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| SaPeIsMa... |
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"David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006 at (no spam) msn.com> wrote in message
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# Not to mention that plenty of killing went on before guns were
# invented, and plenty goes on today where they aren't involved.
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# Not sure about carrying but self defense with any means is a natural
# right of any creature.
So let's make it simple for you
If self-defense is a right
Then it follows that preparing for self-defense is also covered by that
right
Then it follows that any tool used for self-defense is part of that right
Then it follows that a gun being currently the most effective tool for
self-defense, is therefore part of that right
Now wasn't that simple ? |
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| Andrew Swallow... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:10 pm |
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SaPeIsMa wrote:
[quote]
"David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006 at (no spam) msn.com> wrote in message
news:b9edfc26-7cee-49a9-8b08-3cfbd11cfc24 at (no spam) m35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
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# Not to mention that plenty of killing went on before guns were
# invented, and plenty goes on today where they aren't involved.
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# Not sure about carrying but self defense with any means is a natural
# right of any creature.
So let's make it simple for you
If self-defense is a right
Then it follows that preparing for self-defense is also covered by that
right
Then it follows that any tool used for self-defense is part of that right
Then it follows that a gun being currently the most effective tool for
self-defense, is therefore part of that right
Now wasn't that simple ?
[/quote]
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
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| Richard Casady... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:39 pm |
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:10:26 +0000, Andrew Swallow
<am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
[quote]No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
[/quote]
That is obvious bs. Where did you get such an absurdity? Tell us just
how you stab yourself with a pike? I suppose you can hurt your back
picking up a machine gun, but that is a stretch. Actually there is the
..25 pistol. Best that can be said about those is that if you shoot
somebody with one, it will give a slight edge in the fistfight that
will surely follow.
Casady |
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| Andrew Swallow... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:43 pm |
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Richard Casady wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:10:26 +0000, Andrew Swallow
am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
That is obvious bs. Where did you get such an absurdity? Tell us just
how you stab yourself with a pike? I suppose you can hurt your back
picking up a machine gun, but that is a stretch. Actually there is the
.25 pistol. Best that can be said about those is that if you shoot
somebody with one, it will give a slight edge in the fistfight that
will surely follow.
Casady
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A pike can be dropped on your foot.
With such little knowledge of the safe handling of weapons in a fully
armed society you are the chap that that needs *banning* from even
touching weapons.
Andrew Swallow |
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| Eugene Griessel... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:19 pm |
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:10:26 +0000, Andrew Swallow
<am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
[quote]SaPeIsMa wrote:
"David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006 at (no spam) msn.com> wrote in message
news:b9edfc26-7cee-49a9-8b08-3cfbd11cfc24 at (no spam) m35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
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# Not to mention that plenty of killing went on before guns were
# invented, and plenty goes on today where they aren't involved.
#
# Not sure about carrying but self defense with any means is a natural
# right of any creature.
So let's make it simple for you
If self-defense is a right
Then it follows that preparing for self-defense is also covered by that
right
Then it follows that any tool used for self-defense is part of that right
Then it follows that a gun being currently the most effective tool for
self-defense, is therefore part of that right
Now wasn't that simple ?
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
[/quote]
Obviously one of those neo-primitives who truly believes that
inanimate objects can actually be malevolent.
Eugene L Griessel
Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other
'sins' are invented nonsense. (Hurting yourself is not sinful--
just stupid.)
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| SaPeIsMa... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:20 pm |
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"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
[quote]SaPeIsMa wrote:
"David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006 at (no spam) msn.com> wrote in message
news:b9edfc26-7cee-49a9-8b08-3cfbd11cfc24 at (no spam) m35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
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# Not to mention that plenty of killing went on before guns were
# invented, and plenty goes on today where they aren't involved.
#
# Not sure about carrying but self defense with any means is a natural
# right of any creature.
So let's make it simple for you
If self-defense is a right
Then it follows that preparing for self-defense is also covered by that
right
Then it follows that any tool used for self-defense is part of that right
Then it follows that a gun being currently the most effective tool for
self-defense, is therefore part of that right
Now wasn't that simple ?
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
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LOL
Talk about not being able to think your way out of a bag open at both
ends...
1) You claim
"Weapons are most likely to hurt your self"
Do you have ANY data to support that claim ?
And keep in mind, that a weapon is an INANIMATE OBJECT that is
INCAPABLE of acting on it's own
Take as many screens as you need
2) You also claim that
"So the ban on suicide bans weapons."
This is ABSOLUTE NONSENSE, UNSUPPORTED by ANY evidence.
As a matter of fact, Christianity as banned simple suicide for
thousands of years, and it has done NOTHING AT ALL to achieve ANY ban on
weapons during that time.."
Maybe you need to THINK about this before you post again. |
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:17 pm |
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Andrew Swallow <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
:SaPeIsMa wrote:
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:> "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006 at (no spam) msn.com> wrote in message
:> news:b9edfc26-7cee-49a9-8b08-3cfbd11cfc24 at (no spam) m35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
:> #
:> # Not to mention that plenty of killing went on before guns were
:> # invented, and plenty goes on today where they aren't involved.
:> #
:> # Not sure about carrying but self defense with any means is a natural
:> # right of any creature.
:>
:> So let's make it simple for you
:> If self-defense is a right
:> Then it follows that preparing for self-defense is also covered by that
:> right
:> Then it follows that any tool used for self-defense is part of that right
:> Then it follows that a gun being currently the most effective tool for
:> self-defense, is therefore part of that right
:> Now wasn't that simple ?
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:No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self.
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That's only true if you're an idiot. I can see why you're concerned
about it, but I'm not.
Just think of it as evolution in action...
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"Der Feige droht nur, wo er sicher ist."
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe |
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| Roger Conroy... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:34 am |
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"Fred J. McCall" <fjmccall at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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[quote]Andrew Swallow <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
:SaPeIsMa wrote:
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:> "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006 at (no spam) msn.com> wrote in message
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:> #
:> # Not to mention that plenty of killing went on before guns were
:> # invented, and plenty goes on today where they aren't involved.
:> #
:> # Not sure about carrying but self defense with any means is a natural
:> # right of any creature.
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:> So let's make it simple for you
:> If self-defense is a right
:> Then it follows that preparing for self-defense is also covered by that
:> right
:> Then it follows that any tool used for self-defense is part of that
right
:> Then it follows that a gun being currently the most effective tool for
:> self-defense, is therefore part of that right
:> Now wasn't that simple ?
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:No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self.
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That's only true if you're an idiot. I can see why you're concerned
about it, but I'm not.
Just think of it as evolution in action...
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"Der Feige droht nur, wo er sicher ist."
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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There's even an award to be won if you get it right.... |
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| Paul J. Adam... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:30 pm |
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In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4p2d at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
<am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
[quote]No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
[/quote]
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
--
He thinks too much, such men are dangerous.
Paul J. Adam |
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:32 am |
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On Nov 5, 6:27 am, richardcas... at (no spam) earthlink.net (Richard Casady) wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:08:20 +0000, Andrew Swallow
am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
In the US it is usual for cops to carry a pistol when off duty. It
seems that the enemies they make on duty are still there when the
shift ends. Sometimes they have to shoot someone who richly deserves
it.
Casady
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Also, the possibility of being called into action without time to
"suit up". I tell the tale of my niece's husband's funeral. The guy
who spoke told of Iron Mike carrying a wad of bills and having a gun
at hand, even when in the shower. His response for both "you never
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| Andrew Swallow... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:08 am |
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Paul J. Adam wrote:
[quote]In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4p2d at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons[/quote]
when off duty.
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:18 am |
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On Nov 5, 7:13 am, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI... at (no spam) HotMail.com> wrote:
[quote]"Andrew Swallow" <am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:nZudnZZBastD5G_XnZ2dnUVZ8rNi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4... at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
LOL
Everything is possible
Now change soldiers to police.
By the way, explain to us why in rhe US, with over 300,000,000 guns in
private hands, there are only about 900 fatal accidents annually, while with
about the same number of cars, there are over 42,000 accidental deaths.
Oh and about 8,000,000,000,000 billion rounds of ammo are fired off with
those guns annually.
Your claim does not hold water
I als notice that you shied away from answering my post.
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First, few people drink and shoot |
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| Eugene Griessel... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:05 am |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:08:20 +0000, Andrew Swallow
<am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
[quote]Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4p2d at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
[/quote]
And why do traffic policemen have to put away their motorbikes when
off duty?
Eugene L Griessel
If the pen is mightier than the sword and a picture is worth
a thousand words, how dangerous is a Fax?
- I post only from Sci.Military.Naval - |
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| William Black... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:44 am |
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Eugene Griessel wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:08:20 +0000, Andrew Swallow
am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4p2d at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
And why do traffic policemen have to put away their motorbikes when
off duty?
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My experience of traffic policemen who ride motorcycles for a living is
that when they put away their duty machine they promptly get on a
privately owned machine and keep on riding.
My experience of soldiers is that when they put their weapons away they
do NOT promptly strap on a privately owned one and are delighted to not
to have to lug the things around the place.
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
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| Eugene Griessel... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:30 am |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:44:58 +0000, William Black
<william.black at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
[quote]Eugene Griessel wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:08:20 +0000, Andrew Swallow
am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4p2d at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
And why do traffic policemen have to put away their motorbikes when
off duty?
My experience of traffic policemen who ride motorcycles for a living is
that when they put away their duty machine they promptly get on a
privately owned machine and keep on riding.
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You obviously have richer traffic cops than we do!
Eugene L Griessel
The young have aspirations that never come to pass.
The old have reminiscences of what never happened.
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