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Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming,
Unique Ecological Changes In Recent Decades
ScienceDaily (Oct. 27, 2009) ‹
An analysis of sediment cores indicates that
biological and chemical changes occurring at
a remote Arctic lake are unprecedented over
the past 200,000 years and likely are the result of
human-caused climate change, according to a new
study led by the University of Colorado at Boulder.
While environmental changes at the lake over the
past millennia have been shown to be tightly linked
with natural causes of climate change -- like
periodic, well-understood wobbles in Earth's orbit
-- changes seen in the sediment cores since about
1950 indicate expected climate cooling is being
overridden by human activity like greenhouse gas
emissions. The research team reconstructed past
climate and environmental changes at the lake on
Baffin Island using indicators that included algae,
fossil insects and geochemistry preserved in
sediment cores that extend back 200,000 years.
"The past few decades have been unique in the
past 200,000 years in terms of the changes we
see in the biology and chemistry recorded in the
cores," said lead study author Yarrow Axford of
CU-Boulder's Institute of Arctic and Alpine
Research. "We see clear evidence for warming in
one of the most remote places on Earth at a time
when the Arctic should be cooling because of
natural processes."
** Since there has been little rise in temps from
'50 to '95 and minimal increases of GHG
this conclusion raises more questions than
answers.
The study was published Oct. 19 in the
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The study included researchers from CU-Boulder,
the State University of New York at Buffalo,
the University of Alberta, the University
of Massachusetts and Queen's University in
Kingston, Ontario.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019162929.htm |
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On Oct 28, 6:37 pm, play... at (no spam) work.edu (Doug Bashford) wrote:
[quote] On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:18 (PDT), JohnM said about:
Re: Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming, Unique Ecological
Changes In Recent Decades
On Oct 28, 2:57=C2=A0pm, Leonard <leonard7... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming,
Unique Ecological Changes In Recent Decades
ScienceDaily (Oct. 27, 2009) =E2=80=B9
...........del
** Since there has been little rise in temps from
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0'50 to '95
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to publish lake temperatures for Baffin
Is. over the last 60 years, so we can make our own minds up about
whether these have changed.
and minimal increases of GHG
Less than 1% could be minimal - the actual increase is nearer 20%
since 1950
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0this conclusion raises more questions than
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0answers.
Why not list these questions, so we can avoid having to guess what
they might be.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The study was published Oct. 19 in the
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The study included researchers from CU-Boulder,
the State University of New York at Buffalo,
the University of Alberta, the University
of Massachusetts and Queen's University in
Kingston, Ontario.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019162929.htm
That flagged paragraph is not in the original
article cited by CU-Boulder. It appears to
have been added by another drug addled kneejerk
dittohead who cares nothing about Truth.
Here is the original as cited by CU-Boulder.
www.physorg.com/news175188684.html
it leads with: "A University of Colorado at Boulder-led analysis
of a 200,000 year-old sediment core from a Baffin Island lake
indicates warming temperatures in the Arctic due to human
activity are overriding a natural cooling trend in the region. "
and:
"An analysis of sediment cores indicates that biological and
chemical changes occurring at a remote Arctic lake are
unprecedented over the past 200,000 years and likely are the
result of human-caused climate change, according to a new study
led by the University of Colorado at Boulder."
and
"While environmental changes at the lake over the past millennia
have been shown to be tightly linked with natural causes of
climate change -- like periodic, well-understood wobbles in
Earth's orbit -- changes seen in the sediment cores since about
1950 indicate expected climate cooling is being overridden by
human activity like greenhouse gas emissions. The research team
reconstructed past climate and environmental changes at the lake
on Baffin Island using indicators that included algae, fossil
insects and geochemistry preserved in sediment cores that extend
back 200,000 years.
"The past few decades have been unique in the past 200,000 years
in terms of the changes we see in the biology and chemistry
recorded in the cores," said lead study author Yarrow Axford of
CU-Boulder's Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research. "We see
clear evidence for warming in one of the most remote places on
Earth at a time when the Arctic should be cooling because of
natural processes."
The study was published Oct. 19 in the Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences. The study included researchers from
CU-Boulder, the State University of New York's University at
Buffalo, the University of Alberta, the University of
Massachusetts and Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario.
The sediment cores were extracted from the bottom of a roughly
100-acre, 30-foot-deep lake near the village of Clyde River on
the east coast of Baffin Island, which is several hundred miles
west of Greenland. The lake sediment cores go back in time 80,000
years beyond the oldest reliable ice cores from Greenland and
capture the environmental conditions of two previous ice ages and
three interglacial periods.
The sediment cores showed that several types of mosquito-like
midges that flourish in very cold climates have been abundant at
the lake for the past several thousand years. But the
cold-adapted midge species abruptly began declining in about
1950, matching their lowest abundances of the last 200,000 years.
Two of the midge species adapted to the coldest temperatures have
completely disappeared from the lake region, said Axford. "
..........snip cool stuff!
"Axford emphasized the multiyear research project required
expertise from each of the five institutions involved in the PNAS
study. "This was a team effort all the way around, and each of
the institutions has a unique set of skills that allowed us to
carry out this study," she said. "We needed people who understood
algae, insects, glaciers and geochemistry, not to mention how to
drive snowmobiles and extract the cores."
The study was funded by the National Science Foundation, the
Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada and
the Geological Society of America.
A study published in Science magazine last month that involved
CU-Boulder researchers and reconstructed past temperatures in the
Arctic using ice cores, tree rings and lake sediments concluded
that recent warming around the Arctic is overriding a cooling
trend caused by Earth's periodic wobble. Earth is now about 0.6
million miles further from the sun during the Northern Hemisphere
summer solstice than it was in 1 B.C. -- a trend that has caused
overall cooling in the Arctic until recently.
Source: University of Colorado at Boulder (news : web)"
•• The ice cores and tree rings were not[/quote]
mentioned in the article nor did it cite the
Science paper. Nor have they provided
any detail of an overriding warming trend.
However the recent warming trend was all
of two or three summers hardly noteworthy
and was caused by volcanic activity.
–– ––
In real science the burden of proof is always on
the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
iota of valid data for global warming nor have
they provided data that climate change is being
effected by commerce and industry, and not by
natural phenomena. |
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On Oct 28, 2:57Â pm, Leonard <leonard7... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
[quote]Â Â Â Â Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming,
Unique Ecological Changes In Recent Decades
ScienceDaily (Oct. 27, 2009) ‹
  An analysis of sediment cores indicates that
 biological and chemical changes occurring at
 a remote Arctic lake are unprecedented over
the past 200,000 years and likely are the result of
human-caused climate change, according to a new
study led by the University of Colorado at Boulder.
  While environmental changes at the lake over the
past millennia have been shown to be tightly linked
with natural causes of climate change -- like
periodic, well-understood wobbles in Earth's orbit
 -- changes seen in the sediment cores since about
1950 indicate expected climate cooling is being
overridden by human activity like greenhouse gas
emissions. The research team reconstructed past
climate and environmental changes at the lake on
Baffin Island using indicators that included algae,
fossil insects and geochemistry preserved in
sediment cores that extend back 200,000 years.
  "The past few decades have been unique in the
past 200,000 years in terms of the changes we
see in the biology and chemistry recorded in the
cores," said lead study author Yarrow Axford of
CU-Boulder's Institute of Arctic and Alpine
Research. "We see clear evidence for warming in
one of the most remote places on Earth at a time
when the Arctic should be cooling because of
natural processes."
** Since there has been little rise in temps from
   '50 to '95
[/quote]
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to publish lake temperatures for Baffin
Is. over the last 60 years, so we can make our own minds up about
whether these have changed.
[quote]and minimal increases of GHG
[/quote]
Less than 1% could be minimal - the actual increase is nearer 20%
since 1950
[quote]Â Â Â this conclusion raises more questions than
   answers.
[/quote]
Why not list these questions, so we can avoid having to guess what
they might be.
[quote]Â Â The study was published Oct. 19 in the
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The study included researchers from CU-Boulder,
the State University of New York at Buffalo,
the University of Alberta, the University
of Massachusetts and Queen's University in
Kingston, Ontario.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019162929.htm[/quote] |
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On Oct 28, 5:18Â pm, JohnM <john_howard_mor... at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 28, 2:57Â pm, Leonard <leonard7... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
    Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming,
Unique Ecological Changes In Recent Decades
ScienceDaily (Oct. 27, 2009) ‹
  An analysis of sediment cores indicates that
 biological and chemical changes occurring at
 a remote Arctic lake are unprecedented over
the past 200,000 years and likely are the result of
human-caused climate change, according to a new
study led by the University of Colorado at Boulder.
  While environmental changes at the lake over the
past millennia have been shown to be tightly linked
with natural causes of climate change -- like
periodic, well-understood wobbles in Earth's orbit
 -- changes seen in the sediment cores since about
1950 indicate expected climate cooling is being
overridden by human activity like greenhouse gas
emissions. The research team reconstructed past
climate and environmental changes at the lake on
Baffin Island using indicators that included algae,
fossil insects and geochemistry preserved in
sediment cores that extend back 200,000 years.
  "The past few decades have been unique in the
past 200,000 years in terms of the changes we
see in the biology and chemistry recorded in the
cores," said lead study author Yarrow Axford of
CU-Boulder's Institute of Arctic and Alpine
Research. "We see clear evidence for warming in
one of the most remote places on Earth at a time
when the Arctic should be cooling because of
natural processes."
** Since there has been little rise in temps from
   '50 to '95
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to publish lake temperatures for Baffin
Is. over the last 60 years, so we can make our own minds up about
whether these have changed.
[/quote]
Do your own homework, sucker
[quote]
and minimal increases of GHG
Less than 1% could be minimal - the actual increase is nearer 20%
since 1950
[/quote]
•• Bullshit makes the grass grow green
and I'll be over with the mower.
[quote]Â Â Â this conclusion raises more questions than
   answers.
Why not list these questions, so we can avoid having to guess what
they might be.
[/quote]
•• do your own homework Morgan, if you can.
Otherwise tough shit
[quote]Â Â The study was published Oct. 19 in the
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The study included researchers from CU-Boulder,
the State University of New York at Buffalo,
the University of Alberta, the University
of Massachusetts and Queen's University in
Kingston, Ontario.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019162929.htm[/quote] |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:37 pm |
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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:18 (PDT), JohnM said about:
Re: Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming, Unique Ecological
Changes In Recent Decades
[quote]On Oct 28, 2:57=C2=A0pm, Leonard <leonard7... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming,
Unique Ecological Changes In Recent Decades
ScienceDaily (Oct. 27, 2009) =E2=80=B9
[/quote]
............del
[quote]
** Since there has been little rise in temps from
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0'50 to '95
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to publish lake temperatures for Baffin
Is. over the last 60 years, so we can make our own minds up about
whether these have changed.
and minimal increases of GHG
Less than 1% could be minimal - the actual increase is nearer 20%
since 1950
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0this conclusion raises more questions than
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0answers.
Why not list these questions, so we can avoid having to guess what
they might be.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The study was published Oct. 19 in the
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The study included researchers from CU-Boulder,
the State University of New York at Buffalo,
the University of Alberta, the University
of Massachusetts and Queen's University in
Kingston, Ontario.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019162929.htm
[/quote]
That flagged paragraph is not in the original
article cited by CU-Boulder. It appears to
have been added by another drug addled kneejerk
dittohead who cares nothing about Truth.
Here is the original as cited by CU-Boulder.
www.physorg.com/news175188684.html
it leads with: "A University of Colorado at Boulder-led analysis
of a 200,000 year-old sediment core from a Baffin Island lake
indicates warming temperatures in the Arctic due to human
activity are overriding a natural cooling trend in the region. "
and:
"An analysis of sediment cores indicates that biological and
chemical changes occurring at a remote Arctic lake are
unprecedented over the past 200,000 years and likely are the
result of human-caused climate change, according to a new study
led by the University of Colorado at Boulder."
and
"While environmental changes at the lake over the past millennia
have been shown to be tightly linked with natural causes of
climate change -- like periodic, well-understood wobbles in
Earth's orbit -- changes seen in the sediment cores since about
1950 indicate expected climate cooling is being overridden by
human activity like greenhouse gas emissions. The research team
reconstructed past climate and environmental changes at the lake
on Baffin Island using indicators that included algae, fossil
insects and geochemistry preserved in sediment cores that extend
back 200,000 years.
"The past few decades have been unique in the past 200,000 years
in terms of the changes we see in the biology and chemistry
recorded in the cores," said lead study author Yarrow Axford of
CU-Boulder's Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research. "We see
clear evidence for warming in one of the most remote places on
Earth at a time when the Arctic should be cooling because of
natural processes."
The study was published Oct. 19 in the Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences. The study included researchers from
CU-Boulder, the State University of New York's University at
Buffalo, the University of Alberta, the University of
Massachusetts and Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario.
The sediment cores were extracted from the bottom of a roughly
100-acre, 30-foot-deep lake near the village of Clyde River on
the east coast of Baffin Island, which is several hundred miles
west of Greenland. The lake sediment cores go back in time 80,000
years beyond the oldest reliable ice cores from Greenland and
capture the environmental conditions of two previous ice ages and
three interglacial periods.
The sediment cores showed that several types of mosquito-like
midges that flourish in very cold climates have been abundant at
the lake for the past several thousand years. But the
cold-adapted midge species abruptly began declining in about
1950, matching their lowest abundances of the last 200,000 years.
Two of the midge species adapted to the coldest temperatures have
completely disappeared from the lake region, said Axford. "
...........snip cool stuff!
"Axford emphasized the multiyear research project required
expertise from each of the five institutions involved in the PNAS
study. "This was a team effort all the way around, and each of
the institutions has a unique set of skills that allowed us to
carry out this study," she said. "We needed people who understood
algae, insects, glaciers and geochemistry, not to mention how to
drive snowmobiles and extract the cores."
The study was funded by the National Science Foundation, the
Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada and
the Geological Society of America.
A study published in Science magazine last month that involved
CU-Boulder researchers and reconstructed past temperatures in the
Arctic using ice cores, tree rings and lake sediments concluded
that recent warming around the Arctic is overriding a cooling
trend caused by Earth's periodic wobble. Earth is now about 0.6
million miles further from the sun during the Northern Hemisphere
summer solstice than it was in 1 B.C. -- a trend that has caused
overall cooling in the Arctic until recently.
Source: University of Colorado at Boulder (news : web)"
=======end quotes
What's ironic is these kneejerk Republican dittoheads will see
the top vandalized article as proof that Science sucks
and Liberals must be filthy liars too. Mark my word.
Why are Republicans now of the filthy "Culture of Corruption?"
Perhaps we'll get into that sometime too.
- If you scratch a cynic,
- you'll find a defeated idealist. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:58 am |
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On Oct 28, 4:53Â pm, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 28, 5:18Â pm, JohnM <john_howard_mor... at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
On Oct 28, 2:57Â pm, Leonard <leonard7... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
    Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming,
Unique Ecological Changes In Recent Decades
ScienceDaily (Oct. 27, 2009) ‹
  An analysis of sediment cores indicates that
 biological and chemical changes occurring at
 a remote Arctic lake are unprecedented over
the past 200,000 years and likely are the result of
human-caused climate change, according to a new
study led by the University of Colorado at Boulder.
  While environmental changes at the lake over the
past millennia have been shown to be tightly linked
with natural causes of climate change -- like
periodic, well-understood wobbles in Earth's orbit
 -- changes seen in the sediment cores since about
1950 indicate expected climate cooling is being
overridden by human activity like greenhouse gas
emissions. The research team reconstructed past
climate and environmental changes at the lake on
Baffin Island using indicators that included algae,
fossil insects and geochemistry preserved in
sediment cores that extend back 200,000 years.
  "The past few decades have been unique in the
past 200,000 years in terms of the changes we
see in the biology and chemistry recorded in the
cores," said lead study author Yarrow Axford of
CU-Boulder's Institute of Arctic and Alpine
Research. "We see clear evidence for warming in
one of the most remote places on Earth at a time
when the Arctic should be cooling because of
natural processes."
** Since there has been little rise in temps from
   '50 to '95
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to publish lake temperatures for Baffin
Is. over the last 60 years, so we can make our own minds up about
whether these have changed.
Do your own homework, sucker
[/quote]
It seems temperatures on Baffin Is. have really soared by several
degrees in the last 20 years. Is that's why you don't want to post
them here, eh?
[quote]and minimal increases of GHG
Less than 1% could be minimal - the actual increase is nearer 20%
since 1950
•• Bullshit makes the grass grow green
  and I'll be over with the mower.
[/quote]
The record of the Mauna Laua observatory indicates that such is the
case.
[quote]Â Â Â this conclusion raises more questions than
   answers.
Why not list these questions, so we can avoid having to guess what
they might be.
•• do your own homework Morgan, if you can.
  Otherwise tough shit
[/quote]
WTF. You offered questions - now put them up right here, so they can
be answered.
[quote]Â Â The study was published Oct. 19 in the
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The study included researchers from CU-Boulder,
the State University of New York at Buffalo,
the University of Alberta, the University
of Massachusetts and Queen's University in
Kingston, Ontario.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019162929.htm[/quote] |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:18 am |
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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:08(PDT), Last Post said about:
Re: Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming, Unique Ecological
Changes In Recent Decades
[quote]On Oct 28, 6:37= A0pm, (Doug Bashford) wrote:
= A0On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:18 (PDT), JohnM said about:
= A0Re: Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming, Unique Ecological
Changes In =A0Recent Decades
On Oct 28, 2:57 = 3DC2 = 3DA0pm, Leonard <leonard7... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
= 3DC2 = 3DA0 = 3DC2 = 3DA0 = 3DC2= 3DA0 = 3DC2= 3DA0 Arctic Lake Sediments Sho=
w Warming,
Unique Ecological Changes In Recent Decades
ScienceDaily (Oct. 27, 2009) = 3DE2 = 3D80 = 3DB9
[/quote]
...........del
[quote]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019162929.htm
That flagged paragraph is not in the original
article cited by CU-Boulder. =A0It appears to
have been added by another drug addled kneejerk
dittohead who cares nothing about Truth.
[/quote]
These guys remind me of the snot-nosed sand castle kickers
on the playground. All the Party of No can do is destroy.
[quote]
Here is the original as cited by CU-Boulder.
www.physorg.com/news175188684.html
it leads =A0with: "A University of Colorado at Boulder-led analysis
of a 200,000 year-old sediment core from a Baffin Island lake
indicates warming temperatures in the Arctic due to human
activity are overriding a natural cooling trend in the region. "
= A0 = A0 = A0 = A0 and:
=A0"An analysis of sediment cores indicates that biological and
chemical changes occurring at a remote Arctic lake are
unprecedented over the past 200,000 years and likely are the
result of human-caused climate change, according to a new study
led by the University of Colorado at Boulder."
and
[/quote]
.........snip
[quote]
=95=95 The ice cores and tree rings were not
mentioned in the article nor did it cite the
Science paper. Nor have they provided
any detail of an overriding warming trend.
However the recent warming trend was all
of two or three summers hardly noteworthy
and was caused by volcanic activity.
[/quote]
Where the hell is that from? Your babysitter?
Am I supposed to be a mind reader?
[quote]
=96=96 =96=96
In real science the burden of proof is always on
the proposer, never on the sceptics.
[/quote]
Bwaaaa ha ha hah!!!!!!! Is that a Bushism or did
that come from a Kiddie Haven playground?
Thomas Kuhn, "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions."
[quote]So far
neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
iota of valid data for global warming nor have
they provided data that climate change is being
effected by commerce and industry, and not by
natural phenomena.
[/quote]
You sound no different from the Creation Science
quotes from:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Doug Bashford said about:
Global Warming Denialism? ........or is it Creation Science?
You're soooooo soundsgood! To a believer.
How's your Messiah, the Drugster, today?
....or is your alter Fox "wrong again" News?
Doesn't matter, a dittohead is a dittohead is a
parrot is a sheep in a mindless kneejerk herd.
Limbaaaaaaaaaaaa! baaaaaaa.
Did they teach you any good science yet today?
....where evidence is valued according to degree of
soundsgoodism, shock and outrage value, and the
degree of "manly" bombastic glee and giggles delivered?
....Ah yes, Truth is an elusive thing, isn't it?
Why damned near impossible to find!
Who's soundsgoodism is best anyway? Where's my
adrenoline meter, I'll let you know. Baaaaaaa.....
- If you scratch a cynic,
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:18 am |
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In .googlegroups.com>
On 28 Oct 2009 15:53(PDT), Last Post said about:
Re: Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming, Unique Ecological
Changes In Recent Decades
[quote]On Oct 28, 5:18=C2=A0pm, JohnM wrote:
On Oct 28, 2:57=C2=A0pm, Leonard <leonard7... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming,
Unique Ecological Changes In Recent Decades
ScienceDaily (Oct. 27, 2009) =E2=80=B9
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 An analysis of sediment cores indicates that
=C2=A0biological and chemical changes occurring at
=C2=A0a remote Arctic lake are unprecedented over
the past 200,000 years and likely are the result of
human-caused climate change, according to a new
study led by the University of Colorado at Boulder.
[/quote]
Huh? The result of what!?
........snip
This flag: "**", is where the lies begin:
[quote]** Since there has been little rise in temps from
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0'50 to '95
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to publish lake temperatures for Baffin
Is. over the last 60 years, so we can make our own minds up about
whether these have changed.
Do your own homework, sucker
[/quote]
Who's the sucker, dittohead?
John has a good nose.
That flagged paragraph is not in the original
article cited by CU-Boulder. It appears to
have been added by another drug addled kneejerk
dittohead parrot who cares nothing about Truth.
In their world, their right wing fear-talk masters beat
Science in matters of Truth every time. It's similar to religion.
(I've documented evidence of this here in sci.env in
the last week or so.)
[quote]
and minimal increases of GHG
Less than 1% could be minimal - the actual increase is nearer 20%
since 1950
=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Bullshit makes the grass grow green
and I'll be over with the mower.
[/quote]
Again, that flagged paragraph is not in the original
article cited by CU-Boulder. It appears to
have been added by another drug addled kneejerk
dittohead sheeple who cares nothing about Truth.
[quote]
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0this conclusion raises more questions than
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0answers.
Why not list these questions, so we can avoid having to guess what
they might be.
=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 do your own homework Morgan, if you can.
Otherwise tough shit
[/quote]
Why should he?
Because the burden of proof rests on the whackos.
Thomas Kuhn, "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions."
That must really piss you hens off!
[quote]
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The study was published Oct. 19 in the
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The study included researchers from CU-Boulder,
the State University of New York at Buffalo,
the University of Alberta, the University
of Massachusetts and Queen's University in
Kingston, Ontario.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019162929.htm
[/quote]
that was cited by Leonard <leonard7... at (no spam) primus.ca>, a denialist!?
Get real. They are Republicans. "Culture of Corruption."
Need I say more?
Here's the real article,
as cited by University of Colorado:
Arctic lake sediments show warming,
unique ecological changes in recent decades
www.physorg.com/news175188684.html
Thanks John for the good nose and heads up!
- If you scratch a cynic,
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:49 am |
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Leonard wrote:
[quote]Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming,
Unique Ecological Changes In Recent Decades
ScienceDaily (Oct. 27, 2009)
An analysis of sediment cores indicates that
biological and chemical changes occurring at
a remote Arctic lake are unprecedented over
the past 200,000 years and likely are the result of
human-caused climate change, according to a new
study led by the University of Colorado at Boulder.
While environmental changes at the lake over the
past millennia have been shown to be tightly linked
with natural causes of climate change -- like
periodic, well-understood wobbles in Earth's orbit
-- changes seen in the sediment cores since about
1950 indicate expected climate cooling is being
overridden by human activity like greenhouse gas
emissions. The research team reconstructed past
climate and environmental changes at the lake on
Baffin Island using indicators that included algae,
fossil insects and geochemistry preserved in
sediment cores that extend back 200,000 years.
"The past few decades have been unique in the
past 200,000 years in terms of the changes we
see in the biology and chemistry recorded in the
cores," said lead study author Yarrow Axford of
CU-Boulder's Institute of Arctic and Alpine
Research. "We see clear evidence for warming in
one of the most remote places on Earth at a time
when the Arctic should be cooling because of
natural processes."
** Since there has been little rise in temps from
'50 to '95 and minimal increases of GHG
[/quote]
As usual, the denialist just makes some shit up.
[quote]this conclusion raises more questions than
answers.
The study was published Oct. 19 in the
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The study included researchers from CU-Boulder,
the State University of New York at Buffalo,
the University of Alberta, the University
of Massachusetts and Queen's University in
Kingston, Ontario.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019162929.htm[/quote] |
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| Ouroboros Rex... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:50 am |
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Last Post wrote:
[quote]On Oct 28, 6:37 pm, play... at (no spam) work.edu (Doug Bashford) wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:18 (PDT), JohnM said about:
Re: Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming, Unique Ecological
Changes In Recent Decades
On Oct 28, 2:57=C2=A0pm, Leonard <leonard7... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming,
Unique Ecological Changes In Recent Decades
ScienceDaily (Oct. 27, 2009) =E2=80=B9
...........del
** Since there has been little rise in temps from
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0'50 to '95
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to publish lake temperatures for Baffin
Is. over the last 60 years, so we can make our own minds up about
whether these have changed.
and minimal increases of GHG
Less than 1% could be minimal - the actual increase is nearer 20%
since 1950
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0this conclusion raises more questions than
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0answers.
Why not list these questions, so we can avoid having to guess what
they might be.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The study was published Oct. 19 in the
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The study included researchers from CU-Boulder,
the State University of New York at Buffalo,
the University of Alberta, the University
of Massachusetts and Queen's University in
Kingston, Ontario.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019162929.htm
That flagged paragraph is not in the original
article cited by CU-Boulder. It appears to
have been added by another drug addled kneejerk
dittohead who cares nothing about Truth.
Here is the original as cited by CU-Boulder.
www.physorg.com/news175188684.html
it leads with: "A University of Colorado at Boulder-led analysis
of a 200,000 year-old sediment core from a Baffin Island lake
indicates warming temperatures in the Arctic due to human
activity are overriding a natural cooling trend in the region. "
and:
"An analysis of sediment cores indicates that biological and
chemical changes occurring at a remote Arctic lake are
unprecedented over the past 200,000 years and likely are the
result of human-caused climate change, according to a new study
led by the University of Colorado at Boulder."
and
"While environmental changes at the lake over the past millennia
have been shown to be tightly linked with natural causes of
climate change -- like periodic, well-understood wobbles in
Earth's orbit -- changes seen in the sediment cores since about
1950 indicate expected climate cooling is being overridden by
human activity like greenhouse gas emissions. The research team
reconstructed past climate and environmental changes at the lake
on Baffin Island using indicators that included algae, fossil
insects and geochemistry preserved in sediment cores that extend
back 200,000 years.
"The past few decades have been unique in the past 200,000 years
in terms of the changes we see in the biology and chemistry
recorded in the cores," said lead study author Yarrow Axford of
CU-Boulder's Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research. "We see
clear evidence for warming in one of the most remote places on
Earth at a time when the Arctic should be cooling because of
natural processes."
The study was published Oct. 19 in the Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences. The study included researchers from
CU-Boulder, the State University of New York's University at
Buffalo, the University of Alberta, the University of
Massachusetts and Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario.
The sediment cores were extracted from the bottom of a roughly
100-acre, 30-foot-deep lake near the village of Clyde River on
the east coast of Baffin Island, which is several hundred miles
west of Greenland. The lake sediment cores go back in time 80,000
years beyond the oldest reliable ice cores from Greenland and
capture the environmental conditions of two previous ice ages and
three interglacial periods.
The sediment cores showed that several types of mosquito-like
midges that flourish in very cold climates have been abundant at
the lake for the past several thousand years. But the
cold-adapted midge species abruptly began declining in about
1950, matching their lowest abundances of the last 200,000 years.
Two of the midge species adapted to the coldest temperatures have
completely disappeared from the lake region, said Axford. "
..........snip cool stuff!
"Axford emphasized the multiyear research project required
expertise from each of the five institutions involved in the PNAS
study. "This was a team effort all the way around, and each of
the institutions has a unique set of skills that allowed us to
carry out this study," she said. "We needed people who understood
algae, insects, glaciers and geochemistry, not to mention how to
drive snowmobiles and extract the cores."
The study was funded by the National Science Foundation, the
Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada and
the Geological Society of America.
A study published in Science magazine last month that involved
CU-Boulder researchers and reconstructed past temperatures in the
Arctic using ice cores, tree rings and lake sediments concluded
that recent warming around the Arctic is overriding a cooling
trend caused by Earth's periodic wobble. Earth is now about 0.6
million miles further from the sun during the Northern Hemisphere
summer solstice than it was in 1 B.C. -- a trend that has caused
overall cooling in the Arctic until recently.
Source: University of Colorado at Boulder (news : web)"
•• The ice cores and tree rings were not
mentioned in the article nor did it cite the
Science paper. Nor have they provided
any detail of an overriding warming trend.
However the recent warming trend was all
of two or three summers hardly noteworthy
and was caused by volcanic activity.
–– ––
In real science the burden of proof is always on
the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
iota of valid data for global warming nor have
they provided data that climate change is being
effected by commerce and industry, and not by
natural phenomena.
[/quote]
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| Ouroboros Rex... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:51 am |
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Doug Bashford wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:08(PDT), Last Post said about:
Re: Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming, Unique Ecological
Changes In Recent Decades
On Oct 28, 6:37= A0pm, (Doug Bashford) wrote:
= A0On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:18 (PDT), JohnM said about:
= A0Re: Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming, Unique Ecological
Changes In =A0Recent Decades
On Oct 28, 2:57 = 3DC2 = 3DA0pm, Leonard <leonard7... at (no spam) primus.ca
wrote:
= 3DC2 = 3DA0 = 3DC2 = 3DA0 = 3DC2= 3DA0 = 3DC2= 3DA0 Arctic Lake
Sediments Sho=
w Warming,
Unique Ecological Changes In Recent Decades
ScienceDaily (Oct. 27, 2009) = 3DE2 = 3D80 = 3DB9
...........del
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019162929.htm
That flagged paragraph is not in the original
article cited by CU-Boulder. =A0It appears to
have been added by another drug addled kneejerk
dittohead who cares nothing about Truth.
These guys remind me of the snot-nosed sand castle kickers
on the playground. All the Party of No can do is destroy.
Here is the original as cited by CU-Boulder.
www.physorg.com/news175188684.html
it leads =A0with: "A University of Colorado at Boulder-led analysis
of a 200,000 year-old sediment core from a Baffin Island lake
indicates warming temperatures in the Arctic due to human
activity are overriding a natural cooling trend in the region. "
= A0 = A0 = A0 = A0 and:
=A0"An analysis of sediment cores indicates that biological and
chemical changes occurring at a remote Arctic lake are
unprecedented over the past 200,000 years and likely are the
result of human-caused climate change, according to a new study
led by the University of Colorado at Boulder."
and
........snip
=95=95 The ice cores and tree rings were not
mentioned in the article nor did it cite the
Science paper. Nor have they provided
any detail of an overriding warming trend.
However the recent warming trend was all
of two or three summers hardly noteworthy
and was caused by volcanic activity.
Where the hell is that from? Your babysitter?
Am I supposed to be a mind reader?
[/quote]
Lenny/Last Post just makes up whatever sounds good to him at the time and
posts it. He pretty much never makes actual sense at any time.
[quote]
=96=96 =96=96
In real science the burden of proof is always on
the proposer, never on the sceptics.
Bwaaaa ha ha hah!!!!!!! Is that a Bushism or did
that come from a Kiddie Haven playground?
Thomas Kuhn, "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions."
So far
neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
iota of valid data for global warming nor have
they provided data that climate change is being
effected by commerce and industry, and not by
natural phenomena.
You sound no different from the Creation Science
quotes from:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Doug Bashford said about:
Global Warming Denialism? ........or is it Creation Science?
You're soooooo soundsgood! To a believer.
How's your Messiah, the Drugster, today?
...or is your alter Fox "wrong again" News?
Doesn't matter, a dittohead is a dittohead is a
parrot is a sheep in a mindless kneejerk herd.
Limbaaaaaaaaaaaa! baaaaaaa.
Did they teach you any good science yet today?
...where evidence is valued according to degree of
soundsgoodism, shock and outrage value, and the
degree of "manly" bombastic glee and giggles delivered?
...Ah yes, Truth is an elusive thing, isn't it?
Why damned near impossible to find!
Who's soundsgoodism is best anyway? Where's my
adrenoline meter, I'll let you know. Baaaaaaa.....
- If you scratch a cynic,
- you'll find a defeated idealist.[/quote] |
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| Ouroboros Rex... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:52 am |
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Last Post wrote:
[quote]On Oct 28, 5:18 pm, JohnM <john_howard_mor... at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
On Oct 28, 2:57 pm, Leonard <leonard7... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming,
Unique Ecological Changes In Recent Decades
ScienceDaily (Oct. 27, 2009)
An analysis of sediment cores indicates that
biological and chemical changes occurring at
a remote Arctic lake are unprecedented over
the past 200,000 years and likely are the result of
human-caused climate change, according to a new
study led by the University of Colorado at Boulder.
While environmental changes at the lake over the
past millennia have been shown to be tightly linked
with natural causes of climate change -- like
periodic, well-understood wobbles in Earth's orbit
-- changes seen in the sediment cores since about
1950 indicate expected climate cooling is being
overridden by human activity like greenhouse gas
emissions. The research team reconstructed past
climate and environmental changes at the lake on
Baffin Island using indicators that included algae,
fossil insects and geochemistry preserved in
sediment cores that extend back 200,000 years.
"The past few decades have been unique in the
past 200,000 years in terms of the changes we
see in the biology and chemistry recorded in the
cores," said lead study author Yarrow Axford of
CU-Boulder's Institute of Arctic and Alpine
Research. "We see clear evidence for warming in
one of the most remote places on Earth at a time
when the Arctic should be cooling because of
natural processes."
** Since there has been little rise in temps from
'50 to '95
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to publish lake temperatures for Baffin
Is. over the last 60 years, so we can make our own minds up about
whether these have changed.
Do your own homework, sucker
and minimal increases of GHG
Less than 1% could be minimal - the actual increase is nearer 20%
since 1950
.. Bullshit makes the grass grow green
and I'll be over with the mower.
this conclusion raises more questions than
answers.
Why not list these questions, so we can avoid having to guess what
they might be.
.. do your own homework Morgan, if you can.
Otherwise tough shit
The study was published Oct. 19 in the
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The study included researchers from CU-Boulder,
the State University of New York at Buffalo,
the University of Alberta, the University
of Massachusetts and Queen's University in
Kingston, Ontario.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019162929.htm
[/quote]
Caught lying, as usual, the denialist just makes some shit up. |
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| I M at (no spam) good guy... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:11 pm |
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:18:53 GMT, playing at (no spam) work.edu (Doug Bashford)
wrote:
[snip the goofy extremism political garbage]
[quote]Here's the real article,
as cited by University of Colorado:
Arctic lake sediments show warming,
unique ecological changes in recent decades
www.physorg.com/news175188684.html
[/quote]
The sediments are no doubt very useful,
but what "they show" is likely mostly opinion
as far as climate goes.
Other things besides temperature and
lack or existence of ice can affect organisms,
usually it is lack of food year-round that gives
any population problems.
I tried to find an image or reference that
shows that lake is ever not solid ice cover, any
evidence that supports the claims of the writer,
which can get very misleading if the writer was
not one of the scientists.
Please don't respond to any of my articles,
your mouth just doesn't offer any kind of reason. |
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| Ouroboros Rex... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:09 pm |
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I M at (no spam) good guy wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:18:53 GMT, playing at (no spam) work.edu (Doug Bashford)
wrote:
[snip the goofy extremism political garbage]
Here's the real article,
as cited by University of Colorado:
Arctic lake sediments show warming,
unique ecological changes in recent decades
www.physorg.com/news175188684.html
The sediments are no doubt very useful,
but what "they show" is likely mostly opinion
as far as climate goes.
Other things besides temperature and
lack or existence of ice can affect organisms,
usually it is lack of food year-round that gives
any population problems.
I tried to find an image or reference that
shows that lake is ever not solid ice cover, any
evidence that supports the claims of the writer,
which can get very misleading if the writer was
not one of the scientists.
Please don't respond to any of my articles,
your mouth just doesn't offer any kind of reason.
[/quote]
As usual, the denialist just makes some shit up. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:17 am |
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On Oct 29, 10:58Â am, JohnM <john_howard_mor... at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 28, 4:53Â pm, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
On Oct 28, 5:18Â pm, JohnM <john_howard_mor... at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
On Oct 28, 2:57Â pm, Leonard <leonard7... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
    Arctic Lake Sediments Show Warming,
Unique Ecological Changes In Recent Decades
ScienceDaily (Oct. 27, 2009) ‹
  An analysis of sediment cores indicates that
 biological and chemical changes occurring at
 a remote Arctic lake are unprecedented over
the past 200,000 years and likely are the result of
human-caused climate change, according to a new
study led by the University of Colorado at Boulder.
  While environmental changes at the lake over the
past millennia have been shown to be tightly linked
with natural causes of climate change -- like
periodic, well-understood wobbles in Earth's orbit
 -- changes seen in the sediment cores since about
1950 indicate expected climate cooling is being
overridden by human activity like greenhouse gas
emissions. The research team reconstructed past
climate and environmental changes at the lake on
Baffin Island using indicators that included algae,
fossil insects and geochemistry preserved in
sediment cores that extend back 200,000 years.
  "The past few decades have been unique in the
past 200,000 years in terms of the changes we
see in the biology and chemistry recorded in the
cores," said lead study author Yarrow Axford of
CU-Boulder's Institute of Arctic and Alpine
Research. "We see clear evidence for warming in
one of the most remote places on Earth at a time
when the Arctic should be cooling because of
natural processes."
** Since there has been little rise in temps from
   '50 to '95
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to publish lake temperatures for Baffin
Is. over the last 60 years, so we can make our own minds up about
whether these have changed.
Do your own homework, sucker
It seems temperatures on Baffin Is. have really soared by several
degrees in the last 20 years. Is that's why you don't want to post
them here, eh?
and minimal increases of GHG
Less than 1% could be minimal - the actual increase is nearer 20%
since 1950
•• Bullshit makes the grass grow green
  and I'll be over with the mower.
The record of the Mauna Laua observatory indicates that such is the
case.
   this conclusion raises more questions than
   answers.
Why not list these questions, so we can avoid having to guess what
they might be.
•• do your own homework Morgan, if you can.
  Otherwise tough shit
WTF. You offered questions - now put them up right here, so they can
be answered.
[/quote]
How did I guess you'd be ignoring this post? Did a last post finally
sound for your perverted logic? Bwahahaha......
[quote]Â Â The study was published Oct. 19 in the
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The study included researchers from CU-Boulder,
the State University of New York at Buffalo,
the University of Alberta, the University
of Massachusetts and Queen's University in
Kingston, Ontario.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019162929.htm[/quote] |
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