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| HVAC... |
 Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:14 am |
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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[quote]
Andy, I am having a tough time believing that you're THAT stupid.
[/quote]
(I now wish to rescind that statement)
[quote]Hoagland claimed (and YOU back him up) that astronauts had to dodge
glass structures on the moon while landing. Did they land on the
darkside?
The only thing I specifically backed up was the fact that *all* structures
were routinely airbrushed out, not necessarily glass ones and not
necessarily on the near side.
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The mental gymnastics that you have to go through to defend
your ideas would win a gold medal in the kook Olympics.
Ironic, isn't it?
You defend your unsubstantiated claims as would a religious nut.
Not with facts, but with fervor.
Ghosts, ufo's and other bullshit is the new religion of the millenium.
[quote]I was unable to find any reports or articles where Hoagland says that
"astronauts had to dodge glass structures on the moon while landing". It
was most likely just a throw away line in an interview or something.
In fact if there are glass structures on the moon, which I don't know that
there are, then they probably wouldn't be seen by private telescopes
especially if they were rounded.
The structures I mainly referred to were the ones photographed on the far
side by the Luna obiter.
http://www.ufocasebook.com/moonstructures.html
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Let's see. If he's telling the truth (no) then he's a traitor divulging
secrets that he SWORE not to reveal, or he's a liar (yes).
[quote]I think that your intent here seems to be just to try to pin things on
people for sole purpose of ridicule.
[/quote]
Ummmmm, YA. That's what I do.
[quote]F.Y.I. this is not a humour group.
[/quote]
I find this EXTREMELY comical!
[quote]But I guess you've got nothing better to do with your life.
[/quote]
The 15-20 minutes a day that I devote here is richly rewarded
in smiles, laughs and giggles.
[quote]That's theoretical physics science which is very competitive.
This is ufo research which is a very different ballgame.
Of COURSE it is...That's because it's a religion, not science.
That's your opinion.
[/quote]
That's all I got dude.
[quote]Its not exactly a science in itself, its more like an ongoing
investigation, but it has elements of science like advanced technologies,
propulsion, space travel, life on other planets, etc.
[/quote]
And what insights into advanced propulsion systems has ufo
research given us to date?
(awkward silence)
[quote]Religion is when a group of people believe things based on nothing but old
stories and legends.
[/quote]
Tell that to scientologists.
Ghosts, ufo's and other bullshit is the new religion of the millenium.
[quote]Then why won't you just admit that he's a cocksucking liar?
That's going a bit far. He's very passionate. That trait always has some
good and bad sides.
[/quote]
Funny how you defending Hoagland is similar to
Tom Cruise defending L. Ron Hubbard.
Coincidence?
Ghosts, ufo's and other bullshit is the new religion of the millenium.
[quote]Lying is when you know something's definitely not true.
[/quote]
Do you know that scientology isn't true?
Are you 100% certain it isn't true?
~
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| Andrew W... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:44 pm |
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HVAC wrote:
[quote]"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote in message
news:4aecd7a7$0$5423$afc38c87 at (no spam) news.optusnet.com.au...
Andy, I am having a tough time believing that you're THAT stupid.
(I now wish to rescind that statement)
[/quote]
Why thank you. You're very kind.
[quote]
Hoagland claimed (and YOU back him up) that astronauts had to dodge
glass structures on the moon while landing. Did they land on the
darkside?
The only thing I specifically backed up was the fact that *all*
structures were routinely airbrushed out, not necessarily glass ones
and not necessarily on the near side.
The mental gymnastics that you have to go through to defend
your ideas would win a gold medal in the kook Olympics.
[/quote]
It wasn't mental gymnastics for me. I just untwisted all your twisted false
accusations.
[quote]
Ironic, isn't it?
You defend your unsubstantiated claims as would a religious nut.
Not with facts, but with fervor.
[/quote]
Sorry, but I and others in this field work only with facts.
Its just that you hate certain facts and research like cats hate swimming
pools.
[quote]
Ghosts, ufo's and other bullshit is the new religion of the millenium.
[/quote]
21st century science is a religion to all ignorant old flag-wavers.
[quote]
I was unable to find any reports or articles where Hoagland says that
"astronauts had to dodge glass structures on the moon while
landing". It was most likely just a throw away line in an interview
or something. In fact if there are glass structures on the moon, which I
don't
know that there are, then they probably wouldn't be seen by private
telescopes especially if they were rounded.
The structures I mainly referred to were the ones photographed on
the far side by the Luna obiter.
http://www.ufocasebook.com/moonstructures.html
Let's see. If he's telling the truth (no) then he's a traitor
divulging secrets that he SWORE not to reveal, or he's a liar (yes).
[/quote]
A traitor against a traitorous government is a friend.
And we have documented proof that we have a traitorous government.
[quote]
I think that your intent here seems to be just to try to pin things
on people for sole purpose of ridicule.
Ummmmm, YA. That's what I do.
F.Y.I. this is not a humour group.
I find this EXTREMELY comical!
But I guess you've got nothing better to do with your life.
The 15-20 minutes a day that I devote here is richly rewarded
in smiles, laughs and giggles.
[/quote]
By who? Your fractured multiple selves?
Ah, you have a mirror next to your screen.
[quote]
That's theoretical physics science which is very competitive.
This is ufo research which is a very different ballgame.
Of COURSE it is...That's because it's a religion, not science.
That's your opinion.
That's all I got dude.
[/quote]
Yep.
[quote]
Its not exactly a science in itself, its more like an ongoing
investigation, but it has elements of science like advanced
technologies, propulsion, space travel, life on other planets, etc.
And what insights into advanced propulsion systems has ufo
research given us to date?
(awkward silence)
[/quote]
Many. I have also seen several patents.
[quote]
Religion is when a group of people believe things based on nothing
but old stories and legends.
Tell that to scientologists.
[/quote]
Scientologists are only into ripping people off.
[quote]
Ghosts, ufo's and other bullshit is the new religion of the millenium.
Then why won't you just admit that he's a cocksucking liar?
That's going a bit far. He's very passionate. That trait always has
some good and bad sides.
Funny how you defending Hoagland is similar to
Tom Cruise defending L. Ron Hubbard.
Coincidence?
[/quote]
Hubbard was actually straight out crazy.
See the doco "Secret lives of L. Ron Hubbard".
[quote]
Ghosts, ufo's and other bullshit is the new religion of the millenium.
Lying is when you know something's definitely not true.
Do you know that scientology isn't true?
Are you 100% certain it isn't true?
[/quote]
Actually I have studied the principles of Dianetics and found some very
interesting things, but I'm not going to say what they are.
[quote]~
Ghosts, ufo's and other bullshit is the new religion of the millenium.
[/quote]
--
If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
problem. |
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| HVAC... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:42 am |
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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[quote]
Its not exactly a science in itself, its more like an ongoing
investigation, but it has elements of science like advanced
technologies, propulsion, space travel, life on other planets, etc.
And what insights into advanced propulsion systems has ufo
research given us to date?
(awkward silence)
Many. I have also seen several patents.
[/quote]
Hahahahaha! Nice duck and cover there Andy.
'Many' LOL !!
[quote]Scientologists are only into ripping people off.
[/quote]
And Hoagland isn't? Your religous fervor has blinded you.
[quote]Funny how you defending Hoagland is similar to
Tom Cruise defending L. Ron Hubbard.
Coincidence?
Hubbard was actually straight out crazy.
[/quote]
My irony meter just shit the bed..........
[quote]Actually I have studied the principles of Dianetics and found some very
interesting things, but I'm not going to say what they are.
[/quote]
Of COURSE you did! It's all part of your religion.
~
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| Andrew W... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:33 pm |
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HVAC wrote:
[quote]"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote in message
news:4aee63b7$0$5421$afc38c87 at (no spam) news.optusnet.com.au...
Its not exactly a science in itself, its more like an ongoing
investigation, but it has elements of science like advanced
technologies, propulsion, space travel, life on other planets, etc.
And what insights into advanced propulsion systems has ufo
research given us to date?
(awkward silence)
Many. I have also seen several patents.
Hahahahaha! Nice duck and cover there Andy.
'Many' LOL !!
[/quote]
What duck and cover? Its the truth. Check out my claim any time.
But of course because you like study and research about as much as cats
likes swimming pools you wouldn't know anything about this sort of thing.
[quote]
Scientologists are only into ripping people off.
And Hoagland isn't? Your religous fervor has blinded you.
[/quote]
Is Hoagland a millionaire? No.
Are his fans satisfied? Yes.
It is a fact that ufologists make relatively little on sales of book and
videos etc.
So no, they don't do it for money, like many ignorant loudmouths like to
trumpet.
[quote]
Funny how you defending Hoagland is similar to
Tom Cruise defending L. Ron Hubbard.
Coincidence?
Hubbard was actually straight out crazy.
My irony meter just shit the bed..........
[/quote]
Your opinion of who's crazy is worth zilch.
[quote]
Actually I have studied the principles of Dianetics and found some
very interesting things, but I'm not going to say what they are.
Of COURSE you did! It's all part of your religion.
[/quote]
Your opinion of what's a religion is worth zilch.
[quote]
~
Ghosts, ufo's and other bullshit is the new religion of the millenium
[/quote]
You forgot to spell check the word millennium.
--
If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
problem. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:10 am |
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On Oct 23, 3:30 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
<scie... at (no spam) zzz.com> wrote:
[quote]UFO Debunkers: A Dangerous "Cult" or Super Patriots?/ The History of
UFO Debunking!
The standing joke among UFO circles is for every 200 UFO
sightings, the Air Force can explain away 201. The possibility that
our Government might withhold or distort information about UFOs might
seem farfetched, until you read the mountains of evidence compiled
from the Government's own files. Evidence that strongly suggests a
cover-up. The U.S. Military first started seeing UFOs in World War
II, pilots called them "Foo Fighters." We thought they were a German
secret weapon, the German's thought they were ours. An explosion of
civilian sightings in 1947 caught the military by surprise. Top
secret investigations were begun. A joint study by the FBI and Army
concluded, "The flying saucer situation is not all imaginary,
something is really flying around." That report was kept secret until
1976.
Most early UFO sightings were made by eyewitnesses and not
radar. In New Mexico, over a two year period, dozens of people
reported seeing green fire-balls over sensitive military
installations. But when radar and cameras were dispatched to those
installations, the fire-balls mysteriously shifted someplace else. A
1949 study by scientists at Los Alamos Lab stated, "The fireballs
deserve serious consideration.".
Some have suggested that the saucer craze of the 1940's and
1950's was a by-product of Cold War tensions and fears. Both the U.S.
and the U.S.S.R. conducted secret studies to find out if the other
side was behind the UFOs, and both concluded early on that the
capabilities of the flying discs seemed beyond human technology. This
secret report done in 1948 by the Air Force and Naval Intelligence is
among the most fascinating of the UFO documents ever to surface
because it wasn't suppose to exist. A confidential memo at the end of
the report ordered that all copies should be destroyed. But one copy
survived and was finally pried out of the Pentagon in 1985. It's a
study of more than 200 of the earliest UFO sightings, including one
that occurred on June, 1947, near Lake Mead. The report notes that an
Air Force pilot saw a formation of six UFOs, and the UFOs were some
type of flying craft, not weather balloons or hallucinations. The
report made note of the fact that more than a few sighting reports
were made by experienced personnel, and that the origin of flying
saucers was not ascertainable.
The Cold War with the Soviets and Communist countries was heating up.
Strange craft were reported all over our skies, and the news media was
critical of government's explanations. Many people thought the craft
belonged to the Soviet Union or perhaps aliens bent on invasion. There
was fear the Soviets could use UFO propaganda to discredit the US
government. There was genuine concern that a national panic could
occur. Whether UFOs were real or not, the situation made the president
nervous and made the military and the various intelligence agencies
look bad. Plenty of good reports were trickling out that a substantial
number of military aircraft were crashing. Stories started to leak out
that these aircraft were crashing while chasing UFOs. The crashes were
explained as training accidents and mechanical failures, but the news
media was starting to tie the two types of reports together.
The over-all effort to study saucers was called "Project Sign,"
and the headquarters was located at Wright Field in Ohio. In 1949,
Sign personnel wrote a top-secret report, which concluded that, "UFOs
were extra-terrestrial craft." When the report made it to the desk of
the Chief of Staff General Hoyt Vandeberg, he rejected it and ordered
all copies burned. This rejection from the top was in the view of
many, the death knell for any objective study of UFOs. A few weeks
later Project Sign produced another final report stating that it's
findings were "inconclusive." That report was accepted and soon after
Project Sign became Project Grudge. Grudge evaluated reports on the
premise that UFOs could not exist. According to a later report by the
Library of Congress, it was the job of Grudge to explain them all.
Despite this slant, 23% of Grudge cases remained a mystery. Grudge
staffers decided these cases were physiologically motivated, the first
official declaration that people who see UFOs are crazy.
In 1952, there were more sightings than the five previous years
combined, including the two infamous Washington D.C. incidents. Yet
another study was launched, Project Bluebook. Bluebook today is
notorious in UFO circles as a whitewash. There is considerable
evidence the project was far from objective. The man appointed to
head Bluebook, Captain Edward Ruppelt, said he was told in the very
beginning that the 'powers that be' were anti-flying-saucer and to
stay in favor, "it behooves one to follow suit." Ruppelt later
resigned from the military and wrote a book about what he says was the
Bluebook cover-up and the reality of flying saucers. The continued
increase of UFO sightings was a source of great concern for the CIA
and a new strategy was born: "UFO DEBUNKING."
A group of CIA-connected scientists was assembled in secret to
evaluate UFOs. CIA documents reveal that five members of the
Scientific Advisory Panel, who were all well-known skeptics, were
given several poor UFO cases to examine and came to the conclusion
that "there was no evidence of a direct threat to national security in
the objects sighted. Flying saucer reports were overloading emergency
reporting channels with false information, clogging up communication
lines, causing alarm, and realistically even if they were real there
was little we could do about them." Furthermore, the government was
losing the confidence of the people. Our science and aircraft seemed
to be confronted by far superior technology.
The "Robertson Panel" spent all of twelve hours in a round-table
discussion, analyzing only about a handful of UFO cases. The Panel
concluded that, "UFOs are not a threat to national security...but
continued reporting of UFOs is a threat." Their recommendation: The
Government should take immediate steps to strip UFOs of their "aura of
mystery," through a program of public education. The final report
even used the term, "DEBUNKING."
The Robertson Panel discussions and recommendations centered around
the main problem of eradicating belief in these unidentified flying
objects. Ways of using the news media and movies to discredit UFOs
were discussed and placed into action. This resulted in the reduction
of public interest around the reality of flying saucers, which even
today still evokes a strong psychological reaction. Such propaganda
techniques included addressing actual UFO cases, which might have been
puzzling at first but later explained away as natural phenomenon.
The panel also discussed various insidious methods that were often
implemented to execute this debunking program. It was felt strongly
that psychologists familiar with mass psychology should be called in
as advisers to assist with the nature and extent of this program.
These national programs resulted in the National Policy. The end
result was to debunk any valid sighting, even if it resulted in the
embarrassment of pilots and/or government employees. UFO reports were
denied, debunked and those who saw them were soundly and mercilessly
ridiculed.
Timothy Good in his book Above Top Secret writes: Another sinister
recommendation of the panel was that civilian UFO groups should be
watched "because of their potentially great influence on mass thinking
if widespread sightings should occur. The apparent irresponsibility
and the possible use of such groups for subversive purposes should be
kept in mind." The panel concluded that "the continued emphasis on the
reporting these phenomena does, in these parlous times, result in a
threat to the orderly functioning of the protective organs of the body
politic," and recommended:
a. That the national security agencies take immediate steps to strip
the Unidentified Flying Objects of the special status they have been
given and the aura of mystery they have unfortunately acquired.
b. That the national security agencies institute policies on
intelligence, training, and public education designed to prepare the
material defenses and the morale of the country to recognize most
promptly and to react most effectively to true indications of hostile
intent or action.
Shortly thereafter every effort of the government went into debunking
UFOs even if it would mean embarrassing its own people. It soon became
known the best way to destroy your military career was to report a
UFO. Captain Edward J. Ruppelt, Chief of the Aerial Phenomena Branch
at the Air Technical Intelligence Center, said that the CIA ordered
the Air Force to debunk sightings and debunk witnesses. "We're
ordered to hide sightings when possible," he told Major Keyhole, "but
if a strong report does get out we have to publish a fast explanation--
make up something to kill the report in a hurry, and also ridicule the
witness, especially if we can't figure out a plausible answer, even if
we have to discredit our own pilots."
The debunking included spying on UFO witnesses and the infiltration of
UFO organizations by the CIA and FBI. Various effective civilian UFO
organizations have been rendered impotent, and sometimes inactive,
after ex-CIA members have joined their board of directors, the best
example being the ousting of Major Donald Keyhoe from NICAP (National
Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena.). APRO (Aerial
Phenomena Research Organization) head Jim Lorenzen was also put under
CIA surveillance in 1953, after the recommendations of the Robertson
Panel. New federal policy resulting from the Robertson Panel includes
Military Policy Orders AFR 200-2 and JANAP 146, which simultaneously
criminalizes the release by any military personnel of UFO-related
information, but makes the ...
read more »
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On Oct 29, 3:26 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au>
wrote:
[quote]HVAC wrote:
What a waste of hard drive space.
I save that valuable space for important
things..... Like porn.
Typical profane remark by a vacant mind.
[/quote]
Shame on you! Why are you wasting any time on nutcase like HVAC. I
can't figure if he is trying to be Beavis or Butthead, but it is
certain that next to name calling in "borderland" groups his next
favorite pastime is "frog baseball".
Please do not feed the trolls.
He said "HARD" drive!!!!! Huh huh huh. huh. huh. |
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| Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:51 pm |
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On Oct 23, 3:30 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
<scie... at (no spam) zzz.com> wrote:
[quote]UFO Debunkers: A Dangerous "Cult" or Super Patriots?/ The History of
UFO Debunking!
The standing joke among UFO circles is for every 200 UFO
sightings, the Air Force can explain away 201. The possibility that
our Government might withhold or distort information about UFOs might
seem farfetched, until you read the mountains of evidence compiled
from the Government's own files. Evidence that strongly suggests a
cover-up. The U.S. Military first started seeing UFOs in World War
II, pilots called them "Foo Fighters." We thought they were a German
secret weapon, the German's thought they were ours. An explosion of
civilian sightings in 1947 caught the military by surprise. Top
secret investigations were begun. A joint study by the FBI and Army
concluded, "The flying saucer situation is not all imaginary,
something is really flying around." That report was kept secret until
1976.
Most early UFO sightings were made by eyewitnesses and not
radar. In New Mexico, over a two year period, dozens of people
reported seeing green fire-balls over sensitive military
installations. But when radar and cameras were dispatched to those
installations, the fire-balls mysteriously shifted someplace else. A
1949 study by scientists at Los Alamos Lab stated, "The fireballs
deserve serious consideration.".
Some have suggested that the saucer craze of the 1940's and
1950's was a by-product of Cold War tensions and fears. Both the U.S.
and the U.S.S.R. conducted secret studies to find out if the other
side was behind the UFOs, and both concluded early on that the
capabilities of the flying discs seemed beyond human technology. This
secret report done in 1948 by the Air Force and Naval Intelligence is
among the most fascinating of the UFO documents ever to surface
because it wasn't suppose to exist. A confidential memo at the end of
the report ordered that all copies should be destroyed. But one copy
survived and was finally pried out of the Pentagon in 1985. It's a
study of more than 200 of the earliest UFO sightings, including one
that occurred on June, 1947, near Lake Mead. The report notes that an
Air Force pilot saw a formation of six UFOs, and the UFOs were some
type of flying craft, not weather balloons or hallucinations. The
report made note of the fact that more than a few sighting reports
were made by experienced personnel, and that the origin of flying
saucers was not ascertainable.
The Cold War with the Soviets and Communist countries was heating up.
Strange craft were reported all over our skies, and the news media was
critical of government's explanations. Many people thought the craft
belonged to the Soviet Union or perhaps aliens bent on invasion. There
was fear the Soviets could use UFO propaganda to discredit the US
government. There was genuine concern that a national panic could
occur. Whether UFOs were real or not, the situation made the president
nervous and made the military and the various intelligence agencies
look bad. Plenty of good reports were trickling out that a substantial
number of military aircraft were crashing. Stories started to leak out
that these aircraft were crashing while chasing UFOs. The crashes were
explained as training accidents and mechanical failures, but the news
media was starting to tie the two types of reports together.
The over-all effort to study saucers was called "Project Sign,"
and the headquarters was located at Wright Field in Ohio. In 1949,
Sign personnel wrote a top-secret report, which concluded that, "UFOs
were extra-terrestrial craft." When the report made it to the desk of
the Chief of Staff General Hoyt Vandeberg, he rejected it and ordered
all copies burned. This rejection from the top was in the view of
many, the death knell for any objective study of UFOs. A few weeks
later Project Sign produced another final report stating that it's
findings were "inconclusive." That report was accepted and soon after
Project Sign became Project Grudge. Grudge evaluated reports on the
premise that UFOs could not exist. According to a later report by the
Library of Congress, it was the job of Grudge to explain them all.
Despite this slant, 23% of Grudge cases remained a mystery. Grudge
staffers decided these cases were physiologically motivated, the first
official declaration that people who see UFOs are crazy.
In 1952, there were more sightings than the five previous years
combined, including the two infamous Washington D.C. incidents. Yet
another study was launched, Project Bluebook. Bluebook today is
notorious in UFO circles as a whitewash. There is considerable
evidence the project was far from objective. The man appointed to
head Bluebook, Captain Edward Ruppelt, said he was told in the very
beginning that the 'powers that be' were anti-flying-saucer and to
stay in favor, "it behooves one to follow suit." Ruppelt later
resigned from the military and wrote a book about what he says was the
Bluebook cover-up and the reality of flying saucers. The continued
increase of UFO sightings was a source of great concern for the CIA
and a new strategy was born: "UFO DEBUNKING."
A group of CIA-connected scientists was assembled in secret to
evaluate UFOs. CIA documents reveal that five members of the
Scientific Advisory Panel, who were all well-known skeptics, were
given several poor UFO cases to examine and came to the conclusion
that "there was no evidence of a direct threat to national security in
the objects sighted. Flying saucer reports were overloading emergency
reporting channels with false information, clogging up communication
lines, causing alarm, and realistically even if they were real there
was little we could do about them." Furthermore, the government was
losing the confidence of the people. Our science and aircraft seemed
to be confronted by far superior technology.
The "Robertson Panel" spent all of twelve hours in a round-table
discussion, analyzing only about a handful of UFO cases. The Panel
concluded that, "UFOs are not a threat to national security...but
continued reporting of UFOs is a threat." Their recommendation: The
Government should take immediate steps to strip UFOs of their "aura of
mystery," through a program of public education. The final report
even used the term, "DEBUNKING."
The Robertson Panel discussions and recommendations centered around
the main problem of eradicating belief in these unidentified flying
objects. Ways of using the news media and movies to discredit UFOs
were discussed and placed into action. This resulted in the reduction
of public interest around the reality of flying saucers, which even
today still evokes a strong psychological reaction. Such propaganda
techniques included addressing actual UFO cases, which might have been
puzzling at first but later explained away as natural phenomenon.
The panel also discussed various insidious methods that were often
implemented to execute this debunking program. It was felt strongly
that psychologists familiar with mass psychology should be called in
as advisers to assist with the nature and extent of this program.
These national programs resulted in the National Policy. The end
result was to debunk any valid sighting, even if it resulted in the
embarrassment of pilots and/or government employees. UFO reports were
denied, debunked and those who saw them were soundly and mercilessly
ridiculed.
Timothy Good in his book Above Top Secret writes: Another sinister
recommendation of the panel was that civilian UFO groups should be
watched "because of their potentially great influence on mass thinking
if widespread sightings should occur. The apparent irresponsibility
and the possible use of such groups for subversive purposes should be
kept in mind." The panel concluded that "the continued emphasis on the
reporting these phenomena does, in these parlous times, result in a
threat to the orderly functioning of the protective organs of the body
politic," and recommended:
a. That the national security agencies take immediate steps to strip
the Unidentified Flying Objects of the special status they have been
given and the aura of mystery they have unfortunately acquired.
b. That the national security agencies institute policies on
intelligence, training, and public education designed to prepare the
material defenses and the morale of the country to recognize most
promptly and to react most effectively to true indications of hostile
intent or action.
Shortly thereafter every effort of the government went into debunking
UFOs even if it would mean embarrassing its own people. It soon became
known the best way to destroy your military career was to report a
UFO. Captain Edward J. Ruppelt, Chief of the Aerial Phenomena Branch
at the Air Technical Intelligence Center, said that the CIA ordered
the Air Force to debunk sightings and debunk witnesses. "We're
ordered to hide sightings when possible," he told Major Keyhole, "but
if a strong report does get out we have to publish a fast explanation--
make up something to kill the report in a hurry, and also ridicule the
witness, especially if we can't figure out a plausible answer, even if
we have to discredit our own pilots."
The debunking included spying on UFO witnesses and the infiltration of
UFO organizations by the CIA and FBI. Various effective civilian UFO
organizations have been rendered impotent, and sometimes inactive,
after ex-CIA members have joined their board of directors, the best
example being the ousting of Major Donald Keyhoe from NICAP (National
Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena.). APRO (Aerial
Phenomena Research Organization) head Jim Lorenzen was also put under
CIA surveillance in 1953, after the recommendations of the Robertson
Panel. New federal policy resulting from the Robertson Panel includes
Military Policy Orders AFR 200-2 and JANAP 146, which simultaneously
criminalizes the release by any military personnel of UFO-related
information, but makes the ...
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