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| Martin Edwards... |
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duke wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:57:27 +0000, Martin Edwards <big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com
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Then you don't understand that the OT prefigures the NT and the arrival of the
Messiah.
I understand the proposition, but it is wrong.
Why is it wrong when it is well illustrated in the bible?
The Dukester, American-American
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Like the chariot in Ezekiel, Balaam's ass talking, stiffs getting out of[/quote]
their graves at the crucifixion, Jesus reaching escape velocity without
disintegrating, all that stuff?
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| duke... |
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:11:36 +0000, Martin Edwards <big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com>
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[quote]duke wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:56:29 +0000, Martin Edwards <big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com
wrote:
Nothing came before Almighty God. We know he existed at least 13.7 billion
years ago. After all, he created the universe and all in it.
We know this how?
He's the supreme creator. God is his name.
My question was we know this how?
[/quote]
Because some 13.7 billion years ago, an infinitely small point of mass of
infinite density appeared into nothingness and exploded outward to form our
universe including all mass, energy, time, and outer space.
Remember, outer space is the void formed as the mass pieces separated from
themselves.
That's creation at it's finest, and that takes a supreme creator. We named him
God.
The Dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| duke... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:14 am |
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:14:13 +0000, Martin Edwards <big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com>
wrote:
[quote]duke wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:57:27 +0000, Martin Edwards <big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com
wrote:
Then you don't understand that the OT prefigures the NT and the arrival of the
Messiah.
I understand the proposition, but it is wrong.
Why is it wrong when it is well illustrated in the bible?
Like the chariot in Ezekiel, Balaam's ass talking, stiffs getting out of
their graves at the crucifixion, Jesus reaching escape velocity without
disintegrating, all that stuff?
[/quote]
The Word of God is without error. God revealed, man wrote. And man's writing
is in the culture of his time.
If you're going to discuss God, you need to learn the difference between the
word of God in the bible and the handwriting of man.
The Dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| Matt Giwer... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:19 am |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:11:36 +0000, Martin Edwards <big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:56:29 +0000, Martin Edwards
big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com> wrote:
Nothing came before Almighty God. We know he existed at least 13.7
billion years ago. After all, he created the universe and all in it.
We know this how?
He's the supreme creator. God is his name.
My question was we know this how?
Because some 13.7 billion years ago, an infinitely small point of mass of
infinite density appeared into nothingness and exploded outward to form
our universe including all mass, energy, time, and outer space.
[/quote]
Not what happened at all. Space appeared which happened to contain
matter. Space did not exist before this event.
Stop trying to pretend you understand the subject.
[quote]Remember, outer space is the void formed as the mass pieces separated from
themselves.
[/quote]
Nonsense. Space did not exist before the bang.
Space came into existence at bang time and has been expanding ever
since. That is what the red shift is all about. Get with the program.
[quote]That's creation at it's finest, and that takes a supreme creator. We
named him God.
[/quote]
God is a generic name like car or bridge. It is not a personal name.
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Israel says so.
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| Matt Giwer... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:21 am |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:14:13 +0000, Martin Edwards <big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:57:27 +0000, Martin Edwards
big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com> wrote:
Then you don't understand that the OT prefigures the NT and the
arrival of the Messiah.
I understand the proposition, but it is wrong.
Why is it wrong when it is well illustrated in the bible?
Like the chariot in Ezekiel, Balaam's ass talking, stiffs getting out of
their graves at the crucifixion, Jesus reaching escape velocity without
disintegrating, all that stuff?
The Word of God is without error. God revealed, man wrote. And man's
writing is in the culture of his time.
[/quote]
I can find not one single book in the bible which claims divine
revelation.
Who told you it was revealed and why did you believe them?
[quote]If you're going to discuss God, you need to learn the difference between
the word of God in the bible and the handwriting of man.
[/quote]
Who told you the bible was revealed by god and why did you believe
them?
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A biblical archaeologist is like an astrological astronomer
or an alchemical chemist. None are scientists.
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Sun Nov 8 07:19:22 EST 2009 |
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| duke... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:20 am |
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:19:10 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:11:36 +0000, Martin Edwards <big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:56:29 +0000, Martin Edwards
big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com> wrote:
Nothing came before Almighty God. We know he existed at least 13.7
billion years ago. After all, he created the universe and all in it.
We know this how?
He's the supreme creator. God is his name.
My question was we know this how?
Because some 13.7 billion years ago, an infinitely small point of mass of
infinite density appeared into nothingness and exploded outward to form
our universe including all mass, energy, time, and outer space.
Not what happened at all. Space appeared which happened to contain
matter. Space did not exist before this event.
[/quote]
I'll stick with an infinitely small point of mass of infinite density appearing
in nothingness. Outer space was created as the particles of mass separated.
[quote] Stop trying to pretend you understand the subject.
[/quote]
I do.
[quote]Remember, outer space is the void formed as the mass pieces separated from
themselves.
Nonsense. Space did not exist before the bang.
[/quote]
I know.
[quote] Space came into existence at bang time and has been expanding ever
since. That is what the red shift is all about. Get with the program.
[/quote]
The red shift is about expansion???
[quote]That's creation at it's finest, and that takes a supreme creator. We
named him God.
God is a generic name like car or bridge. It is not a personal name.
[/quote]
No, his game is creation as supreme creator, his name is God.
The Dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| duke... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:22 am |
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:21:35 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
[quote]The Word of God is without error. God revealed, man wrote. And man's
writing is in the culture of his time.
I can find not one single book in the bible which claims divine
revelation.
[/quote]
You can't find that speaks of sunny Tuesdays either.
[quote] Who told you it was revealed and why did you believe them?
[/quote]
It's the only reality that makes sense.
[quote]If you're going to discuss God, you need to learn the difference between
the word of God in the bible and the handwriting of man.
Who told you the bible was revealed by god and why did you believe
them?
[/quote]
Food for my eternal salvation.
The Dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| Matt Giwer... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:46 pm |
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
[quote]On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:19:10 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:11:36 +0000, Martin Edwards
big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:56:29 +0000, Martin Edwards
big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com> wrote:
Nothing came before Almighty God. We know he existed at least 13.7
billion years ago. After all, he created the universe and all in
it.
We know this how?
He's the supreme creator. God is his name.
My question was we know this how?
Because some 13.7 billion years ago, an infinitely small point of mass
of infinite density appeared into nothingness and exploded outward to
form our universe including all mass, energy, time, and outer space.
Not what happened at all. Space appeared which happened to contain
matter. Space did not exist before this event.
I'll stick with an infinitely small point of mass of infinite density
appearing in nothingness. Outer space was created as the particles of
mass separated.
[/quote]
Where did you get the habit of sticking with things which are false?
[quote] Stop trying to pretend you understand the subject.
I do.
[/quote]
But you are wrong.
[quote]Remember, outer space is the void formed as the mass pieces separated
from themselves.
Nonsense. Space did not exist before the bang.
I know.
[/quote]
Which is not what you said.
[quote] Space came into existence at bang time and has been expanding ever
since. That is what the red shift is all about. Get with the program.
The red shift is about expansion???
[/quote]
Of course.
[quote]That's creation at it's finest, and that takes a supreme creator. We
named him God.
God is a generic name like car or bridge. It is not a personal name.
No, his game is creation as supreme creator, his name is God.
[/quote]
Who told you that and how did he know?
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god that is of stone?
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Sun Nov 8 23:43:31 EST 2009 |
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| Matt Giwer... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:48 pm |
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
[quote]On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:21:35 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
The Word of God is without error. God revealed, man wrote. And man's
writing is in the culture of his time.
I can find not one single book in the bible which claims divine
revelation.
You can't find that speaks of sunny Tuesdays either.
[/quote]
Nor would I expect to.
[quote] Who told you it was revealed and why did you believe them?
It's the only reality that makes sense.
[/quote]
Who told you it was revealed and why did you believe him?
[quote]If you're going to discuss God, you need to learn the difference between
the word of God in the bible and the handwriting of man.
Who told you the bible was revealed by god and why did you believe
them?
Food for my eternal salvation.
[/quote]
Who told you? Why did you believe them?
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| duke... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:34 am |
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:46:36 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
[quote]On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:19:10 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:11:36 +0000, Martin Edwards
big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:56:29 +0000, Martin Edwards
big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com> wrote:
Nothing came before Almighty God. We know he existed at least 13.7
billion years ago. After all, he created the universe and all in
it.
We know this how?
He's the supreme creator. God is his name.
My question was we know this how?
Because some 13.7 billion years ago, an infinitely small point of mass
of infinite density appeared into nothingness and exploded outward to
form our universe including all mass, energy, time, and outer space.
Not what happened at all. Space appeared which happened to contain
matter. Space did not exist before this event.
I'll stick with an infinitely small point of mass of infinite density
appearing in nothingness. Outer space was created as the particles of
mass separated.
Where did you get the habit of sticking with things which are false?
[/quote]
When the physicists said that's the way it is.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| duke... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:35 am |
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:48:37 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
[quote]On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:21:35 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
The Word of God is without error. God revealed, man wrote. And man's
writing is in the culture of his time.
I can find not one single book in the bible which claims divine
revelation.
You can't find that speaks of sunny Tuesdays either.
Nor would I expect to.
[/quote]
But it does.
The Dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| Matt Giwer... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:27 am |
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
[quote]On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:48:37 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:21:35 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
The Word of God is without error. God revealed, man wrote. And man's
writing is in the culture of his time.
I can find not one single book in the bible which claims divine
revelation.
You can't find that speaks of sunny Tuesdays either.
Nor would I expect to.
But it does.
[/quote]
Which Tuesdays?
Yet there are no claims of divine revelation. That is something you
are making up for no apparent reason. Why do you keep avoiding the
questions?
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Religion puts food on the tables of priests. This
is the sole purpose of religion.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4186
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| Matt Giwer... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:28 am |
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
[quote]On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:46:36 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:19:10 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:11:36 +0000, Martin Edwards
big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:56:29 +0000, Martin Edwards
big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com> wrote:
Nothing came before Almighty God. We know he existed at least 13.7
billion years ago. After all, he created the universe and all in
it.
We know this how?
He's the supreme creator. God is his name.
My question was we know this how?
Because some 13.7 billion years ago, an infinitely small point of mass
of infinite density appeared into nothingness and exploded outward to
form our universe including all mass, energy, time, and outer space.
Not what happened at all. Space appeared which happened to contain
matter. Space did not exist before this event.
I'll stick with an infinitely small point of mass of infinite density
appearing in nothingness. Outer space was created as the particles of
mass separated.
Where did you get the habit of sticking with things which are false?
When the physicists said that's the way it is.
[/quote]
There was no space. What is nothingness?
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those who do not believe in faeries.
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:28:11 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:46:36 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:19:10 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:11:36 +0000, Martin Edwards
big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:56:29 +0000, Martin Edwards
big_mart_98 at (no spam) Yahoo.com> wrote:
Nothing came before Almighty God. We know he existed at least 13.7
billion years ago. After all, he created the universe and all in
it.
We know this how?
He's the supreme creator. God is his name.
My question was we know this how?
Because some 13.7 billion years ago, an infinitely small point of mass
of infinite density appeared into nothingness and exploded outward to
form our universe including all mass, energy, time, and outer space.
Not what happened at all. Space appeared which happened to contain
matter. Space did not exist before this event.
I'll stick with an infinitely small point of mass of infinite density
appearing in nothingness. Outer space was created as the particles of
mass separated.
Where did you get the habit of sticking with things which are false?
When the physicists said that's the way it is.
There was no space. What is nothingness?
[/quote]
Now you're warning up to creation.
The Dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:43 am |
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:27:21 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:48:37 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, duke wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:21:35 -0500, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
The Word of God is without error. God revealed, man wrote. And man's
writing is in the culture of his time.
I can find not one single book in the bible which claims divine
revelation.
You can't find that speaks of sunny Tuesdays either.
Nor would I expect to.
But it does.
Which Tuesdays?
[/quote]
Any.
[quote] Yet there are no claims of divine revelation. That is something you
are making up for no apparent reason. Why do you keep avoiding the
questions?
[/quote]
You don't ask intelligent questions.
The Dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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