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| oriel36... |
 Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:11 am |
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It is over 8 years ago that I began to explain the reasoning behind
the rotation of our planet through 360 degrees in 24 hours or what
amounts to the same thing,it will rotate 1669.8 km for every 15
degrees/1 hour at the Equator and a full 40,075 km in 24 hours -
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/World_globe.jpg
It is now a painful experience to encounter a total disregard for the
most basic of all planetary facts of shape and dimensions organised
around the Earth's rotational characteristics due to the dominance of
the 'sidereal time' value and the flawed reasoning which originated
through John Flamsteed in trying to do something no astronomer ever
did - try to justify the rotation of the constellations around Polaris
using planetary dynamics -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwSlkJG8gTU
Why,for goodness sake,would an entire civilisation abandon the
sprawling history of timekeeping averages surrounding both the
astronomical principles and the creation of accurate watches which
reflect rotation once in 24 hours or at a rate of 15 degrees every
hour that any sane person can seen from spinning the globes above ? .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF85O9SJCaE
The man who actually created the first accurate watches,John Harrison,
explains the outlines on page 90-91 -
http://books.google.ie/books?id=8roAAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA89&dq=remarks#v=onepage&q=remarks&f=false
This is not just about a simple fact of the value for the Earth's
rotation for that only focuses attention on the situation,this is
about the temporary dominance of thinking which is a complete dishonor
to the human race,a cancer borne of cowardice and mediocrity for
surely no intelligence person would argue against the 24 hour value
which contains all the information on planetary shape and dimensions.
I do not,do not know how people can do this for there is not the
slightest goodness in following a stupid error created by one person
in the late 17th century in trying to explain planetary motions
through the motions of the constellations around Polaris.Financial
meltdowns and 'climate change' are nothing compared to this shocking
situations where nobody can tell that the Earth is round,rotating and
takes 24 hours to turn once. |
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| palsing... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:52 pm |
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On Nov 1, 12:11 pm, oriel36 <kelleher.ger... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]It is over 8 years ago that I began to explain the reasoning behind
the rotation of our planet through 360 degrees in 24 hours or what
amounts to the same thing,it will rotate 1669.8 km for every 15
degrees/1 hour at the Equator and a full 40,075 km in 24 hours -
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/World_globe.jpg
It is now a painful experience to encounter a total disregard for the
most basic of all planetary facts of shape and dimensions organised
around the Earth's rotational characteristics due to the dominance of
the 'sidereal time' value and the flawed reasoning which originated
through John Flamsteed in trying to do something no astronomer ever
did - try to justify the rotation of the constellations around Polaris
using planetary dynamics -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwSlkJG8gTU
Why,for goodness sake,would an entire civilisation abandon the
sprawling history of timekeeping averages surrounding both the
astronomical principles and the creation of accurate watches which
reflect rotation once in 24 hours or at a rate of 15 degrees every
hour that any sane person can seen from spinning the globes above ? .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF85O9SJCaE
The man who actually created the first accurate watches,John Harrison,
explains the outlines on page 90-91 -
http://books.google.ie/books?id=8roAAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA89&dq=remarks#v=one...
This is not just about a simple fact of the value for the Earth's
rotation for that only focuses attention on the situation,this is
about the temporary dominance of thinking which is a complete dishonor
to the human race,a cancer borne of cowardice and mediocrity for
surely no intelligence person would argue against the 24 hour value
which contains all the information on planetary shape and dimensions.
I do not,do not know how people can do this for there is not the
slightest goodness in following a stupid error created by one person
in the late 17th century in trying to explain planetary motions
through the motions of the constellations around Polaris.Financial
meltdowns and 'climate change' are nothing compared to this shocking
situations where nobody can tell that the Earth is round,rotating and
takes 24 hours to turn once.
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If you don't understand frames of reference you are doomed, and since
you do not have the ability to actually learn anything new, you are
permanently stuck.
360 degrees per 24 hours is only true with respect to the sun.
Period.
End of discussion.
There is no stupid error created by one person, only a stupid
interpretation by one person... |
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| oriel36... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:47 am |
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On Nov 11, 5:52 am, palsing <pnals... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 1, 12:11 pm, oriel36 <kelleher.ger... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
It is over 8 years ago that I began to explain the reasoning behind
the rotation of our planet through 360 degrees in 24 hours or what
amounts to the same thing,it will rotate 1669.8 km for every 15
degrees/1 hour at the Equator and a full 40,075 km in 24 hours -
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/World_globe.jpg
It is now a painful experience to encounter a total disregard for the
most basic of all planetary facts of shape and dimensions organised
around the Earth's rotational characteristics due to the dominance of
the 'sidereal time' value and the flawed reasoning which originated
through John Flamsteed in trying to do something no astronomer ever
did - try to justify the rotation of the constellations around Polaris
using planetary dynamics -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwSlkJG8gTU
Why,for goodness sake,would an entire civilisation abandon the
sprawling history of timekeeping averages surrounding both the
astronomical principles and the creation of accurate watches which
reflect rotation once in 24 hours or at a rate of 15 degrees every
hour that any sane person can seen from spinning the globes above ? .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF85O9SJCaE
The man who actually created the first accurate watches,John Harrison,
explains the outlines on page 90-91 -
http://books.google.ie/books?id=8roAAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA89&dq=remarks#v=one...
This is not just about a simple fact of the value for the Earth's
rotation for that only focuses attention on the situation,this is
about the temporary dominance of thinking which is a complete dishonor
to the human race,a cancer borne of cowardice and mediocrity for
surely no intelligence person would argue against the 24 hour value
which contains all the information on planetary shape and dimensions.
I do not,do not know how people can do this for there is not the
slightest goodness in following a stupid error created by one person
in the late 17th century in trying to explain planetary motions
through the motions of the constellations around Polaris.Financial
meltdowns and 'climate change' are nothing compared to this shocking
situations where nobody can tell that the Earth is round,rotating and
takes 24 hours to turn once.
If you don't understand frames of reference you are doomed, and since
you do not have the ability to actually learn anything new, you are
permanently stuck.
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In some circles that is called the 'language of non-thought",it
appears to say something to those who know no better but is actually a
cult trait
[quote]360 degrees per 24 hours is only true with respect to the sun.
Period.
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This cult which attaches the wrong value for daily rotation,a value
which contains all the information on planetary shape and rotational
characteristics relies on its members positively refusing to believe
what is written and before them regardless of the authority,in this
case Huygens -
"Here take notice, that the Sun or the Earth passeth the 12. Signes,
or makes an entire revolution in the Ecliptick in 365 days, 5 hours 49
min. or there about, and that those days, reckon'd from noon to noon,
are of different lenghts; as is known to all that are vers'd in
Astronomy." Huygens
When geologists can't look at a simple world globe,turn it through 15
degrees and see the geography of the planet move 1669.8 km at the
Equator then they are in big trouble as the data arriving from the
GOCE satellite,if it does its job properly will indicate a
relationship between the fractured surface crust and the rotation of
the viscous composition beneath it.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/World_globe.jpg
Unlike the surface crust,the rotation of the viscous interior will
rotate unevenly from its maximum speed at the Equator towards the
geographical poles and while the following tables show the decreasing
rotational speeds for different latitudes ,information which contains
the values for each 4 minutes of rotation -
http://www.ncgia.ucsb.edu/education/curricula/giscc/units/u014/tables/table02.html
What has happened is unconscionable,not the mistake by Flamsteed in
the 17th century but now,today as geologists look on and do nothing
even though their discipline will increasingly rely on planetary
dynamics now that the symmetrical generation of crust off the Mid
Atlantic ridge and fracture zones which display the signatures of the
rotational mechanism beneath the crust.
[quote]End of discussion.
There is no stupid error created by one person, only a stupid
interpretation by one person...
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A stupid,stupid 'sidereal time' conception that is a complete dishonor
to the human race and contrary to all known astronomical principles
and the sprawling history surrounding longitude -
http://www.grand-illusions.com/articles/longitude/page04.shtml
I refuse to believe people are so cowardly that they would sacrifice
their own area of study to uphold the ideas of an empiricist cult,even
if they rely on the empirical approach for their wages.People are
going to have to bite the bullet and just go on ahead and set aside
the reasoning behind 'sidereal time' which causes unsurmountable
difficulties where planetary dynamics are needed for who else can
alter this dismal situation where scientists can express basic
planetary facts. |
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| palsing... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:30 pm |
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On Nov 11, 11:47 am, oriel36 <kelleher.ger... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]A stupid,stupid 'sidereal time' conception that is a complete dishonor
to the human race and contrary to all known astronomical principles
and the sprawling history surrounding longitude -
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The problem with this statement is that sidereal time is NOT just a
conception, it is an easily measurable fact, one that you can do
yourself. One does not need to belong to a cult to perform a simple
timing. |
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| oriel36... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:06 am |
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On Nov 15, 11:30 pm, palsing <pnals... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 11, 11:47 am, oriel36 <kelleher.ger... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
A stupid,stupid 'sidereal time' conception that is a complete dishonor
to the human race and contrary to all known astronomical principles
and the sprawling history surrounding longitude -
The problem with this statement is that sidereal time is NOT just a
conception, it is an easily measurable fact, one that you can do
yourself.
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Even geologists looking at the time lapse footage can spot the
apparent rotation of the constellation Ursa Major or the 'Big Dipper'
around Polaris at the bottom left side of the screen -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTTDWhky9HY
No astronomer worthy of the name,from remote antiquity up to the time
of Flamsteed, ever linked the rotation of the constellations around
Polaris with the daily cycle ,it is much like the unfortunate guy who
thinks he sees a skull in a layer of coal and draws a silly
conclusion,that is how awful Flamsteed's statement actually is -
"... our clocks kept so good a correspondence with the Heavens that I
doubt it not but they would prove the revolutions of the Earth to be
isochronical..." Flamsteed
There is an incredible satisfaction in accumulating ideas which arise
from the details of planetary dynamics and especially the links
between daily rotation and geological signatures such as the
magnificent symmetrical generation of crust that divides Africa/Europe
from the Americas and that lovely jewel known as the Romanche trench
which encapsulates the rotation of the viscous interior and its
effects on the fracture crust -
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Romanche_Trench.jpg
Come what may,there is always a lovely feeling moving into new
conceptual territory based on applying rotational dynamics to
terrestrial sciences,that the empirical stranglehold on astronomy is
built on the wrong facts for basic planetary facts of dimensions,shape
and rotational characteristics,facts easily gleaned by spinning a
simple globe where the geography of the equatorial region turns
1669.8 km per hour and an entire circumference in 24 hours hours
stands as a beacon for the 'sidereal time' freaks who imagine it
otherwise.
One does not need to belong to a cult to perform a simple
> timing. |
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| palsing... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:20 pm |
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On Nov 16, 10:06 am, oriel36 <kelleher.ger... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]No astronomer worthy of the name,from remote antiquity up to the time
of Flamsteed, ever linked the rotation of the constellations around
Polaris with the daily cycle...
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That is true, but what does that have to do with anything? I've told
you before, the solar day and the sidereal day don't have much in
common, they each measure Earth's rotation with respect to different
frames of reference.
The Earth, the moon, the other planets, etc., just do what they do,
and all we can do is observe, take notes, and formulate theories. At
this point in time, pretty much everything about the mechanics of the
whole shebang is extremely well known, and documented 6 ways from
Sunday, and it is virtually impossible that you could ever come up
with a "new" idea, force, or "orbital specific", and any such thinking
on your part is just a dead-end.
Without a rudimentary knowledge of frames of reference, you have no
chance of understanding it all...
\Paul A |
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| oriel36... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:42 am |
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On Nov 18, 5:20 am, palsing <pnals... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 16, 10:06 am, oriel36 <kelleher.ger... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
No astronomer worthy of the name,from remote antiquity up to the time
of Flamsteed, ever linked the rotation of the constellations around
Polaris with the daily cycle...
That is true, but what does that have to do with anything?
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No geologist worthy of the name can consider the triumvirate of
geometry,geography and geography in any terms other than rotation at a
rate of 15 degrees per hour amounting to 1669.8 km for each 15 degrees/
1 hour at the Equator -
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/World_globe.jpg
The reason that 'convection cells' exist as the posited mechanism for
crustal evolution is due to the unhealthy situation which sees the
loss of the most basic planetary facts due to 'sidereal time'
reasoning which pins the daily cycle to the rotation of the
constellations around Polaris for each star in the constellation will
return to the same position in 23 hours 56 minutes based on
timekeeping averages -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTTDWhky9HY
So,whether people like it or not,terrestrial sciences now exist at a
point at which intelligence ceases and it is not possible to fall any
lower yet despite this huge crisis,there is no sign that there is a
movement away from this human tragedy and in the direction of
productive investigations based on interpretation rather than outright
speculation.
I've told
[quote]you before, the solar day and the sidereal day don't have much in
common, they each measure Earth's rotation with respect to different
frames of reference.
The Earth, the moon, the other planets, etc., just do what they do,
and all we can do is observe, take notes, and formulate theories. At
this point in time, pretty much everything about the mechanics of the
whole shebang is extremely well known, and documented 6 ways from
Sunday, and it is virtually impossible that you could ever come up
with a "new" idea, force, or "orbital specific", and any such thinking
on your part is just a dead-end.
Without a rudimentary knowledge of frames of reference, you have no
chance of understanding it all...
\Paul A[/quote] |
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