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| Pat Flannery... |
 Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:43 am |
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Paul A. Suhler wrote:
[quote:41e66544b5]There has been interest here in Convair's Kingfish design,
which lost to Lockheed's A-12 Blackbird in the competition
to build the successor to the U-2. I was able to find a lot
of information about both FISH and Kingfish and put it in
my book which AIAA is publishing at the end of this month:
http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=360&id=1789
The FISH and Kingfish sections include the two major FISH
designs and photos of desk models of the five rejected
Kingfish designs. There are also drawings of Lockheed's
versions of FISH, the Navy's inflatable aircraft, and all
but two of Lockheed's Archangel series.
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Is this Kingfish pole model full size?:
http://www.testpilot.ru/usa/convair/kingfish/kingfish.htm
It always looked smaller than I would think it would be.
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| scottlowther at (no spam) ix.netcom.com... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:23 pm |
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On Sep 22, 6:15 pm, Pat Flannery <flan... at (no spam) daktel.com> wrote:
[quote:3c01407ba0]scottlowt... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com wrote:
and photos of desk models of the five rejected
Kingfish designs. There are also drawings of Lockheed's
versions of FISH, the Navy's inflatable aircraft, and all
but two of Lockheed's Archangel series.
3-view drawings, hopefully?
I've got to see that Navy one.
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Isometrics were published in another recent Blackbird book: "From
Archangel to Senior Crown: Design and Development of the Blackbird,"
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| Pat Flannery... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:15 pm |
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scottlowther at (no spam) ix.netcom.com wrote:
[quote:0320f4042e]and photos of desk models of the five rejected
Kingfish designs. There are also drawings of Lockheed's
versions of FISH, the Navy's inflatable aircraft, and all
but two of Lockheed's Archangel series.
3-view drawings, hopefully?
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I've got to see that Navy one.
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| Pat Flannery... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:56 pm |
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scottlowther at (no spam) ix.netcom.com wrote:
[quote:9750cb3d1b]On Sep 22, 6:15 pm, Pat Flannery <flan... at (no spam) daktel.com> wrote:
scottlowt... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com wrote:
and photos of desk models of the five rejected
Kingfish designs. There are also drawings of Lockheed's
versions of FISH, the Navy's inflatable aircraft, and all
but two of Lockheed's Archangel series.
3-view drawings, hopefully?
I've got to see that Navy one.
Isometrics were published in another recent Blackbird book: "From
Archangel to Senior Crown: Design and Development of the Blackbird,"
by Peter Merlin.
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It was supposed to be built by Goodyear and be inflatable...was it
inflated with helium or hydrogen by any chance?
For that matter, was the Goodyear inflatable plane that they made for
the CIA capable of being tanked up with helium also, as well as the
normal compressed air method?
You probably never would get to the point where that aircraft and its
pilot's weight could get airborne via the lifting force of the helium
inside of it, but at least the helium would help to some extent.
A lifting body design would be a whole other ball of wax, as the Aeron
26 showed: http://www.aereon.com/pages/aereon26.html
Although Aeron 26 used an internal framework, the shape is great for
using a entirely inflatable form made out of multiple heat-welded
plastic sheets if you don't want to go any too fast.
I never did buy the story that it was going to take a mile-wide Skyhook
balloon to carry the big rubber ramjet aloft, like Kelly Johnson claimed.
Also, was the Navy one even going to be manned?
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| Paul A. Suhler... |
| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:40 am |
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scottlowther at (no spam) ix.netcom.com <scottlowther at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:
[quote:49c8e7cbda]On Sep 22, 6:15 pm, Pat Flannery <flan... at (no spam) daktel.com> wrote:
scottlowt... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com wrote:
and photos of desk models of the five rejected
Kingfish designs. There are also drawings of Lockheed's
versions of FISH, the Navy's inflatable aircraft, and all
but two of Lockheed's Archangel series.
3-view drawings, hopefully?
I've got to see that Navy one.
Isometrics were published in another recent Blackbird book: "From
Archangel to Senior Crown: Design and Development of the Blackbird,"
by Peter Merlin.
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Those were drawn by John Whittenbury, who worked at the Skunk
Works right out of college, in the 1990s. They came from a
presentation that he gave on his last day at work before he
moved to Northrop Grumman.
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| Dr J R Stockton... |
| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:21 pm |
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In sci.space.history message <h9eqi9$e1c$1 at (no spam) pollux.usc.edu>, Wed, 23 Sep
2009 20:54:49, Paul A. Suhler <suhler at (no spam) pollux.usc.edu> posted:
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It wasn't up today, and AIAA found that their web site has
problems if the 10-digit ISBN has a letter in it, as mine
does. They said it'll be working before the book is released,
which should be the end of the month.
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Only the final character can be a letter, and it can only be X; and over
9% of them are X, in a manner not obviously distinguishable from random.
Black mark for AIAA, if you are right.
<URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-misc1.htm#BN10>.
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| Paul A. Suhler... |
| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:17 pm |
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Dr J R Stockton <reply0939 at (no spam) merlyn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[quote:36f3a3ae7f]Paul A. Suhler <suhler at (no spam) pollux.usc.edu> posted:
It wasn't up today, and AIAA found that their web site has
problems if the 10-digit ISBN has a letter in it, as mine
does. They said it'll be working before the book is released,
which should be the end of the month.
Only the final character can be a letter, and it can only be X; and over
9% of them are X, in a manner not obviously distinguishable from random.
Black mark for AIAA, if you are right.
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Yep, earlier today I checked out the Wikipedia page on ISBN,
validated the check character, and sent a link to the page
to my editor. He'll inform the web developers.
Sigh.
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| Pat Flannery... |
| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:37 pm |
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Paul A. Suhler wrote:
[quote:b677d0e0bf]Only the final character can be a letter, and it can only be X; and over
9% of them are X, in a manner not obviously distinguishable from random.
Black mark for AIAA, if you are right.
Yep, earlier today I checked out the Wikipedia page on ISBN,
validated the check character, and sent a link to the page
to my editor. He'll inform the web developers.
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See, that's what you get for writing a book about eXperimental aircraft
designs.
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| Paul A. Suhler... |
| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:16 am |
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Pat Flannery <flanner at (no spam) daktel.com> wrote:
[quote:a1a04f18cb]Paul A. Suhler wrote:
Yep, earlier today I checked out the Wikipedia page on ISBN,
validated the check character, and sent a link to the page
to my editor. He'll inform the web developers.
See, that's what you get for writing a book about eXperimental aircraft
designs.
Pat (runs)
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There are some people you can always tell. You just can't
tell them much.
;-)
Whoever chose "X" obviously wasn't a serious computer weenie.
For me the obvious choice would have been "A" -- hexadecimal
for 10.
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| scottlowther at (no spam) ix.netcom.com... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:48 am |
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