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| Jan Drew... |
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| Jan Drew... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:28 pm |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:30 pm |
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| Jan Drew... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:33 pm |
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On Oct 31, 6:24�pm, Peter Parry <pe... at (no spam) wpp.ltd.uk>
NO credibility. |
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| Mark Probert... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:35 pm |
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On Oct 31, 8:04 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 3:52 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 31, 2:21 pm, "john" <nos... at (no spam) bt.com> wrote:
http://preventdisease.com/news/09/102809_9_arguments_to_win_any_vacci....
9 Questions That Stump Every Pro-Vaccine Advocate and Their Claims
Since the flu pandemic was declared, there have been several so-called
"vaccine experts" coming out of the wood work attempting to justify the
effectiveness of vaccines. All of them parrot the same ridiculous historical
and pseudoscientific perspectives of vaccinations which are easily squelched
with the following 9 questions.
Claim: The study of vaccines, their historical record of achievements,
effectiveness, safety and mechanism in humans are well understood and proven
in scientific and medical circles.
Fact: The claim is completely false.
1. What to ask: Could you please provide one double-blind,
placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of
vaccines?
http://wps.aw.com/wps/media/objects/14/15269/projects/ch12_salk/index...
Hmmm. This is not a double-blind placebo controlled study that proved
the question John asked.
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It surely was. I was part of it. I recall going to the gym and lining
up one kid on the right, one on the left.
[quote]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4585992
Neither is that.
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It is a discussion of the same Salk trial, a/k/a study.
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1952 The United States reports 57,628 polio cases -- the worst U.S.
epidemic on record.
-- Dr. Salk and his colleagues develop a potentially safe, injectable
vaccine against polio. Nearly 15,000 Pittsburgh-area subjects, mostly
children, receive the vaccine in pilot trials.
Read the words trials. This is not what John listed.
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Trials is an older term for study. It was double blind, and it prove
efficacy of the vaccine.
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Neither is this thread about Polio
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OMG, are you really this stupid? I find it hard to believe that any
person who can toilet themselves is this stupid. Please tell me it is
an act. |
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| Jason... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:44 pm |
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In article <FaCdndKRR8KyHXHXnZ2dnUVZ8oednZ2d at (no spam) bt.com>, "john"
<nospam at (no spam) bt.com> wrote:
[quote]
http://preventdisease.com/news/09/102809_9_arguments_to_win_any_vaccine_debate.shtml
9 Questions That Stump Every Pro-Vaccine Advocate and Their Claims
Since the flu pandemic was declared, there have been several so-called
"vaccine experts" coming out of the wood work attempting to justify the
effectiveness of vaccines. All of them parrot the same ridiculous historical
and pseudoscientific perspectives of vaccinations which are easily squelched
with the following 9 questions.
Claim: The study of vaccines, their historical record of achievements,
effectiveness, safety and mechanism in humans are well understood and proven
in scientific and medical circles.
Fact: The claim is completely false.
1. What to ask: Could you please provide one double-blind,
placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of
vaccines?
2. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific evidence on ANY study
which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?
3. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific evidence which can prove
that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was
attributable to inoculation of populations?
4. What to ask: Could you please explain how the safety and mechanism of
vaccines in the human body are scientifically proven if their
pharmacokinetics (the study of bodily absorption, distribution, metabolism
and excretion of ingredients) are never examined or analyzed in any vaccine
study?
One of the most critical elements which defines the toxicity potential of
any vaccine are its pharmacokinetic properties. Drug companies and health
agencies refuse to consider the study, analysis or evaluation of the
pharmacokinetic properties of any vaccine.
There is not one double-blind, placebo-controlled study in the history of
vaccine development that has ever proven their safety, effectiveness or
achievements (unless those achievements have underlined their damage to
human health).
There are also no controlled studies completed in any country which have
objectively proven that vaccines have had any direct or consequential effect
on the reduction of any type of disease in any part of the world.
Every single study that has ever attempted to validate the safety and
effectiveness of vaccines has conclusively established carcinogenic,
mutagenic, neurotoxic or fertility impairments, but they won't address
those.
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Claim: Preservatives and chemical additives used in the manufacture of
vaccines are safe and no studies have been linked or proven them unsafe for
use in humans.
Fact: The claim is completely false.
5. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification as to how
injecting a human being with a confirmed neurotoxin is beneficial to human
health and prevents disease?
6. What to ask: Can you provide a risk/benefit profile on how the benefits
of injecting a known neurotoxin exceeds its risks to human health for the
intended goal of preventing disease?
This issue is no longer even open to debate. It is a scientifically
established fact in literally hundreds of studies that the preservatives and
chemical additives in vaccines damage cells. Neurotoxicity, immune
suppression, immune-mediated chronic inflammation and carcinogenic
proliferation are just a few of several effects that have been observed on
the human body. See a list of chemicals in vaccines
Fortunately, the drug companies still tell us the damage vaccines have on
the human body. People just don't read them. All you have to do is look at
the insert for any vaccine, and it will detail the exact ingredients, alerts
and potentially lethal effects.
See my latest analysis of the Arepanrix H1N1 vaccine for an example.
Any medical professional who believes that it is justified to inject any
type of neurotoxin into any person to prevent any disease is completely
misguided, misinformed, deluded and ignorant of any logic regarding human
health.
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Claim: Once an individual is injected with the foreign antigen in the
vaccine, that individual becomes immune to future infections.
Fact: The claim is completely false.
7. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification on how
bypassing the respiratory tract (or mucous membrane) is advantageous and how
directly injecting viruses into the bloodstream enhances immune functioning
and prevents future infections?
8. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification on how a
vaccine would prevent viruses from mutating?
9. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification as to how
a vaccination can target a virus in an infected individual who does not have
the exact viral configuration or strain the vaccine was developed for?
All promoters of vaccination fail to realize that the respiratory tract of
humans (actually all mammals) contains antibodies which initiates natural
immune responses within the respiratory tract mucosa. Bypassing this mucosal
aspect of the immune system by directly injecting viruses into the
bloodstream leads to a corruption in the immune system itself. As a result,
the pathogenic viruses or bacteria cannot be eliminated by the immune system
and remain in the body, where they will further grow and/or mutate as the
individual is exposed to ever more antigens and toxins in the environment
which continue to assault the immune system.
Despite the injection of any type of vaccine, viruses continue circulating
through the body, mutating and transforming into other organisms. The
ability of a vaccine manufacturer to target the exact viral strain without
knowing its mutagenic properties is equivalent to shooting a gun at a fixed
target that has already been moved from its location. You would be shooting
at what was, not what is!
Flu viruses, may mutate, change or adapt several times over a period of one
flu season, making the seasonal influenza vaccine 100% redundant and
ineffective every single flu season. Ironically, the natural immune defenses
of the human body can target these changes but the vaccines cannot.
I have never encountered one pro-vaccine advocate, whether medically or
scientifically qualified, who could answer even 1 let alone all 9 of these
questions. One or all of the following will happen when debating any of the
above questions:
- They will concede defeat and admit they are stumped
- They will attempt to discredit unrelated issues that do not pertain to the
question.
- They will formulate their response and rebuttal based on historical
arguments and scientific studies which have been disproved over and over
again.
Not one pro-vaccine advocate will ever directly address these questions in
an open mainstream venue.
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The reality is that some vaccines have prevented millions of people from
developing terrible diseases such as polio (poliomyelitis). Polio went
from MAJOR public health problem to a minor one in very short time. The
reason is because of the Salk Vaccine. Smallpox is another example of a
disease that has almost been eradicated through vaccination. |
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| Peter Parry... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:24 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:11:51 -0000, "john" <nospam at (no spam) bt.com> wrote:
[quote]someone checked out for me,
according to someone who tried to access them.
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Wow - credibility. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:23 pm |
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On Oct 31, 3:44 pm, Ja... at (no spam) nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
[quote]In article <FaCdndKRR8KyHXHXnZ2dnUVZ8oedn... at (no spam) bt.com>, "john"
nos... at (no spam) bt.com> wrote:
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The reality is that some vaccines have prevented millions of people from
developing terrible diseases such as polio (poliomyelitis). Polio went
from MAJOR public health problem to a minor one in very short time. The
reason is because of the Salk Vaccine. Smallpox is another example of a
disease that has almost been eradicated through vaccination.
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Regarding Polio:
1997: Polio is not eradicated by vaccination, but likely lurks behind
a disease redefinition
and new diagnostic names like viral or aseptic
meningitis.......According to one of the
1997 issues of the MMWR, there are some 30,000 to 50,000 cases of
viral meningitis per
year in the United States alone.! That's where it is thought that
30,000 - 50,000 cases of
polio disappeared after the introduction of mass vaccination.
"Today, various other forms of the word "polio" are still used to
describe the effects of
poisoning, though usually with regard to paralysis in animals. A
search of Medline
("polio" and "poison") finds about 45 contemporary articles where
poisoning causality is
attributed to polio. The terminology found was:
"polioencephalomalacia",
27
"poliomyelomalacia", "polyradiculoneuritis", "neurological picture
similar to that of
poliomyelitis", "polioencephalomyelomalacia", "lumbal
poliomyelomalacia",
"cerebrocortical necrosis (polioencephalomalacia)", "Lead poisoning in
grey-headed
fruit bats (Pteropus poliocephalus)", "multifocal-poliomyelomalacia",
"spinal
poliomalacia", "Polio and high-sulfate diets", "atypical porcine
enterovirus
encephalomyelitis: possible interraction between enteroviruses and
arsenicals",
"polioencephalomalacia and photosensitization associated with kochia
scoparia
consumption in range cattle", "bovine polioencephalomalacia." Viral or
aseptic
meningitis, Guillaine Barre Syndrome (GBS), Chinese paralytic
syndrome, chronic
fatigue syndrome, epidemic cholera, cholera morbus, spinal meningitis,
spinal apoplexy,
inhibitory palsy, intermittent fever, famine fever, worm fever,
bilious remittent fever,
ergotism, ME, post-polio syndrome, acute flaccid paralysis! (Jim West,
Health and
Research Publications, http://www.geocities.com/harpub/).
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taken from:
"How to Predict Epidemics"
Andrew Maniotis, Ph.D.
Program Director in the Cell and Developmental Biology of Cancer
Department of Pathology, Anatomy and Cell Biology, and Bioengineering,
University of Illinois at Chicago
Chicago, IL 60607
Email: amanioti at (no spam) uic.edu |
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| Jan Drew... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:38 pm |
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On Oct 31, 6:45�pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob... at (no spam) gmail.com>
Drivel deleted. |
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| Jan Drew... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:41 pm |
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On Oct 31, 6:57�pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 7:53�pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
Thank you, Jan. This is such a good post, it needed an Encore!
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No, I didn't post that. You did. |
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| Jan Drew... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:44 pm |
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| Jan Drew... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:45 pm |
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Nor dr_jeff <u... at (no spam) msu.edu> wrote:
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| Jerry... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:54 pm |
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On Oct 31, 1:44 pm, Ja... at (no spam) nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
[quote]The reality is that some vaccines have prevented millions of people from
developing terrible diseases such as polio (poliomyelitis). Polio went
from MAJOR public health problem to a minor one in very short time. The
reason is because of the Salk Vaccine. Smallpox is another example of a
disease that has almost been eradicated through vaccination.
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Can you provide evidence that the vaccine is what got rid of smallpox?
Or is that just what most people believe and it must be true because
most people believe it?
According to the evidence in this book ...
http://www.whale.to/a/mcbean3.html
smallpox was on the decline before the vaccine was started. And there
is no evidence from the statistics that the vaccine helped.
Don't blame me; I'm just looking at the statistical evidence. You can
look it up yourself. |
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| Peter Bowditch... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:02 pm |
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premy2u <premy2u at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Polio is not eradicated by vaccination, but likely lurks behind
a disease redefinition
and new diagnostic names like viral or aseptic
meningitis
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This would be funny if it wasn't so fucking stupid and pathetic.
When are the anti-vaccination liars going to get a new set of lies? We
are tired of hearing the old ones.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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| Mark Probert... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:20 pm |
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On Nov 23, 9:41 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 6:57 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 31, 7:53 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
Thank you, Jan. This is such a good post, it needed an Encore!
No, I didn't post that. You did.
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Correct. The post you snipped needed an Encore! |
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