facility, the Finlay
Institute in Cuba, involving two and a half million people, found homoeopathy to
be extremely effective in the prevention of Leptospirosis (Dr. Concepción Campa
Huergo report to Finlay Institute 'Nosodes 2008 conference' December 2008,
to be published).
A trial conducted by Quebec homoeopathy organization in partnership with
McGill University in Honduras found homoeopathy effective in preventing and
treating parasitic Chagas disease (Martine Jourde report to Finlay Institute
'Nosode 2008 conference' December 2008).
Three studies that show homoeopathy is effective in the treatment of childhood
diarrhea. Furthermore, counter to the uninformed claim of Joe Martines, on
behalf of Dr Elizabeth Mason, Director, WHO Department of Child and
Adolescent Health and Development, rehydration was included in the protocol
of the trials (See below).
A pilot study in Ghana showing homoeopathic treatment equal to and slightly
more effective than chloroquine in the treatment of acute malaria (Br Homoeopath
J 1996Apr;85(2):66-70).
The Stanford study treating tuberculosis in HIV patients resulted in significant
improvement in patients receiving homeopathic immunotherapy (Stanford,
Comm Br Hom Res Grp Dec 1992 22 30-9).
Furthermore, the WHO department directors have ignored the rich and well
documented history of homoeopathy's success in treating major worldwide
epidemics of cholera, influenza (including the 1918 epidemic), yellow fever and
many other serious epidemics. Homoeopathy has a well developed approach
to epidemics which mean homoeopaths can respond rapidly to an epidemic
infectious disease. In light of these and more studies of homoeopathy and the
extreme challenge of emerging drug resistant epidemics in developing countries,
it is cause for wonder why WHO itself has not sponsored research into
homoeopathy treatment.
Homoeopaths operate in a complementary way to conventional medicine, they
do not recommend stopping any prescribed conventional medicines. Treatment
results of patients in the developing countries where homoeopathy is used are
impressive. Patients are happier and healthier and despite the constraints of lack
of funding from established research foundations, studies are being undertaken
and proving homoeopathy's effectiveness.
In 2005 the World Health Organization proposed an extremely positive report
on homoeopathy and its potential in the developing world noting that it is cost
effective, has no side effects, and above all is positively health enhancing. It was
only after pressure from critics of Complementary and Alternative medicine to
revise it, that the report was held back and despite considerable revision it has
still not been published.
The VoYS has issued a press release to the media that widely publicises the
statements from the WHO Departmental Heads. VoYS has stated that they will
be contacting the Health Ministries of every country to tell them of the opinion
of WHO and discourage the use of homoeopathy in order to accomplish their
mission to stopping the use of homoeopathy altogether. VoYS has presented
the communication from WHO as a public announcement from WHO and as a
way to pressure countries to alter their internal health policies.
Is this the intention of WHO ? Does WHO condone other organizations speaking
and acting on its behalf in such a way??
We have several questions for WHO.
How can you allow your organisation to appear to condemn homoeopathy on
the basis of one letter by an antagonistic lobby that receives funding from the
pharmaceutical industry and without first checking the facts?
How can you reverse your own previous recommendations without verification
and dialogue?
Why when all over the world doctors, scientists and patients are choosing
homoeopathy because of their positive experience in regaining health, does
WHO decide to condemn homoeopathy? How is the WHO statement and
the subsequent contact by VoYS to be received by countries such as India,
where homoeopathy doctors have a long and respected record of treating all
diseases, including epidemics?
Why when Ministries of Health in many developing countries have responded
to the requests of their own citizens to make homoeopathy a registered medicine,
does WHO choose to lend their authority to the dedicated campaign of an anti-
homoeopathy group located in the UK?
The citizens of Switzerland recently voted in a national referendum to include
homoeopathy as one of their medical choices. Should the poor sick of Ghana,
Botswana, Swaziland, Tanzania, Brazil, Cuba, Thailand and other developing
countries, living in rural areas with little or no access to other medicines, be
deprived of this safe and affordable choice? How can WHO allow, through
the contents of one arbitrary letter, removal of freedom of choice from the
people who need it most? Is this not an issue of basic human rights?
The VoYS press release, which was further distorted by the BBC, has gone to
the media throughout the world under the headline of "WHO Warns Developing
Countries against Homoeopathy." This is a deliberately inflammatory, malicious
and false declaration that appears to have the backing of WHO. As a role
model of good health and disease treatment to the world, we appeal to WHO
not to let commercial powers and vested interests of a small vocal group influence
your stated goal of bringing the "highest possible level of health" to all the people
of the world.
We urge you to reverse your premature and apparently unconsidered
condemnation of homoeopathy --a safe, effective and cost-effective therapeutic
option for developing countries.
Please give health a chance!
Yours truly
"Homoeopathy cures a larger percentage of cases than any other method of
treatment and is beyond doubt safer and more economical and most complete
medical science." Mahatma Gandhi
3 Research studies childhood diarrhoea: Treatment of acute childhood diarrhoea
in Nicaragua
This trial involved 81 children aged from 6 months to 5 years in a randomised,
double-blind trial of intravenous fluids plus placebo versus intravenous fluids plus
homoeopathic remedy individualised to the patient. The treatment group had a
statistically significant decrease in duration of diarrhoea.
Jacobs J. Treatment of acute childhood diarrhoea with homoeopathic medicine:
a randomized clinical trial in Nicaragua. Pediatrics 1994; 93: 719-725.
Treatment of acute childhood diarrhoea, repeated in Nepal
In a replication of a trial carried out in Nicaragua in 1994, 116 Nepalese children
aged 6 months to 5 years suffering from diarrhoea were given an individualised
homoeopathic medicine or placebo. Treatment by homoeopathy showed a
significant improvement in the condition in comparison to placebo.
Jacobs J., Jimenez M., Malthouse S., Chapman E., Crothers D., Masuk M.,
Jonas W.B., Acute Childhood Diarrhoea- A Replication., Journal of Alternative
and Complementary Medicine, 6, 2000, 131-139.
A meta-analysis of childhood diarrhoea trials
This meta-analysis of 242 children showed a highly significant result in the
duration of childhood diarrhoea (P=0.008).
J. Jacobs, WB Jonas, M Jimenez-Perez, D Crothers, Homoeopathy for
Childhood Diarrhea: Combined Results and Meta-analysis from Three
Randomized, Controlled Clinical Trial, The Pediatric Infectious Disease
Journal, 22 (3): 229-234, March 2003.
Homeopathic treatment of patients with chronic sinusitis: A prospective
observational study with 8 years follow-up 27th July 2009
Witt, Ludtke, Willich.
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6815/9/7
Homeopathic Individualized Q-potencies versus Fluoxetine for Moderate
to Severe Depression: Double-blind, Randomized Non-inferiority Trial
U. C. Adler, N. M. P. Paiva, A. T. Cesar, M. S. Adler, A. Molina, A. E.
Padula and H. M. Calil
eCAM Advance Access published online on August 17, 2009
http://ecam.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/nep114v1
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| O.pearl... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:51 pm |
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"Bob Officer" <bobofficers at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote in message news:q4sbe5l92ssc3dv66mmkqjqtgfcesq3qs0 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote]On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:49:26 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
...
'When dilutions of the M. pirum filtrate were recorded for wave emission,
the first obvious phenomenon observed was an increase of the overall
amplitude of the signals at certain dilutions over the background noise
(Fig. 2(a)) and also an increase in frequencies (Fig. 2(b)). This change
was abolished if the tube to be analyzed was placed inside a box
sheltered with sheets of copper and mumetal (David, 1998).
I know exactly what it means. Do you? I will tell you it doesn't mean
what you think.
The container shielded from detection the EM waves being emitted.
You don't know what they are talking about, because you, like the
people running this experiment don't Know what they are doing or
measuring.
Projection.
Not really it is experience with RF and AF signals.
-Your- experience.
Actually it is the body of science which backs me, not these to
idiots <continued 'know-it-all' quackpot blather
But you consider it blather, I suggest you learn a bit more about the
current science of dielectrics and what these two clowns were doing.
[/quote]
You don't know what they were doing, clown.
[quote]I expect no patent to be issued to them.
[/quote]
It already has. Duh.
[quote]I would suggest you read:
Dielectrics in Electric Fields
Gorur G. Raju
University of Windsor- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
Published in 2003.
The phenomena is explained there in.
[/quote]
Is Bruno's 2006 research/innovation/invention explained in there too?
[quote]'FDA, FTC threaten Dr. Weil over immune-boosting supplements for
H1N1 swine flu (opinion) Thu at 8:00am
and it should. Making false claims as a curitive or preventive
properties is against the Law in the US. That's why crooks and
scammers, like Clark, run their operations in Mexico and other third
world nations, where Graft is a open practice.
(NaturalNews)
More like Clownnews.
[/quote]
Quackpotspeak.
[quote]Mike should have to visit the sick children here in California and
across the nation because poorly informed people are listening to him
and his crackpot friends and not getting vaccinated for the H1N1.
Last week a healthily child died in Sonoma County, California and
hundreds of his school mates are sick from H1N1 flu. Three different
high schools are closed. I understand last week we went from 78
school closures to 198 overnight due to the h1n1 flu outbreak.
This type of early activity, in the Flu season, makes it appear that
all the ass-clowns at naturalnews were wrong about the H1N1 flu being
mild, and not life threatening.
[/quote]
"A rise in influenza cases is to be expected as we enter the winter months
but fortunately, for most, H1N1 is mild and symptoms shouldn't persist
longer than a week.
...'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8342616.stm
'There have been 81 children who have died from H1N1 in the US.
These of course are tragic.
How many pediatric deaths occurred in children who:
- Were positively lab confirmed as H1N1;
- Had underlying chronic immune and brain dysfunction
- Were fully vaccinated according to CDC recommendations
- Had received influenza vaccine this year
- Had received seasonal influenza vaccine in previous years
- Received Tamiflu or another anti-viral prior to death
- Had a coinciding bacterial infection with H1N1
- Were never vaccinated - totally unvaccinated
....
(There is a new Canadian study that suggests those who have gotten seasonal
influenza vaccines in the past may be at greater risk for getting H1N1 swine
flu. This information reinforces NVIC's call for a comparison of the long term
health outcomes of vaccinated and unvaccinated children).
...
What is unknown is whether the massive amount of vaccine exposure in the
US population has critically weakened people's ability to mount an effective
immune response to novel infections like H1N1.
...'
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/21/Special-Swine-Flu-Update.aspx
'UC Davis Study With Mice Links Thimerosal With Immune System
Dysfunction. Main Category: Immune System / Vaccines Article Date:
24 Mar 2006 - 10:00 PDT ...
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/40052.php
'2008/11/1
Two reports this week showed the flu vaccine may not be effective in
preventing health problems in children.
One study revealed that flu shots in the past two seasons did not reduce
doctor visits or the risk of hospitalization for flu in children age 5 and
younger. Another showed that MRSA, or methicillin-resistant
Staphylococcus aureus (a sometimes fatal drug-resistant bacteria that can
accompany the flu), as opposed to the flu itself, is a main contributor to
the growing number of child deaths attributed to influenza.
...
MRSA is a drug-resistant superbug that can piggyback on the flu and
can cause outbreaks of deadly pneumonia. Secondary infections increase
the risk of death from the flu more often than the flu itself.
...
1. The majority of flu shots contain 25 micrograms of mercury, an amount
considered unsafe for anyone weighing less than 550 pounds! And which
groups are most sensitive to the neurological damage that has been associated
with mercury? Infants, children, and the elderly.
2. The above study published in the October issue of the Archives of Pediatric
& Adolescent Medicine found that vaccinating young children against the flu
appeared to have no impact on flu-related doctor visits or hospitalizations
during two recent flu seasons.
At first glance, the data did suggest that children between the ages of 6 months
and 5 years derived some protection from the vaccine in these years. But after
adjusting for potentially relevant variables, the researchers concluded that
"significant influenza vaccine effectiveness could not be demonstrated for any
season, age, or setting."
3. The new policy ignores a large-scale, systematic review of 51 studies,
published in the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews in 2006, that found
no evidence the flu vaccine is any more effective for children than a placebo.
The studies involved 260,000 children, age 6 to 23 months.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:57 pm |
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"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster at (no spam) ariplex.com> wrote in message news:1r29e5dh1c368i4ft6kvfpg0iueesbemml at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote]On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:35:21 +0100, "O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster at (no spam) ariplex.com> wrote in message news:76bpd5djg1kvvpgj85gqaic0j95hhm3bas at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:38:59 +0100, "O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster at (no spam) ariplex.com> wrote in message news:q19nd5l1co65082svnuvfu6q3k64d9uit1 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:04:23 +0100, "O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster at (no spam) ariplex.com> wrote in message news:v57nd5pkaltuaue7dc8155epbqtk8kj1fh at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:47:21 +0100, "O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster at (no spam) ariplex.com> wrote in message news:it5nd5p1dkn9enima12qeertev8sf3j13u at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Except for the holes.
Flu Shot Permanently Disables Washington Redskins
cheerleader Desiree Jennings
That is bullshit.
That's the effect of the criminal quackery you push.
No. You - as usual - are not able to understand WHAT is happening.
Projection.
You were praising the rediculous "study" by Montagnier and
claimed the enclosure would work as a shield. But the point is: IT HAS HOLES!
Cite where it's stated that the enclosure has holes, you ridiculous quackpot.
Prove, that the enclose had no holes!
It's your ludicrous claim that it did. You're a moron. QED.
Me a moron?
QED.
You
[/quote]
You. Lying moron. Enjoy, quacky.
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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:51:23 -0000, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
[quote]"Bob Officer" <bobofficers at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote in message news:q4sbe5l92ssc3dv66mmkqjqtgfcesq3qs0 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:49:26 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
..
'When dilutions of the M. pirum filtrate were recorded for wave emission,
the first obvious phenomenon observed was an increase of the overall
amplitude of the signals at certain dilutions over the background noise
(Fig. 2(a)) and also an increase in frequencies (Fig. 2(b)). This change
was abolished if the tube to be analyzed was placed inside a box
sheltered with sheets of copper and mumetal (David, 1998).
I know exactly what it means. Do you? I will tell you it doesn't mean
what you think.
The container shielded from detection the EM waves being emitted.
You don't know what they are talking about, because you, like the
people running this experiment don't Know what they are doing or
measuring.
Projection.
Not really it is experience with RF and AF signals.
-Your- experience.
Actually it is the body of science which backs me, not these to
idiots <continued 'know-it-all' quackpot blather
But you consider it blather, I suggest you learn a bit more about the
current science of dielectrics and what these two clowns were doing.
You don't know what they were doing, clown.
[/quote]
I read their paper. The explanation is there in print. They are two
clowns playing with other people's money.
[quote]I expect no patent to be issued to them.
It already has. Duh.
[/quote]
No it wasn't, it was applied for, not yet granted.
[quote]I would suggest you read:
Dielectrics in Electric Fields
Gorur G. Raju
University of Windsor- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
Published in 2003.
The phenomena is explained there in.
Is Bruno's 2006 research/innovation/invention explained in there too?
[/quote]
Surprisingly, yes it is. That why the work is called derivative. It
isn't new and isn't not unique.
[quote]'FDA, FTC threaten Dr. Weil over immune-boosting supplements for
H1N1 swine flu (opinion) Thu at 8:00am
and it should. Making false claims as a curitive or preventive
properties is against the Law in the US. That's why crooks and
scammers, like Clark, run their operations in Mexico and other third
world nations, where Graft is a open practice.
(NaturalNews)
More like Clownnews.
Quackpotspeak.
Mike should have to visit the sick children here in California and
across the nation because poorly informed people are listening to him
and his crackpot friends and not getting vaccinated for the H1N1.
Last week a healthily child died in Sonoma County, California and
hundreds of his school mates are sick from H1N1 flu. Three different
high schools are closed. I understand last week we went from 78
school closures to 198 overnight due to the h1n1 flu outbreak.
This type of early activity, in the Flu season, makes it appear that
all the ass-clowns at naturalnews were wrong about the H1N1 flu being
mild, and not life threatening.
"A rise in influenza cases is to be expected as we enter the winter months
but fortunately, for most, H1N1 is mild and symptoms shouldn't persist
longer than a week.
..'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8342616.stm
'There have been 81 children who have died from H1N1 in the US.
These of course are tragic.
[/quote]
Actually a few more than that.
Sort of trying to side step the discussion aren't you.
Since you know little of electronics and the testing they did, you
are trying to sidestep the discussion.
How cowardly.
--
Bob Officer
Posting the truth
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:31 am |
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"Bob Officer" <bobofficers at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote in message news:p0n4f5hfvdvt0soh4td5jcani541fh5rba at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote]On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:51:23 -0000, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Bob Officer" <bobofficers at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote in message news:q4sbe5l92ssc3dv66mmkqjqtgfcesq3qs0 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:49:26 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
..
'When dilutions of the M. pirum filtrate were recorded for wave emission,
the first obvious phenomenon observed was an increase of the overall
amplitude of the signals at certain dilutions over the background noise
(Fig. 2(a)) and also an increase in frequencies (Fig. 2(b)). This change
was abolished if the tube to be analyzed was placed inside a box
sheltered with sheets of copper and mumetal (David, 1998).
I know exactly what it means. Do you? I will tell you it doesn't mean
what you think.
The container shielded from detection the EM waves being emitted.
You don't know what they are talking about, because you, like the
people running this experiment don't Know what they are doing or
measuring.
Projection.
Not really it is experience with RF and AF signals.
-Your- experience.
Actually it is the body of science which backs me, not these to
idiots <continued 'know-it-all' quackpot blather
But you consider it blather, I suggest you learn a bit more about the
current science of dielectrics and what these two clowns were doing.
You don't know what they were doing, clown.
I read their paper. The explanation is there in print. They are two
clowns playing with other people's money.
[/quote]
Projection. There's no detailed explanation in the paper of the
device used to capture and analyze the electromagnetic signals.
[quote]I expect no patent to be issued to them.
It already has. Duh.
No it wasn't, it was applied for, not yet granted.
[/quote]
How do you know that?
[quote]I would suggest you read:
Dielectrics in Electric Fields
Gorur G. Raju
University of Windsor- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
Published in 2003.
The phenomena is explained there in.
Is Bruno's 2006 research/innovation/invention explained in there too?
Surprisingly, yes it is. That why the work is called derivative. It
isn't new and isn't not unique.
[/quote]
Support your claim.
[quote]'FDA, FTC threaten Dr. Weil over immune-boosting supplements for
H1N1 swine flu (opinion) Thu at 8:00am
and it should. Making false claims as a curitive or preventive
properties is against the Law in the US. That's why crooks and
scammers, like Clark, run their operations in Mexico and other third
world nations, where Graft is a open practice.
(NaturalNews)
More like Clownnews.
Quackpotspeak.
Mike should have to visit the sick children here in California and
across the nation because poorly informed people are listening to him
and his crackpot friends and not getting vaccinated for the H1N1.
Last week a healthily child died in Sonoma County, California and
hundreds of his school mates are sick from H1N1 flu. Three different
high schools are closed. I understand last week we went from 78
school closures to 198 overnight due to the h1n1 flu outbreak.
This type of early activity, in the Flu season, makes it appear that
all the ass-clowns at naturalnews were wrong about the H1N1 flu being
mild, and not life threatening.
"A rise in influenza cases is to be expected as we enter the winter months
but fortunately, for most, H1N1 is mild and symptoms shouldn't persist
longer than a week.
..'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8342616.stm
'There have been 81 children who have died from H1N1 in the US.
These of course are tragic.
Actually a few more than that.
[/quote]
'*Mercury Exposure = Increased Vulnerability*
Chronic mercury exposure is also a threat to our health and makes us
especially vulnerable to flu infections. It has been shown that "prolonged
exposure of mammals (white mice) to low mercury concentrations (0.008 -
0.02 mg/m3) leads to a significant increase in the susceptibility of mice to
pathological influenza virus strains. This is shown by more severe course of
infection. In the experimental group more mice died (86 - 90.3 %) than in
the unexposed animals (60.2 - 68 %), additionally the experimental group
died more quickly. The significant difference was in the appearance and
degree of pneumonia in the effected animals," wrote Dr. I. M. Trakhtenberg
in *Chronic Effects of Mercury on Organisms.*
Though everyone in the northern hemisphere is contaminated with mercury
health officials have a mental block against suggesting anything that might
reduce total mercury body burden. Though some dedicated health activists
are cracking the FDA's endorsement of mercury dental amalgam it will take
a Martian death ray to get them to protect the public from the obvious.
Natural chelation methods work safely to remove mercury but unfortunately,
if this is the dreaded flu outbreak, there will be little time to reduce mercury
levels. Much can still be accomplished with the emergency protocol
suggested below. Mercury exposure will make flu symptoms worse and
even more dangerous, and that is one reason the flu vaccine is deadly
because most brands include thimerosal, which almost fifty percent mercury.
...
Dr. Eleanor McBean, lived through the 1918 Influenza epidemic, and
testified, "As far as I could find out, the flu hit only the vaccinated. Those
who had refused the shots escaped the flu. My family had refused all
the vaccinations so we remained well all the time. There was seven times
more disease among the vaccinated soldiers than among the unvaccinated
civilians, and the diseases were those they had been vaccinated against."
Vaccines, especially when given in multiple quantities in one sitting certainly
have the potential to throw a person or child's body out of balance as can
nutritional deficiencies, dehydration, lack of exercise or a lack of sun and
vitamin D. Almost everyone today is magnesium deficient, certainly every
Mexican who eats white rice!
...
12. Ensure you avoid all mercury-containing seafood or any other sources
of mercury, as the heavy metal is a very powerful inducer of autoimmunity,
is known to make people more susceptible to viral infections and will be
in H1N1 vaccines.
...'
http://annetteafarr.photium.com/news12461.html |
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| Bob Officer... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:35 pm |
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:31:20 -0000, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
[quote]"Bob Officer" <bobofficers at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote in message news:p0n4f5hfvdvt0soh4td5jcani541fh5rba at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:51:23 -0000, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Bob Officer" <bobofficers at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote in message news:q4sbe5l92ssc3dv66mmkqjqtgfcesq3qs0 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:49:26 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
..
'When dilutions of the M. pirum filtrate were recorded for wave emission,
the first obvious phenomenon observed was an increase of the overall
amplitude of the signals at certain dilutions over the background noise
(Fig. 2(a)) and also an increase in frequencies (Fig. 2(b)). This change
was abolished if the tube to be analyzed was placed inside a box
sheltered with sheets of copper and mumetal (David, 1998).
I know exactly what it means. Do you? I will tell you it doesn't mean
what you think.
The container shielded from detection the EM waves being emitted.
You don't know what they are talking about, because you, like the
people running this experiment don't Know what they are doing or
measuring.
Projection.
Not really it is experience with RF and AF signals.
-Your- experience.
Actually it is the body of science which backs me, not these to
idiots <continued 'know-it-all' quackpot blather
But you consider it blather, I suggest you learn a bit more about the
current science of dielectrics and what these two clowns were doing.
You don't know what they were doing, clown.
I read their paper. The explanation is there in print. They are two
clowns playing with other people's money.
Projection. There's no detailed explanation in the paper of the
device used to capture and analyze the electromagnetic signals.
[/quote]
Toots, that what radio receivers do. It isn't new or novel.
[quote]I expect no patent to be issued to them.
It already has. Duh.
No it wasn't, it was applied for, not yet granted.
How do you know that?
[/quote]
the patent files are public and searchable records. the is only
filed. it takes anywhere from 2 to 5 years or more to receive a
patent in just about any country.
[quote]I would suggest you read:
Dielectrics in Electric Fields
Gorur G. Raju
University of Windsor- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
Published in 2003.
The phenomena is explained there in.
Is Bruno's 2006 research/innovation/invention explained in there too?
Surprisingly, yes it is. That why the work is called derivative. It
isn't new and isn't not unique.
Support your claim.
[/quote]
I did. Bruno's work is the support.
[quote]'FDA, FTC threaten Dr. Weil over immune-boosting supplements for
H1N1 swine flu (opinion) Thu at 8:00am
and it should. Making false claims as a curitive or preventive
properties is against the Law in the US. That's why crooks and
scammers, like Clark, run their operations in Mexico and other third
world nations, where Graft is a open practice.
(NaturalNews)
More like Clownnews.
Quackpotspeak.
Mike should have to visit the sick children here in California and
across the nation because poorly informed people are listening to him
and his crackpot friends and not getting vaccinated for the H1N1.
Last week a healthily child died in Sonoma County, California and
hundreds of his school mates are sick from H1N1 flu. Three different
high schools are closed. I understand last week we went from 78
school closures to 198 overnight due to the h1n1 flu outbreak.
This type of early activity, in the Flu season, makes it appear that
all the ass-clowns at naturalnews were wrong about the H1N1 flu being
mild, and not life threatening.
"A rise in influenza cases is to be expected as we enter the winter months
but fortunately, for most, H1N1 is mild and symptoms shouldn't persist
longer than a week.
..'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8342616.stm
'There have been 81 children who have died from H1N1 in the US.
These of course are tragic.
Actually a few more than that.
[/quote]
And now O'pearl shifts subject once again. When she can not refute,
she shifts the subject. This is her third shift.
[quote]'*Mercury Exposure = Increased Vulnerability*
[/quote]
I bet next she will try to cite whale.to,
Any takers.
--
Bob Officer
Posting the truth
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