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| I M at (no spam) good guy... |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:42:47 -0800 (PST), Last Post <last_post at (no spam) primus.ca>
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[quote]On Nov 4, 7:53Â pm, "I M at (no spam) good guy" <I... at (no spam) good.guy> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:37:06 -0800 (PST), Roger Coppock
rcopp... at (no spam) adnc.com> wrote:
On Nov 3, 11:02Â am, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
 THE SUN DEFINES THE CLIMATE
  by Habibullo Abdussamatov, Dr. Sc. -
  Head of Space research laboratory of
 the Pulkovo Observatory
A search of scientific paper index services show
that while Abdussamatov has published papers
on solar physics, there are no listings under his
name for papers on terrestrial climate.
[ Denialist Pseudoscience skipped ]
The problem with claims for a solar cause of
global warming is that solar output, sunspots,
and cosmic rays, show no large correlation with
global mean surface temperature. Â All three of
these show no long term trend large enough to
explain the observed warming, only an 11-year
cycle. Â What century long trends there are are
decreases, in the wrong direction to explain
the warming of the Earth.
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Solar_Irradiance.txt
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Solrad.jpg
http://www.pmodwrc.ch/pmod.php?topic=tsi/composite/SolarConstant
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Climax.jpg
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Changes_In_Solar_Brightness_Too_Wea...
http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn12234-suns-activity-rul...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7327393.stm
http://www.mpg.de/english/illustrationsDocumentation/documentation/pr...
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/07/no-link-between.html
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=42
To cause the current warming, an increase of about
3 Watts per square meter over the last century
is needed. Â The Sun has not made that increase
recently, period, end of story.
Also, over the last century:
--- Nighttime warming was greater than daytime warming.
    Or rather, it didn't get as hot, and it didn't get as cold.
    Cities and airports got bigger and bigger.
--- Winter warming was greater than Summer warming.
    Rather, it didn't get as cold, and it didn't get as hot.
    More LWIR to space with higher temperatures.
     Less LWIR to space when cooler.
--- Land warming was greater than sea warming.
     Less snow cover since the Little Ice Age ended.
--- High latitude warming is greater than equatorial warming.
     The Gulf Stream.
--- The troposphere warmed, while the stratosphere cooled.
     More atmospheric mass, more GHG to cool stratosphere.
These patterns are totally inconsistent with a solar cause of
the observed warming over the same period.
     The nearness to the sun results in not only
higher flux per unit of area, but also a radiating
area that subtends more of the celestial sphere.
     The sun warms the Earth and atmosphere.
     GHGs cool the atmosphere, Fourier said so.
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What's with the post with no new text, is
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:08 pm |
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On Nov 4, 3:43 pm, richpussytard <richpussytard... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 10:03 am, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
On Nov 3, 8:07 pm, richpussytard <richpussytard... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 3, 11:02 am, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
THE SUN DEFINES THE CLIMATE
by Habibullo Abdussamatov, Dr. Sc. -
Head of Space research laboratory of
the Pulkovo Observatory
October 27th 2009, 2:52 PM EDT
Co2sceptic (Site Admin)
article image
(translated from Russian by Lucy Hancockhttp://climaterealists.comindex.php?id=4254&linkbox=true
Key Excerpts: Observations of the Sun show that as for the increase in
emperature, carbon dioxide is “not guilty” and as for what lies ahead
n the upcoming decades, it is not catastrophic warming, but a global,
nd very prolonged, temperature drop. [...] Over the past decade,
lobal temperature on the Earth has not increased; global warming has
ceased, and already there are signs of the future deep temperature
drop. [...] It follows that warming had a natural origin, the
contribution of CO2 to it was insignificant, anthropogenic increase
in
the concentration of carbon dioxide does not serve as an explanation
for it, and in the foreseeable future CO2 will not be able to cause
catastrophic warming. The so-called greenhouse effect will not avert
the onset of the next deep temperature drop, the 19th in the last
7500
years, which without fail follows after natural warming. [...]
We should fear a deep temperature drop—not catastrophic global
warming. Humanity must survive the serious economic, social,
demographic and political consequences of a global temperature drop,
which will directly affect the national interests of almost all
countries and more than 80% of the population of the Earth. A deep
temperature drop is a considerably greater threat to humanity than
warming. However, a reliable forecast of the time of the onset and of
the depth of the global temperature drop will make it possible to
adjust in advance the economic activity of humanity, to considerably
weaken the crisis.
Experts of the United Nations in regular reports publish data said to
show that the Earth is approaching a catastrophic global warming,
caused by increasing emissions of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.
However, observations of the Sun show that as for the increase in
temperature, carbon dioxide is “not guilty” and as for what lies
ahead
in the upcoming decades, it is not catastrophic warming, but a
global,
and very prolonged, temperature drop.
Life on earth completely depends on solar radiation, the ultimate
source of energy for natural processes. For a long time it was
thought
that the luminosity of the Sun never changes, and for this reason the
quantity of solar energy received per second over one square meter
above the atmosphere at the distance of the Earth from the Sun
(149,597,892 km), was named the solar constant.
Until 1978, precise measurements of the value of the total solar
irradiance (TSI) were not available. But according to indirect data,
namely the established major climate variations of the Earth in
recent
millennia, one must doubt the invariance of its value.
In the middle of the nineteenth century, German and Swiss astronomers
Heinrich Schwabe and Rudolf Wolf established that the number of spots
on the surface of the Sun periodically changes, diminishing from a
maximum to a minimum, and then growing again, over a time frame on
the
order of 11 years. Wolf introduced an index ("W") of the relative
number of sunspots, computed as the sum of 10 times number of sunspot
groups plus the total number of spots in all groups. This number has
been regularly measured since 1849. Drawing on the work of
professional astronomers and the observations of amateurs (which are
of uncertain reliability) Wolf worked out a reconstruction of monthly
values from 1749 as well as annual values from 1700. Today, the
reconstruction of this time series stretches back to 1611. It has an
eleven-year cycle of recurrence as well as other cycles related to
onset and development of individual sunspot groups: changes in the
fraction of the solar surface occupied by faculae, the frequency of
prominences, and other phenomena in the solar chromosphere and
corona.
Analyzing the long record of sunspot numbers, the English astronomer
Walter Maunder in 1893 came to the conclusion that from 1645 to 1715
sunspots had been generally absent. Over the thirty-year period of
the
Maunder Minimum, astronomers of the time counted only about 50 spots.
Usually, over that length of time, about 50,000 sunspots would
appear.
Today, it has been established that such minima have repeatedly
occurred in the past. It is also known that the Maunder Minimum
accompanied the coldest phase of a global temperature dip, physically
measured in Europe and other regions, the most severe such dip for
several millennia, which stretched from the fourteenth to the
nineteenth centuries (now known as the Little Ice Age).
The search for a relationship between large climate variations and
phenomena observed in the Sun led to an interest in finding a
connection between periods of change in the terrestrial climate and
corresponding significant changes in the level of observed solar
activity, because the sunspot number is the only index that has been
measured over a long period of time.
Determinative role of the Sun in variations in the climate of the
Earth
The Earth, after receiving and storing over the twentieth century an
anomalously large amount of heat energy, from the 1990’s began to
return it gradually. The upper layers of the world ocean, completely
unexpectedly to climatologists, began to cool in 2003. The heat
accumulated by them unfortunately now is running out. Over the past
decade, global temperature on the Earth has not increased; global
warming has ceased, and already there are signs of the future deep
temperature drop. Meantime the concentration of carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere over these years has grown by more than 4%, and in 2006
many meteorologists predicted that 2007 would be the hottest of the
last decade. This did not occur, although the global temperature of
the Earth would have increased at least 0.1 degree if it depended on
the concentration of carbon dioxide. It follows that warming had a
natural origin, the contribution of CO2 to it was insignificant,
anthropogenic increase in the concentration of carbon dioxide does
not
serve as an explanation for it, and in the foreseeable future CO2
will
not be able to cause catastrophic warming. The so-called greenhouse
effect will not avert the onset of the next deep temperature drop,
the
19th in the last 7500 years, which without fail follows after natural
warming.
The earth is no longer threatened by the catastrophic global warming
forecast by some scientists; warming passed its peak in 1998-2005,
while the value of the TSI by July - September of last year had
already declined by 0.47 W/m2.
For several years until the beginning in 2013 of a steady temperature
drop, in a phase of instability, temperature will oscillate around
the
maximum that has been reached, without further substantial rise.
Changes in climatic conditions will occur unevenly, depending on
latitude. A temperature decrease in the smallest degree would affect
the equatorial regions and strongly influence the temperate climate
zones. The changes will have very serious consequences, and it is
necessary to begin preparations even now, since there is practically
no time in reserve. The global temperature of the Earth has begun its
decrease without limitations on the volume of greenhouse gas
emissions
by industrially developed countries; therefore the implementation of
the Kyoto protocol aimed to rescue the planet from the greenhouse
effect should be put off at least 150 years.
Consequently, we should fear a deep temperature drop—not catastrophic
global warming. Humanity must survive the serious economic, social,
demographic and political consequences of a global temperature drop,
which will directly affect the national interests of almost all
countries and more than 80% of the population of the Earth. A deep
temperature drop is a considerably greater threat to humanity than
warming. However, a reliable forecast of the time of the onset and of
the depth of the global temperature drop will make it possible to
adjust in advance the economic activity of humanity, to considerably
weaken the crisis.
Hey moron a lot of things define climate you jackass
•• Those who would call others, "moron"
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On Nov 4, 8:37 pm, Roger Coppock <rcopp... at (no spam) adnc.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 3, 11:02 am, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
THE SUN DEFINES THE CLIMATE
by Habibullo Abdussamatov, Dr. Sc. -
Head of Space research laboratory of
the Pulkovo Observatory
A search of scientific paper index services show
that while Abdussamatov has published papers
on solar physics, there are no listings under his
name for papers on terrestrial climate.
[/quote]
That's your "got ya" moment, you pathetic brain cancer infected
retard?
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All your garbage proved nothing, you pathetic brain cancer infected
retard.
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On Nov 11, 6:08 pm, mrbawana2u <mrbawan... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 3:43 pm, richpussytard <richpussytard... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 4, 10:03 am, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
On Nov 3, 8:07 pm, richpussytard <richpussytard... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 3, 11:02 am, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
THE SUN DEFINES THE CLIMATE
by Habibullo Abdussamatov, Dr. Sc. -
Head of Space research laboratory of
the Pulkovo Observatory
October 27th 2009, 2:52 PM EDT
Co2sceptic (Site Admin)
article image
(translated from Russian by Lucy Hancockhttp://climaterealists..comindex.php?id=4254&linkbox=true
Key Excerpts: Observations of the Sun show that as for the increase in
emperature, carbon dioxide is “not guilty” and as for what lies ahead
n the upcoming decades, it is not catastrophic warming, but a global,
nd very prolonged, temperature drop. [...] Over the past decade,
lobal temperature on the Earth has not increased; global warming has
ceased, and already there are signs of the future deep temperature
drop. [...] It follows that warming had a natural origin, the
contribution of CO2 to it was insignificant, anthropogenic increase
in
the concentration of carbon dioxide does not serve as an explanation
for it, and in the foreseeable future CO2 will not be able to cause
catastrophic warming. The so-called greenhouse effect will not avert
the onset of the next deep temperature drop, the 19th in the last
7500
years, which without fail follows after natural warming. [...]
We should fear a deep temperature drop—not catastrophic global
warming. Humanity must survive the serious economic, social,
demographic and political consequences of a global temperature drop,
which will directly affect the national interests of almost all
countries and more than 80% of the population of the Earth. A deep
temperature drop is a considerably greater threat to humanity than
warming. However, a reliable forecast of the time of the onset and of
the depth of the global temperature drop will make it possible to
adjust in advance the economic activity of humanity, to considerably
weaken the crisis.
Experts of the United Nations in regular reports publish data said to
show that the Earth is approaching a catastrophic global warming,
caused by increasing emissions of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.
However, observations of the Sun show that as for the increase in
temperature, carbon dioxide is “not guilty” and as for what lies
ahead
in the upcoming decades, it is not catastrophic warming, but a
global,
and very prolonged, temperature drop.
Life on earth completely depends on solar radiation, the ultimate
source of energy for natural processes. For a long time it was
thought
that the luminosity of the Sun never changes, and for this reason the
quantity of solar energy received per second over one square meter
above the atmosphere at the distance of the Earth from the Sun
(149,597,892 km), was named the solar constant.
Until 1978, precise measurements of the value of the total solar
irradiance (TSI) were not available. But according to indirect data,
namely the established major climate variations of the Earth in
recent
millennia, one must doubt the invariance of its value.
In the middle of the nineteenth century, German and Swiss astronomers
Heinrich Schwabe and Rudolf Wolf established that the number of spots
on the surface of the Sun periodically changes, diminishing from a
maximum to a minimum, and then growing again, over a time frame on
the
order of 11 years. Wolf introduced an index ("W") of the relative
number of sunspots, computed as the sum of 10 times number of sunspot
groups plus the total number of spots in all groups. This number has
been regularly measured since 1849. Drawing on the work of
professional astronomers and the observations of amateurs (which are
of uncertain reliability) Wolf worked out a reconstruction of monthly
values from 1749 as well as annual values from 1700. Today, the
reconstruction of this time series stretches back to 1611. It has an
eleven-year cycle of recurrence as well as other cycles related to
onset and development of individual sunspot groups: changes in the
fraction of the solar surface occupied by faculae, the frequency of
prominences, and other phenomena in the solar chromosphere and
corona.
Analyzing the long record of sunspot numbers, the English astronomer
Walter Maunder in 1893 came to the conclusion that from 1645 to 1715
sunspots had been generally absent. Over the thirty-year period of
the
Maunder Minimum, astronomers of the time counted only about 50 spots.
Usually, over that length of time, about 50,000 sunspots would
appear.
Today, it has been established that such minima have repeatedly
occurred in the past. It is also known that the Maunder Minimum
accompanied the coldest phase of a global temperature dip, physically
measured in Europe and other regions, the most severe such dip for
several millennia, which stretched from the fourteenth to the
nineteenth centuries (now known as the Little Ice Age).
The search for a relationship between large climate variations and
phenomena observed in the Sun led to an interest in finding a
connection between periods of change in the terrestrial climate and
corresponding significant changes in the level of observed solar
activity, because the sunspot number is the only index that has been
measured over a long period of time.
Determinative role of the Sun in variations in the climate of the
Earth
The Earth, after receiving and storing over the twentieth century an
anomalously large amount of heat energy, from the 1990’s began to
return it gradually. The upper layers of the world ocean, completely
unexpectedly to climatologists, began to cool in 2003. The heat
accumulated by them unfortunately now is running out. Over the past
decade, global temperature on the Earth has not increased; global
warming has ceased, and already there are signs of the future deep
temperature drop. Meantime the concentration of carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere over these years has grown by more than 4%, and in 2006
many meteorologists predicted that 2007 would be the hottest of the
last decade. This did not occur, although the global temperature of
the Earth would have increased at least 0.1 degree if it depended on
the concentration of carbon dioxide. It follows that warming had a
natural origin, the contribution of CO2 to it was insignificant,
anthropogenic increase in the concentration of carbon dioxide does
not
serve as an explanation for it, and in the foreseeable future CO2
will
not be able to cause catastrophic warming. The so-called greenhouse
effect will not avert the onset of the next deep temperature drop,
the
19th in the last 7500 years, which without fail follows after natural
warming.
The earth is no longer threatened by the catastrophic global warming
forecast by some scientists; warming passed its peak in 1998-2005,
while the value of the TSI by July - September of last year had
already declined by 0.47 W/m2.
For several years until the beginning in 2013 of a steady temperature
drop, in a phase of instability, temperature will oscillate around
the
maximum that has been reached, without further substantial rise.
Changes in climatic conditions will occur unevenly, depending on
latitude. A temperature decrease in the smallest degree would affect
the equatorial regions and strongly influence the temperate climate
zones. The changes will have very serious consequences, and it is
necessary to begin preparations even now, since there is practically
no time in reserve. The global temperature of the Earth has begun its
decrease without limitations on the volume of greenhouse gas
emissions
by industrially developed countries; therefore the implementation of
the Kyoto protocol aimed to rescue the planet from the greenhouse
effect should be put off at least 150 years.
Consequently, we should fear a deep temperature drop—not catastrophic
global warming. Humanity must survive the serious economic, social,
demographic and political consequences of a global temperature drop,
which will directly affect the national interests of almost all
countries and more than 80% of the population of the Earth. A deep
temperature drop is a considerably greater threat to humanity than
warming. However, a reliable forecast of the time of the onset and of
the depth of the global temperature drop will make it possible to
adjust in advance the economic activity of humanity, to considerably
weaken the crisis.
Hey moron a lot of things define climate you jackass
•• Those who would call others, "moron"
need only look in a mirror to see a real one.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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richpussytard, the pathetic.
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