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| Syd M.... |
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On Nov 1, 11:49 am, Terry Cross <tcros... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 1, 8:41 am, raven1 <quoththera... at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:25:46 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
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On Nov 1, 5:29 am, "Steve Terry" <gfour... at (no spam) tesco.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote in messagenews:f83a647c-fc80-4cd6-8894-4e7ea3b9b52c at (no spam) r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2373382/posts
The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination
The age old struggle against peoples stupidity and insainity never ends
Steve Terry
The age old struggle against intellectual tyranny never ends
Do you have a scientific alternative to evolution ready to be taught?
Evolution is not a science -- it is a pseudo-scientific religion.
Evolution is not taught as a science, but as a dogma. Evolution is
the Creation Myth of Comtean Positivism (nihilism).
TCross
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Lying again? Won't help you.
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| Steve Terry... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:18 pm |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote in message
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[quote]On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:44:11 -0500, raven1
quoththeraven at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:49:46 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
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On Nov 1, 8:41 am, raven1 <quoththera... at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:25:46 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
tcros... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 1, 5:29 am, "Steve Terry" <gfour... at (no spam) tesco.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote in
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2373382/posts
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Evolution is not a science -- it is a pseudo-scientific religion.
Evolution is not taught as a science, but as a dogma. Evolution is
the Creation Myth of Comtean Positivism (nihilism).
TCross
I'll take that as a "no".
Does she really expect people to believe such transparent lies?
I knew a Theresa Cross, she lived in North Watford[/quote]
I hope that's not her
Steve Terry
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| Nosterill... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:01 am |
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On Nov 1, 9:47 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com>
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[quote]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2373382/posts
The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination
Evolution News & Views ^ | October 27, 2009 | Anika Smith
Posted on 29. october 2009 3:34:50 by GodGunsGuts
The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination
According to an international poll released by the British Council,
the majority of Americans — 60% — support teaching alternatives to
evolution in the science classroom. The percentage is the same for
Britons, despite the fact that both countries have been inundated with
pro-Darwin media coverage in this super-mega Darwin Year.
Of course, the British media reporting this are chagrined. Britain is
the birthplace of Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution, and the
official-sounding British Council, the UK group behind the “Darwin
Now” campaign that commissioned the Ipsos MORI poll, have spent
precious resources educating the world about Darwin. Now some believe
the poll shows that efforts by Darwinist organizations aren't working.
Head of the British Council’s Darwin Now program Fern Elsdon-Baker
said, “Overall these results may reflect the need for a more
sophisticated approach to teaching and communicating how science works
as a process.”
While Darwin’s apologists might try to explain the poll numbers as an
example of ignorance influencing people’s beliefs, the numbers
themselves suggest a different picture.
Across the board, most respondents from the ten countries polled
thought that “other perspectives on the origins of species” “such as
intelligent design and creationism” should be taught in science
class*. When the poll is weighted to include only those respondents
who have heard of Charles Darwin and know something about his theory
of evolution, the percentage supporting alternate theories increases,
from 60% to 66% in Britain and 60% to 64% in the U.S.
[/quote]
Another report on the same poll, from a more trusted source, quotes
different figures. Still alarming - particularly the UK figures.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/oct/25/teach-evolution-creationism-britons |
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| Nosterill... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:04 am |
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On Nov 2, 3:18 am, "Steve Terry" <gfour... at (no spam) tesco.net> wrote:
[quote]"Christopher A. Lee" <ca... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote in messagenews:ptvre5lr5usp794fplqjbuonkc7csaa3m2 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:44:11 -0500, raven1
quoththera... at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:49:46 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
tcros... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 1, 8:41 am, raven1 <quoththera... at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:25:46 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
tcros... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 1, 5:29 am, "Steve Terry" <gfour... at (no spam) tesco.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote in
messagenews:f83a647c-fc80-4cd6-8894-4e7ea3b9b52c at (no spam) r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2373382/posts
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Evolution is not a science -- it is a pseudo-scientific religion.
Evolution is not taught as a science, but as a dogma. Evolution is
the Creation Myth of Comtean Positivism (nihilism).
TCross
I'll take that as a "no".
Does she really expect people to believe such transparent lies?
I knew a Theresa Cross, she lived in North Watford
I hope that's not her
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Yikes! I work in North Watford and, no, I don't know her. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:12 am |
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On Nov 2, 1:01 pm, Nosterill <fladg... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 1, 9:47 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2373382/posts
The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination
Evolution News & Views ^ | October 27, 2009 | Anika Smith
Posted on 29. october 2009 3:34:50 by GodGunsGuts
The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination
According to an international poll released by the British Council,
the majority of Americans — 60% — support teaching alternatives to
evolution in the science classroom. The percentage is the same for
Britons, despite the fact that both countries have been inundated with
pro-Darwin media coverage in this super-mega Darwin Year.
Of course, the British media reporting this are chagrined. Britain is
the birthplace of Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution, and the
official-sounding British Council, the UK group behind the “Darwin
Now” campaign that commissioned the Ipsos MORI poll, have spent
precious resources educating the world about Darwin. Now some believe
the poll shows that efforts by Darwinist organizations aren't working.
Head of the British Council’s Darwin Now program Fern Elsdon-Baker
said, “Overall these results may reflect the need for a more
sophisticated approach to teaching and communicating how science works
as a process.”
While Darwin’s apologists might try to explain the poll numbers as an
example of ignorance influencing people’s beliefs, the numbers
themselves suggest a different picture.
Across the board, most respondents from the ten countries polled
thought that “other perspectives on the origins of species” “such as
intelligent design and creationism” should be taught in science
class*. When the poll is weighted to include only those respondents
who have heard of Charles Darwin and know something about his theory
of evolution, the percentage supporting alternate theories increases,
from 60% to 66% in Britain and 60% to 64% in the U.S.
Another report on the same poll, from a more trusted source, quotes
different figures. Still alarming - particularly the UK figures.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/oct/25/teach-evolution-creatio...
[/quote]
Pardon me for replying to myself but here is a link to the actual poll
http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemId=2379
The figures in SoT's original post are, unsurprisingly, somewhat
doctored. On balance - it's not quite as scary as I had feared. |
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| Errol... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:08 am |
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On Nov 2, 4:18 am, "Steve Terry" <gfour... at (no spam) tesco.net> wrote:
[quote]"Christopher A. Lee" <ca... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote in messagenews:ptvre5lr5usp794fplqjbuonkc7csaa3m2 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:44:11 -0500, raven1
quoththera... at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:49:46 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
tcros... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 1, 8:41 am, raven1 <quoththera... at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:25:46 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
tcros... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 1, 5:29 am, "Steve Terry" <gfour... at (no spam) tesco.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote in
messagenews:f83a647c-fc80-4cd6-8894-4e7ea3b9b52c at (no spam) r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2373382/posts
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Evolution is not a science -- it is a pseudo-scientific religion.
Evolution is not taught as a science, but as a dogma. Evolution is
the Creation Myth of Comtean Positivism (nihilism).
TCross
I'll take that as a "no".
Does she really expect people to believe such transparent lies?
I knew a Theresa Cross, she lived in North Watford
I hope that's not her
Steve Terry
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I understand that she qualified as a barrister and became known as the
Right Honorable Theresa Cross. After a later run in with authority,
she gave up the legal profession and became well known in boxing
circles as Right Cross. Does that have the right "ring" to it? |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:18 am |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:12:02 -0800 (PST), Nosterill
<fladgate at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 2, 1:01 pm, Nosterill <fladg... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 1, 9:47 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2373382/posts
The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination
Evolution News & Views ^ | October 27, 2009 | Anika Smith
Posted on 29. october 2009 3:34:50 by GodGunsGuts
The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination
According to an international poll released by the British Council,
the majority of Americans — 60% — support teaching alternatives to
evolution in the science classroom. The percentage is the same for
Britons, despite the fact that both countries have been inundated with
pro-Darwin media coverage in this super-mega Darwin Year.
Of course, the British media reporting this are chagrined. Britain is
the birthplace of Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution, and the
official-sounding British Council, the UK group behind the “Darwin
Now” campaign that commissioned the Ipsos MORI poll, have spent
precious resources educating the world about Darwin. Now some believe
the poll shows that efforts by Darwinist organizations aren't working.
Head of the British Council’s Darwin Now program Fern Elsdon-Baker
said, “Overall these results may reflect the need for a more
sophisticated approach to teaching and communicating how science works
as a process.”
While Darwin’s apologists might try to explain the poll numbers as an
example of ignorance influencing people’s beliefs, the numbers
themselves suggest a different picture.
Across the board, most respondents from the ten countries polled
thought that “other perspectives on the origins of species” “such as
intelligent design and creationism” should be taught in science
class*. When the poll is weighted to include only those respondents
who have heard of Charles Darwin and know something about his theory
of evolution, the percentage supporting alternate theories increases,
from 60% to 66% in Britain and 60% to 64% in the U.S.
Another report on the same poll, from a more trusted source, quotes
different figures. Still alarming - particularly the UK figures.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/oct/25/teach-evolution-creatio...
Pardon me for replying to myself but here is a link to the actual poll
http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemId=2379
The figures in SoT's original post are, unsurprisingly, somewhat
doctored. On balance - it's not quite as scary as I had feared.
[/quote]
It is gaining a hold though. Look at the Vardy Foundation's schools
which are outside the DofE. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:20 am |
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"Nosterill" <fladgate at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 1, 9:47 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com>
wrote:
<snip>
[quote]Across the board, most respondents from the ten countries polled
thought that "other perspectives on the origins of species" "such as
intelligent design and creationism" should be taught in science
class*. When the poll is weighted to include only those respondents
who have heard of Charles Darwin and know something about his theory
of evolution, the percentage supporting alternate theories increases,
from 60% to 66% in Britain and 60% to 64% in the U.S.
Another report on the same poll, from a more trusted source, quotes
different figures. Still alarming - particularly the UK figures.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/oct/25/teach-evolution-creationism-britons
A recent survey showed more than 50% of Londoners believe in God![/quote]
A frightening statistic in what is thought to be a secular country,
until you realise just how many superstitious third world peasants have
immigrated to London, and how many Londoners have migrated out.
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| Zinnic... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:24 am |
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The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination
Evolution News & Views ^ | October 27, 2009 | Anika Smith
Posted on 29. october 2009 3:34:50 by GodGunsGuts
The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination
(Snip rest of text for brevity)
=Very strange results, especially the UK which I'm familiar with. I
can
only
assume that the question was very badly worded. I am sure that very
few
would want creationism to be taught in a science class 1-5% max.
I think that the generalities (there are no details) of Creationism
(Godidit in six days) and Intelligent Design (irreducible complexity)
should be taught in the first five minutes of Biology class.
Why? Neither has anything to do with science in general, or biology in
particular. Letting this religious drivel into a science class, even in
a
limited form, is just allowing the intrusion of the thin edge of the
wedge.
You may as well drop your drawers, grab your ankles and say, "Well, ok,
so
long as you only put the tip of it in."- Hide quoted text -
I believe that in the setting of Biology, Creationism and Intelligent
Design will be as impotent as a wet noodle would be in the in the
setting that you conjure. :-)
That's not the point, if you'll pardon the expression.- Hide quoted text -
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Surely the point is that Creationists will be revealed as of as little
consequence as are flat-earthists, and that Intelligent design (First
Cause) is as irrelevent to Evolution as it is to Physics. A brief
discussion airing the 'controversy' would be sufficient for
intelligent students to demonstrate to the fundamentalists that the
evolutionary process can be validated independently of whatever (if
anything) started it !
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