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Subject: "The Torture Wars are about the pipelines, stupid"-
Ambassador
Date: Nov 4, 2009 5:44 PM
Excellent.
"Murray alleged that in the late 1990s the Uzbek ambassador to the US
met with then-Texas Governor ***George W. Bush*** to discuss a
pipeline for the region, and out of that meeting came agreements that
would see Texas-based ***Enron*** gain the rights to Uzbekistan's
natural gas deposits, while oil company Unocal worked on developing
the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline.
"The consultant who was organizing this for ***Unocal*** was a certain
Mr. ***Karzai,*** who is now president of Afghanistan," Murray noted.
Murray said part of the motive in hyping up the threat of Islamic
terrorism in Uzbekistan through forced confessions was to ensure the
country remained on-side in the war on terror, so that the pipeline
could be built.
"There are designs of this pipeline, and if you look at the deployment
of US forces in Afghanistan, as against other NATO country forces in
Afghanistan, you'll see that undoubtedly the US forces are positioned
to guard the pipeline route. It's what it's about. ***It's about
money, it's about oil, it's not about democracy."***
http://www.actionlyme.org/BLACKGOLDISTAN_SPLAINER.htm
================http://rawstory.com/2009/11/ambassador-cia-people-tortured/
Former UK ambassador: CIA sent people to be ‘raped with broken
bottles’
By Daniel Tencer
Wednesday, November 4th, 2009 -- 3:31 pm
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craigmurray Former UK ambassador: CIA sent people to be raped with
broken bottlesThe CIA relied on intelligence based on torture in
prisons in Uzbekistan, a place where widespread torture practices
include raping suspects with broken bottles and boiling them alive,
says a former British ambassador to the central Asian country.
Craig Murray, the rector of the University of Dundee in Scotland and
until 2004 the UK's ambassador to Uzbekistan, said the CIA not only
relied on confessions gleaned through extreme torture, it sent terror
war suspects to Uzbekistan as part of its extraordinary rendition
program.
"I'm talking of people being raped with broken bottles," he said at a
lecture late last month that was re-broadcast by the Real News
Network. "I'm talking of people having their children tortured in
front of them until they sign a confession. I'm talking of people
being boiled alive. And the intelligence from these torture sessions
was being received by the CIA, and was being passed on."
Human rights groups have long been raising the alarm about the legal
system in Uzbekistan. In 2007, Human Rights Watch declared that
torture is "endemic" to the country's justice system.
Murray said he only realized after his stint as ambassador that the
CIA was sending people to be tortured in Uzbekistan, country he
describes as a "totalitarian" state that has never moved on from its
communist era, when it was a part of the Soviet Union.
Story continues below...
Suspects in Uzbekistan's gulags "were being told to confess to
membership in Al Qaeda. They were told to confess they'd been in
training camps in Afghanistan. They were told to confess they had met
Osama bin Laden in person. And the CIA intelligence constantly echoed
these themes."
"I was absolutely stunned -- it changed my whole world view in an
instant -- to be told that London knew [the intelligence] coming from
torture, that it was not illegal because our legal advisers had
decided that under the United Nations convention against torture, it
is not illegal to obtain or use intelligence gained from torture as
long as we didn't do the torture ourselves," Murray said.
IT'S THE PIPELINE, STUPID
Murray asserts that the primary motivation for US and British military
involvement in central Asia has to do with large natural gas deposits
in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. As evidence, he points to the plans to
build a natural gas pipeline through Afghanistan that would allow
Western oil companies to avoid Russia and Iran when transporting
natural gas out of the region.
Murray alleged that in the late 1990s the Uzbek ambassador to the US
met with then-Texas Governor George W. Bush to discuss a pipeline for
the region, and out of that meeting came agreements that would see
Texas-based Enron gain the rights to Uzbekistan's natural gas
deposits, while oil company Unocal worked on developing the Trans-
Afghanistan pipeline.
"The consultant who was organizing this for Unocal was a certain Mr.
Karzai, who is now president of Afghanistan," Murray noted.
Murray said part of the motive in hyping up the threat of Islamic
terrorism in Uzbekistan through forced confessions was to ensure the
country remained on-side in the war on terror, so that the pipeline
could be built.
"There are designs of this pipeline, and if you look at the deployment
of US forces in Afghanistan, as against other NATO country forces in
Afghanistan, you'll see that undoubtedly the US forces are positioned
to guard the pipeline route. It's what it's about. It's about money,
it's about oil, it's not about democracy."
The Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline is slated to be completed in 2014, with
$7.6 billion in funding from the Asian Development Bank.
Murray was dismissed from his position as ambassador in 2004,
following his first public allegations that the British government
relied on torture in Uzbekistan for intelligence.
The following videos were posted to YouTube by the Real News Network
on Oct. 26 and Nov. 4, 2009.
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news."-- NIH's Top Fool, Anthony Fauci |
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