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| crunch... |
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On Oct 24, 1:35 pm, Peter Alaca <p.al... at (no spam) invallid.invalid> wrote:
[quote]crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> 24/10/2009 19:34 wrote:
On Oct 23, 3:50 am, jerry warner <jwar... at (no spam) mchsi.com> wrote:
crunch wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/modern-man-a-wimp-says-anth....
"Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day
carrying more than half their body weight in equipment."
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Extract -
"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people
were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies
haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite
athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that.
"We wouldn't want to go back to the brutality of those days but there
are some things we would do well to profit from."
You would be attracted to this item of boiler plate,
which appeared in another group. Do you have a day job?
...
Usenet was originally set up for discussion
and this thread certainly has seen discussion.
David Christainsen
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That's right and I was never attacked.
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| Peter Alaca... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:35 am |
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crunch <pchristainsen at (no spam) yahoo.com> 24/10/2009 19:34 wrote:
[quote]On Oct 23, 3:50 am, jerry warner <jwar... at (no spam) mchsi.com> wrote:
crunch wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/modern-man-a-wimp-says-anth...
"Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day
carrying more than half their body weight in equipment."
---
Extract -
"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people
were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies
haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite
athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that.
"We wouldn't want to go back to the brutality of those days but there
are some things we would do well to profit from."
You would be attracted to this item of boiler plate,
which appeared in another group. Do you have a day job?
...
Usenet was originally set up for discussion
and this thread certainly has seen discussion.
David Christainsen
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But you took no part. |
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| George... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:01 pm |
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On Oct 25, 10:15 am, Peter Alaca <p.al... at (no spam) invallid.invalid> wrote:
[quote]See how easy it is? If you are not around, you will not be
attacked. So fuck off, and you wil be living in peace for
ever
As will we ![/quote] |
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| Peter Alaca... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:15 pm |
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crunch <pchristainsen at (no spam) yahoo.com> 24/10/2009 22:33 wrote:
[quote]On Oct 24, 1:35 pm, Peter Alaca <p.al... at (no spam) invallid.invalid> wrote:
crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> 24/10/2009 19:34 wrote:
On Oct 23, 3:50 am, jerry warner <jwar... at (no spam) mchsi.com> wrote:
crunch wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/modern-man-a-wimp-says-anth...
"Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day
carrying more than half their body weight in equipment."
---
Extract -
"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people
were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies
haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite
athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that.
"We wouldn't want to go back to the brutality of those days but there
are some things we would do well to profit from."
You would be attracted to this item of boiler plate,
which appeared in another group. Do you have a day job?
...
Usenet was originally set up for discussion
and this thread certainly has seen discussion.
David Christainsen
But you took no part.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
That's right and I was never attacked.
David Christainsen
[/quote]
See how easy it is? If you are not around, you will not be
attacked. So fuck off, and you wil be living in peace for
ever. |
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| Matt Giwer... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:20 pm |
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009, Peter Alaca wrote:
[quote]crunch <pchristainsen at (no spam) yahoo.com> 24/10/2009 19:34 wrote:
On Oct 23, 3:50 am, jerry warner <jwar... at (no spam) mchsi.com> wrote:
crunch wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/modern-man-a-wimp-says-anth...
"Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day
carrying more than half their body weight in equipment." --- Extract -
"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people
were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies
haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite
athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that. "We wouldn't want to
go back to the brutality of those days but there are some things we
would do well to profit from."
You would be attracted to this item of boiler plate, which appeared in
another group. Do you have a day job?
...
Usenet was originally set up for discussion and this thread certainly has
seen discussion.
David Christainsen
But you took no part.
[/quote]
He sees himself as the hostess, literally.
--
To help mankind a degree in medicine requires great effort, intelligence and
dedication. A degree in divinity requires only dedication.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4184
http://www.giwersworld.org a1
Sun Oct 25 01:20:20 EDT 2009 |
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| crunch... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:02 am |
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On Oct 24, 5:15 pm, Peter Alaca <p.al... at (no spam) invallid.invalid> wrote:
[quote]crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> 24/10/2009 22:33 wrote:
On Oct 24, 1:35 pm, Peter Alaca <p.al... at (no spam) invallid.invalid> wrote:
crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> 24/10/2009 19:34 wrote:
On Oct 23, 3:50 am, jerry warner <jwar... at (no spam) mchsi.com> wrote:
crunch wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/modern-man-a-wimp-says-anth...
"Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day
carrying more than half their body weight in equipment."
---
Extract -
"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people
were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies
haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite
athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that.
"We wouldn't want to go back to the brutality of those days but there
are some things we would do well to profit from."
You would be attracted to this item of boiler plate,
which appeared in another group. Do you have a day job?
...
Usenet was originally set up for discussion
and this thread certainly has seen discussion.
David Christainsen
But you took no part.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
That's right and I was never attacked.
David Christainsen
See how easy it is? If you are not around, you will not be
attacked. So fuck off, and you wil be living in peace for
ever.
[/quote]
You are a usenet brat in your interaction. Reform or take
a pounding from, let's say, Eric Stevens, who does not like
your infantile verbal ping-pong with me.
David Christainsen |
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| crunch... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:03 am |
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On Oct 24, 6:01 pm, George <gbl... at (no spam) hnpl.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 25, 10:15 am, Peter Alaca <p.al... at (no spam) invallid.invalid> wrote:
See how easy it is? If you are not around, you will not be
attacked. So fuck off, and you wil be living in peace for
ever
As will we !
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Your comment is retrograde. |
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| crunch... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:03 am |
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On Oct 25, 1:20 am, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
[quote]On Sat, 24 Oct 2009, Peter Alaca wrote:
crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> 24/10/2009 19:34 wrote:
On Oct 23, 3:50 am, jerry warner <jwar... at (no spam) mchsi.com> wrote:
crunch wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/modern-man-a-wimp-says-anth....
"Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day
carrying more than half their body weight in equipment." --- Extract -
"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people
were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies
haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite
athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that. "We wouldn't want to
go back to the brutality of those days but there are some things we
would do well to profit from."
You would be attracted to this item of boiler plate, which appeared in
another group. Do you have a day job?
...
Usenet was originally set up for discussion and this thread certainly has
seen discussion.
David Christainsen
But you took no part.
He sees himself as the hostess, literally.
--
To help mankind a degree in medicine requires great effort, intelligence and
dedication. A degree in divinity requires only dedication.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4184
http://www.giwersworld.orga1
Sun Oct 25 01:20:20 EDT 2009- Hide quoted text -
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Giwer is the usenet village idiot, bar none.
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| George... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:27 am |
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On Oct 26, 7:03 am, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]Giwer is the usenet village idiot, bar none.
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First time I've seen some-one have to look up to look down on some-one
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| crunch... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:47 am |
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On Oct 25, 3:33 pm, Peter Alaca <p.al... at (no spam) invallid.invalid> wrote:
[quote]crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> 25/10/2009 19:02 wrote:
On Oct 24, 5:15 pm, Peter Alaca <p.al... at (no spam) invallid.invalid> wrote:
crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> 24/10/2009 22:33 wrote:
On Oct 24, 1:35 pm, Peter Alaca <p.al... at (no spam) invallid.invalid> wrote:
crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> 24/10/2009 19:34 wrote:
On Oct 23, 3:50 am, jerry warner <jwar... at (no spam) mchsi.com> wrote:
crunch wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/modern-man-a-wimp-says-anth...
"Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day
carrying more than half their body weight in equipment."
---
Extract -
"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people
were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies
haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite
athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that.
"We wouldn't want to go back to the brutality of those days but there
are some things we would do well to profit from."
You would be attracted to this item of boiler plate,
which appeared in another group. Do you have a day job?
...
Usenet was originally set up for discussion
and this thread certainly has seen discussion.
David Christainsen
But you took no part.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
That's right and I was never attacked.
David Christainsen
See how easy it is? If you are not around, you will not be
attacked. So fuck off, and you wil be living in peace for
ever.
You are a usenet brat in your interaction. Reform or take
a pounding from, let's say, Eric Stevens, who does not like
your infantile verbal ping-pong with me.
So fuck off, and it will stop.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
You miss what is right in front of your face. |
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| Peter Alaca... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:33 pm |
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crunch <pchristainsen at (no spam) yahoo.com> 25/10/2009 19:02 wrote:
[quote]On Oct 24, 5:15 pm, Peter Alaca <p.al... at (no spam) invallid.invalid> wrote:
crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> 24/10/2009 22:33 wrote:
On Oct 24, 1:35 pm, Peter Alaca <p.al... at (no spam) invallid.invalid> wrote:
crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> 24/10/2009 19:34 wrote:
On Oct 23, 3:50 am, jerry warner <jwar... at (no spam) mchsi.com> wrote:
crunch wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/modern-man-a-wimp-says-anth...
"Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day
carrying more than half their body weight in equipment."
---
Extract -
"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people
were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies
haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite
athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that.
"We wouldn't want to go back to the brutality of those days but there
are some things we would do well to profit from."
You would be attracted to this item of boiler plate,
which appeared in another group. Do you have a day job?
...
Usenet was originally set up for discussion
and this thread certainly has seen discussion.
David Christainsen
But you took no part.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
That's right and I was never attacked.
David Christainsen
See how easy it is? If you are not around, you will not be
attacked. So fuck off, and you wil be living in peace for
ever.
You are a usenet brat in your interaction. Reform or take
a pounding from, let's say, Eric Stevens, who does not like
your infantile verbal ping-pong with me.
[/quote]
So fuck off, and it will stop. |
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| Robert Grumbine... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:25 am |
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In article <528faad1-3f7d-4ba3-8165-2cf313bd5020 at (no spam) r31g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, Tiglath wrote:
[quote]On Oct 22, 12:37 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 22, 8:18 am, Tiglath <te... at (no spam) tiglath.net> wrote:
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How y'all got on to marathoning is a mystery. I entered late in
the story. But I am a distance runner and have some interest in
people covering distance through time. Interesting paper a few
years ago in, iirc, Nature, about H. erectus evolution having much
more to do with making him a good runner, than for a good walker.
Followup to soc.history.ancient
[quote]"What good does a marathon do the the body?"
What good do bicycle races do to the the body?
Unable to see the difference too?
You specified "races", don't you know the difference?
I do; there are long races, short races, hard races and easy races.
A race doesn't imply that it's as hard as a marathon. Learn that
difference too.
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Being a marathon doesn't mean it's 'as hard as a marathon'.
Marthons need not be hard. Nor does one have to run them hard.
Nor do you have to run at all in a marathon.
A friend ran a marathon the day after he had raced 50 miles.
It was his 'recovery run'. Guy is in exceptional shape, of
course. But, as a recovery run, he did the marathon in 4.5 hours.
When he decided to race one, he finished in 3.5 hours.
[quote]A marathon involves running 26 miles -- always an excess.
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26 miles 385 yards, metricized as 42,195 meters. But you'd
have to present some evidence that covering that distance is
an excess in some way that biking 100 miles is not.
[quote]Statistics on
the last century I did, which was on an almost perfectly flat course,
said that the youngest participant to complete the race was 5 and the
oldest 87.
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That's about the age range for doing marathons. I think the upper
observed age is over 90 now.
[quote]Not to mention that running involves impact and bicycling doesn't.
I don't run, and never did much, like close to zero. I've biked a lot
and have bad knees. Probably genetic, who knows?
Maybe, but any doctor will tell you that if you have bad knees you are
better off on a bicycle than running. Many cyclists have bad knees
because arthritis runs in their families, and cycling makes their
knees better as long as they don't abuse it: No centuries no hard
hills, and gearing for fast cadence.
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Odd, then, that the clinical trials on running and arthritis
show that the running does not cause arthritis and, indeed, slows
the progression and diminishes the severity. Noakes, 4th ed.
_The Lore of Running_ for more detail.
For group relevance, and more interesting to me, is that from my
looking around and asking around, it seems that 10-20 miles per day
has long (including Romans) been the normal 'long day's walk'. Talk
of 1.5 marathons -- someone is going to have to present some significant
evidence for routine daily treks of 40 miles/60 km. I'm a relatively
fast walker (and efficient walking speed is a matter of leg length,
so the Romans, or anyone else, being tougher doesn't matter -- I'm
longer-legged, therefore faster) and walk right about 100 meters per
minute. A 60 km walk/march is a matter of 10 hours -- without breaks
for food or water, or taking down the morning's camp or setting up the
evening's camp. It's in that category of 'it could be done, but it
won't be done routinely'.
The stations of the Inca trail relay are also 10-20 miles apart.
They ran the distance (though I wager it was a run/walk). But it's
10-20, not 30-60 miles.
(Sorry for intermixing units).
A likely point limiting the practicable routine long days to about
20 miles is the human body. We carry about enough sugar in our system
to support about a 20 mile walk/run. Anything longer than that requires
that we be eating along the way, or be doing special training to
encourage our body to burn more fat than it usually would want to.
And, preferably, both. (More on this, too, in Noakes.)
Different matter often ignored is surface. I've done a
trail ultramarathon (50 km) and a road marathon. The trail
race was much easier on my feet/knees/hips. Packed dirt and
rocks is a better surface to run on than asphalt. The Roman
roads (etc.) are much closer to the trails I was running on
then the usual surface of a popular marathon.
--
Robert Grumbine http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/ Science blog
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences |
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| rick++... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:20 am |
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Suppply lines have to keep up too.
Many wre horse-drawn carriages.
I read somewhere that each spartan soldier had up
to six support slaves carrying food and gear. |
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