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| Michael A. Terrell... |
 Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:09 pm |
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John Larkin wrote:
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Some court should issue a restraining order keeping you 100 meters
from any computer.
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No, someone should taser skydummy every time he touches a computer.
It will either force him to stay away from computers, or fry what little
is left of his mind.
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| Skybuck... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:37 pm |
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Nice/creative idea's here my thoughts on it:
1. Sawing/cutting into the plastic would not be a good idea... it
would further weaken it and then the stock amd cooler might not even
hold on anymore.
2. Metal clips attached to screw probably not gonna work... I might
have a little bit of metal wire or a paper clip but I see no
possibility of attaching it... the screw also has little room on the
end of it... it's very tight fit... also the cpu cooler has to be
perfectly attached to cpu otherwise it won't cool properly. So I don't
want a shaky solution and this would be a very shaky solution.
Thanks for thinking about solutions anyway it was kinda interesting !
I had two motherboards... I sent one back to webshop... but then
didn't give RMA (I already wrote about that in the past)... I didn't
ask for the motherboard back because of possible shipping costs or
fines or whatever... it's kinda a bummer... because if I still had old
dead motherboard then I could have easily replaced the retention clip.
I am still gonna ask them the motherboard back... they kinda owe me
since they said it would be fine for RMA replacement... curious if
they still have it... probably not... I also wonder about possibly
shipping costs...
Anyway before I can do that I need to fix my "Dream/Nightmare PC"
first because I want to use the outlook express folders for it to keep
messages in sync and stored.
So my only solution for now I using the stock AMD CPU Cooler that came
with the processor... Maybe it's better after all...
Scythe admitted that their cooler obstructs airflow which could be
bad... Also it might blow dust into the memory chips (new theory from
me  ) and cause short circuits in memory chip  Or maybe it will
blow heat into memory chip... either of those two... Ofcourse could be
general failure but I don't really believe that... or maybe these
chips were of lower quality and that's why they sent me back two ?!?
hmm..
Well I need my computer back online since I don't wanna move my
printer and all kinds of shit... and it will be easier to do printing
and all kinds of stuff...
It will kinda be interesting to see what the temperatures will be...
with the Scythe it was cpu between 35 and 45 degrees... and
motherboard 35 to 40 degrees... maybe sometimes 43 or 45 but rarely...
most mb to 40 degrees or so...
It depends on how much the pc dust filters are filled/obstructed.
I usually also run fans on 10 to 25% speed or so for low sound... so
low to modest airflow...
Local computer store went out of bussiness otherwise maybe they had
these retention clips... I also wasted a little bit of artic silver 7
but fortunately I have two tubes or so... and I only need a little bit
so that's ok... Now hopefully I don't break anything when trying to
press that cooler onto it Probably not... but ya never know...
maybe micro fractures :)
Sad sad sad damn machine LOL.(But it is fast and low noise )
Bye,
Skybuck. |
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| D from BC... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:06 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:05:43 -0700 (PDT), Skybuck
<skybuck2000 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Fucking unbelievable... after removing Scythe Zipang cpu cooler the
motherboard is now unusuable ?!
Because of stupid mounting weak plastic bullshit !
1 millimeter of black plastic was probably already missing when I
received the motherboard from a webshop called iComputers which went
bankrupt... this was probably an RMA motherboard but still... I can
vaguely remember noticing this plastic was slightly missing.
Apperently a miracle I managed to be able to use it the first time...
but now a little bit of black plastic probably came off... and now the
cpu cooler clips will not attach and hold on ?!
This fucking sux ! I was in a slight hurry but I didn't see anything
breaking off what so ever... I used two screwdrivers to slightly wedge
the clips from under the black plastic...
This mounting system totally sucks and is truely totally fucking
retarded. Can't remember what it was called A1 or something... and the
pushpin things seem to suck as well..
What' wrong with just a bunch of screws ?!?!
Well enough said... I need to go do other things unfortunately this is
major ass fuck going on right now, Pictures:
Makes me never want to buy a pc again:
http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/MotherboardUnusuableMissing1mm
http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/MotherboardUnusuableMissing1mm/LeftBad.JPG
http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/MotherboardUnusuableMissing1mm/RightGood.JPG
Maybe it's time to truely switch to a Mac or so ?! HAHA LOL FUCK
VISTA FUCK WINDOWS 7 ??
FUCK INTEL AND FUCK AMD AND FUCK NVIDIA AND FUCK ASUS.
I AM DONE WITH YOU FUCKING RETARDS ! ;)
Time will tell ;)
Bye,
Skybuck.
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If I got this right.. (I tend to speed read your posts.)
You got one shot..
Use 2 thermal epoxy and glue the cpu and sink together permanently.
Ex: Arctic Silver makes an epoxy.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_thermal_adhesive.htm
Glue it together and then sell it on craigslist.  |
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| mpm... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:10 am |
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On Oct 31, 4:09 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr... at (no spam) earthlink.net>
wrote:
[quote]John Larkin wrote:
Some court should issue a restraining order keeping you 100 meters
from any computer.
No, someone should taser skydummy every time he touches a computer..
It will either force him to stay away from computers, or fry what little
is left of his mind.
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The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
[/quote]
Skydummy titled his post:
Motherboard unusuable because of 1 millimeter of missing
plastic ?!?!?!?! Options
I'm thinking the gap is a lot smaller than that...
Like the one between his synapses. |
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| Skybuck Flying... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:09 am |
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Ok,
As usually it's good to be back ! :)
The stock AMD CPU Cooler has been mounted and is working and slightly
humming/zooming for now this is acceptable :)
Cool & Quiet is not yet on... maybe later I turn it on so the cpu fan can
spin more slowly for quieter operation...
Currently the temperatures are:
CPU: 30 degrees.
Motherboard: 31 to 32 degrees.
Rounds per minute for cpu: 3139.
Rounds per minute for power supply: 760.
I am kinda surprised about the low temperatures... I kinda expected it...
but not this low ?! ;)
PC has been running for like one hour or so... mostly doing chkdsk and just
booting... and idling...
I think the low temperatures can be explained by the improved airflow... the
stock AMD CPU cooler is much smaller than the Scythe Zipang... thus the
Scythe Zipang was obstructing airflow ?!?
However it's too early to tell what will happen when the system is put under
load...
I am also curious about what will happen if cool & quiet is on... and what
will happen if the dust filters get full...
The dust filters are currently pretty much empty...
I dripped some oil into the most important fans as well...
And I also blew out some dust from the case... and removed some dust from
the case fans... mostly just on the blades...
Fan speed is like 10 to 25% as usual which looks like follows:
Speed knob:
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Diagonal marking from top left to bottom right.
I also did a short memtest of 3 minutes or so to see if any errors detect...
none detected. (Bad memory chip has been replaced).
Holding my hand above the top fan almost seems as if it's now able to expell
heat better.. but this could be deceiving since my hand will cool down and
then it feels warmer but still... it does seem as if the heat can rise more
easily towards the top fan... the heat wave looks less wiggly... and
possibly going up faster
So probably less turbulence in case ;)
Well that's all I have to say for now... me happy again :)
Bye,
Skybuck =D |
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| Skybuck Flying... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:59 am |
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After watching some youtube video's the temperatures are now:
CPU: 36 degrees.
Motherboard: 32 to 33 degrees.
No changes were made...
Bye,
Skybuck. |
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| Skybuck Flying... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:17 am |
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I saw CPU temperatures rise to 42 degrees while just watching some you tube
video's... makes me wonder what will happen when I play games or run really
cpu intensive stuff...
However the motherboard temperature remained pretty stable around 32 or 33
degrees.
Though maybe that will rise under heavy loads as well... hmm ;)
Bye,
Skybuck. |
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| larry moe 'n curly... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:15 pm |
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Skybuck wrote:
[quote]1. Sawing/cutting into the plastic would not be a good idea... it
would further weaken it and then the stock amd cooler might not even
hold on anymore.
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But because of your carelessness, you have nothing to lose now, and if
you cut into the plastic and make the notch rounded, it will probably
hold up better than the original. And, as I said earlier, grind off
the rough edges of the metal clip so they don't cut into the plastic.
[quote]2. Metal clips attached to screw probably not gonna work... I might
have a little bit of metal wire or a paper clip but I see no
possibility of attaching it...
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A piece of metal wire (is there such a thing as non-metal wire?) is
going to be much weaker. I don't see why a piece of flat steel, about
1cm wide, under the screw, with its end bent down over the hook area
of the plastic, won't work, and if clearance with the screw is tight,
just drill a countersink in the metal and substitute a flathead
screw.
[quote]So I don't want a shaky solution and this would be a very shaky solution.
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It's not a shaky solution but a solid, practical one, and if you had
reinforced both sides of the plastic that way before installing the
heatsink clip, it's unlikely any plastic would have broken. |
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| Michael A. Terrell... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:26 pm |
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mpm wrote:
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On Oct 31, 4:09 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr... at (no spam) earthlink.net
wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
Some court should issue a restraining order keeping you 100 meters
from any computer.
No, someone should taser skydummy every time he touches a computer.
It will either force him to stay away from computers, or fry what little
is left of his mind.
--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
Skydummy titled his post:
Motherboard unusuable because of 1 millimeter of missing
plastic ?!?!?!?! Options
I'm thinking the gap is a lot smaller than that...
Like the one between his synapses.
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Impossible! He has no synapses. He mistreated them like he does his
computers and they died, too.
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| Skybuck Flying... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:55 pm |
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Ok, putting a metal "clip" under the black plastic to reinforce it might be
a nice idea...
It would look like so:
/\ <- screw ?!
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/===|||| <- black plastic
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metal clip ?! ;)
I see two potential problems with this:
1. The metal clip might shoot out.
2. The metal clip might bend...
Furthermore I don't think I have a metal clip that's that small and could
fit... I might look around to see if I see something... but for now I am
happy with the stock AMD CPU cooler which is held up perfectly and little
risk except maybe reduced cpu cooling... but motherboard temperature seems
ok... I haven't tested yet with high end games though...
So I am not a metal expert and I have no metal cutting skills or equipment
:)
Also I fail to see how the metal clip might be attached to the screw...
However maybe a clip from a pepsi/fanta can might do the trick ? But I think
it's probably to big to fit through the holes of the cooler clips ! And
possibly to weak.. it's probably aluminium...
Maybe "soldering" some thing wire to the metal clips might hold the metal
clips in place... though I think it could break off...
If anything breaks off or shoots out then the cpu cooler would come crashing
down and could damage the graphics cards... I do have a backup one though...
but it could also maybe damage the motherboard itself... or bend some pci
slots or so... and graphics card might shoot out and damage soundblaster
which I do not really have a spare for nor do I wanna damage it :)
The whole idea of a cpu cooler coming down and crashing stuff is a scary
thought ! ;)
I think the whole design of the Scythe Zipang cpu cooler was bad from the
start.
1. Airflow obstruction
2. Weight
3. Clipping system depending on millimeters of weak black plastic.
4. Even packaging says not to use it for "high cpu loads" which is a pretty
good indication that they know it "sux" :)
For now I wonder which cpu cooler is better so for now I will be using the
stock AMD CPU cooler...
Again I thank you for thinking about solutions... (it might come in handy in
the future some day in case I wanna try it or need it ! )
Maybe you could make a picture of your solution and show it... it kinda
sounds like you have experience with it ? ;)
Bye,
Skybuck. |
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| larry moe 'n curly... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:15 pm |
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Skybuck Flying wrote:
[quote]
Ok, putting a metal "clip" under the black plastic to reinforce it might be
a nice idea...
It would look like so:
/\ <- screw ?!
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/===|||| <- black plastic
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metal clip ?! ;)
I see two potential problems with this:
1. The metal clip might shoot out.
2. The metal clip might bend...
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That's because you have it EXACTLY wrong. The metal clip goes on top
of the plastic, not under it. I would put it directly under the
screw, after bending the metal so it follows the contour of the
plastic under it (probably two bends, the first 20-45 degrees
downward, the second so the metal is vertical with the outer edge of
the plastic). The metal backs the plastic. Fill gaps with epoxy
putty if more strength is needed.
_____
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/ screw
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[quote]Furthermore I don't think I have a metal clip that's that small and could
fit... I might look around to see if I see something...
Also I fail to see how the metal clip might be attached to the screw...
[/quote]
With a hole through it, of course. Why do you think, when you
suggested there might not be enough clearance, I answered that the
hole could be counterbored and a flathead screw used?
[quote]However maybe a clip from a pepsi/fanta can might do the trick ?
[/quote]
You have an interesting thought process.
I'm talking steel, not aluminum, 1-2mm thick, like the kind used for
rear brackets of computer plug-in cards or the covers for unused slots
(the flat covers, not the ribbed ones). Also hardware stores and
hobby shops sell small pieces of steel, and stainless is stronger than
regular steel (and harder to cut and drill).
[quote]Maybe "soldering" some thing wire to the metal clips might hold the metal
clips in place... though I think it could break off...
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You don't need to solder anything, and regular solder (i.e., not the
kind with high silver content that needs an oxygen torch to melt it)
is too weak.
As I said, you have an "interesting" thought process. |
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| Glenn Gundlach... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:44 pm |
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On Nov 1, 4:55 pm, "Skybuck Flying" <BloodySh... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Ok, putting a metal "clip" under the black plastic to reinforce it might be
a nice idea...
It would look like so:
/\ <- screw ?!
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/===|||| <- black plastic
\===||||
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metal clip ?! ;)
I see two potential problems with this:
1. The metal clip might shoot out.
2. The metal clip might bend...
Furthermore I don't think I have a metal clip that's that small and could
fit... I might look around to see if I see something... but for now I am
happy with the stock AMD CPU cooler which is held up perfectly and little
risk except maybe reduced cpu cooling... but motherboard temperature seems
ok... I haven't tested yet with high end games though...
So I am not a metal expert and I have no metal cutting skills or equipment
:)
Also I fail to see how the metal clip might be attached to the screw...
However maybe a clip from a pepsi/fanta can might do the trick ? But I think
it's probably to big to fit through the holes of the cooler clips ! And
possibly to weak.. it's probably aluminium...
Maybe "soldering" some thing wire to the metal clips might hold the metal
clips in place... though I think it could break off...
If anything breaks off or shoots out then the cpu cooler would come crashing
down and could damage the graphics cards... I do have a backup one though....
but it could also maybe damage the motherboard itself... or bend some pci
slots or so... and graphics card might shoot out and damage soundblaster
which I do not really have a spare for nor do I wanna damage it :)
The whole idea of a cpu cooler coming down and crashing stuff is a scary
thought ! ;)
I think the whole design of the Scythe Zipang cpu cooler was bad from the
start.
1. Airflow obstruction
2. Weight
3. Clipping system depending on millimeters of weak black plastic.
4. Even packaging says not to use it for "high cpu loads" which is a pretty
good indication that they know it "sux" :)
For now I wonder which cpu cooler is better so for now I will be using the
stock AMD CPU cooler...
Again I thank you for thinking about solutions... (it might come in handy in
the future some day in case I wanna try it or need it ! )
Maybe you could make a picture of your solution and show it... it kinda
sounds like you have experience with it ? ;)
Bye,
Skybuck.
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So why did you pay extra for something that you screwed up? I just
used the coolers that came with the Phenoms and have no problems at
all. I thought it was much more difficult to change coolers on Athlon
socket 462 yet I never broke one, even the one that got switched out
testing processors and changing coolers.
Do you have a dark cloud following you around? Does it rain only on
you?
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| Skybuck Flying... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:06 am |
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Funny enough the webshop "alternate" sent back the failed RMA ;)
So I got my second motherboard back ! I was kinda surprised ! :)
I inspected the second motherboard it more or less has the same problem but
less severe...
Pretty amazing.
For now I will keep the stock AMD CPU Cooler...
It's quite interesting really... with this default cooler the cpu
temperature rises high to 47 degrees or so... but the motherboard stays very
cool at 32 to 33 degrees.
What's even more interesting is that when the cpu load stops... the
temperature quickly lowers to about 31 degrees or so...
This proves that the case is good at expelling heat... and this also proves
that the Scythe Zipang was obstructing airflow big time ! With that big
cooler it would take very long before temperatures dropped !
I am just hoping that with this tiny cpu cooler the components around the
cpu don't fry ?! ;)
Time will tell...
Yesterday was also a first... I was venting my place... temperatures dropped
at night... lowest I have seen so far... cpu was 25 degrees motherboard more
or less the same... that worried me a little bit... such high temperature
changes might be bad... fortunately I don't do that too often...
Kinda makes me wonder if motherboard death might be temperature fluctations
related... for now I am hoping for the best ! ;)
Also it seems amd power saving has been on all this time after all ?!? I
didn't know I was using it :)
I guess I just didn't enable cool & quiet or so ?!? Since I think the cpu
fan spinning at full speed which is I think a good thing... for now I am
gonna let it be ! ;)
Bye,
Skybuck. |
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