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| French dental practice in London... |
 Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:07 am |
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Hi everyone,
since I tried using Lumineers, I keep having problems.
some chipped in different ways, but the main problem is that he
lutting process seems not reliable in my hands.
I use all the genuine denmat products, follow exactly the guidlines
but 15% of te placed lumineers fell off.
I must say that I am an experienced cosmetic dentist having placed a
large number of traditional veneers before, without any problem.
any suggestion? do you use any bonding protocol/products other than
those recommended by cerinate?
thanks for your comments.
bertrand |
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| New B.... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:41 am |
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OK, I'll take a stab at it.
First off, Den Mat products are overpriced crap.
You can get better materials for lower cost.
Second, there is no way to make a 'no-prep' dental restoration.
The restoration, especially porcelain, must have some thickness
for strength.
The stupid 'contact lens' marketing is laughable, even lenses
for the eye have thickness, and are for a vastly different function.
Thirdly isolation during the 'bonding' procedure is paramount..!!!
You cannot bond in a wet field with current materials, despite the
hype of 'wet field bonding'.
Have been using Calibra for porcelain veneers for years.
Only two failures in 20 years, and that was due to fractured
porcelain because of abnormal incisal forces.
<0.01% failure rate.
Veneer cases must be protected from parafunction, include
a night guard of your choice.
Recommend the NTI; include it for 'free' at delivery.
My SisTaH <AmatusCremona> has a couple of decades of experience
bonding porcelain restorations.
If you are lucky, and she has a mind to chime in,
you may receive a couple of diamonds of porcelain bonding info.
Lastly, my advice to you is to immediately cease and desist from
providing 'Lumineers' .
The concept is faulty, despite the success of the media
blitz campaign.
Provide all of your previous 'lumineer clients' with *any* type of
night-guard as soon as possible.
Best wishes, Frenchy in London,
-newB
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:07:01 -0700 (PDT), French dental practice in
London <frenchdentalpractice at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:
[quote]Hi everyone,
since I tried using Lumineers, I keep having problems.
some chipped in different ways, but the main problem is that he
lutting process seems not reliable in my hands.
I use all the genuine denmat products, follow exactly the guidlines
but 15% of te placed lumineers fell off.
I must say that I am an experienced cosmetic dentist having placed a
large number of traditional veneers before, without any problem.
any suggestion? do you use any bonding protocol/products other than
those recommended by cerinate?
thanks for your comments.
bertrand[/quote] |
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| French dental practice in London... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:45 pm |
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thanxs newB for your comments  )
Bertrand. |
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| Amatus Cremona... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:15 pm |
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[quote]First off, Den Mat products are overpriced crap.
You can get better materials for lower cost.
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No need to say more.
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"New B." <newbie at (no spam) bix.nex> wrote in message
news:ijkoe5d1bqdbmaf0rdm37o5p37gjhpcab8 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote]
OK, I'll take a stab at it.
First off, Den Mat products are overpriced crap.
You can get better materials for lower cost.
Second, there is no way to make a 'no-prep' dental restoration.
The restoration, especially porcelain, must have some thickness
for strength.
The stupid 'contact lens' marketing is laughable, even lenses
for the eye have thickness, and are for a vastly different function.
Thirdly isolation during the 'bonding' procedure is paramount..!!!
You cannot bond in a wet field with current materials, despite the
hype of 'wet field bonding'.
Have been using Calibra for porcelain veneers for years.
Only two failures in 20 years, and that was due to fractured
porcelain because of abnormal incisal forces.
0.01% failure rate.
Veneer cases must be protected from parafunction, include
a night guard of your choice.
Recommend the NTI; include it for 'free' at delivery.
My SisTaH <AmatusCremona> has a couple of decades of experience
bonding porcelain restorations.
If you are lucky, and she has a mind to chime in,
you may receive a couple of diamonds of porcelain bonding info.
Lastly, my advice to you is to immediately cease and desist from
providing 'Lumineers' .
The concept is faulty, despite the success of the media
blitz campaign.
Provide all of your previous 'lumineer clients' with *any* type of
night-guard as soon as possible.
Best wishes, Frenchy in London,
-newB
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:07:01 -0700 (PDT), French dental practice in
London <frenchdentalpractice at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
since I tried using Lumineers, I keep having problems.
some chipped in different ways, but the main problem is that he
lutting process seems not reliable in my hands.
I use all the genuine denmat products, follow exactly the guidlines
but 15% of te placed lumineers fell off.
I must say that I am an experienced cosmetic dentist having placed a
large number of traditional veneers before, without any problem.
any suggestion? do you use any bonding protocol/products other than
those recommended by cerinate?
thanks for your comments.
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| Dartos... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:07 am |
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Can't argue with anything stated thus far.
Someone is always trying to come up with a magic short cut to
simplify and cheapen service.
The vast majority of these 'short cuts' result in an inferior
product.
If you were trying to get someone some nice wedding photos and
not worry about their fifth anniversary, Lumineers might be fine.
Most of us want to give our patients more than that.
JMO,
D
[quote]Lastly, my advice to you is to immediately cease and desist from
providing 'Lumineers' .
The concept is faulty, despite the success of the media
blitz campaign.
Provide all of your previous 'lumineer clients' with *any* type of
night-guard as soon as possible.
Best wishes, Frenchy in London,
-newB[/quote] |
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