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| krw... |
 Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:54 pm |
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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:34:46 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote:4b73256267]
krw wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:51:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
krw wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:53:12 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
I've remarked here before... having breakfast in Huntsville,
Alabama... waitress says, "Now eat your grits, Honey"... in a heavy
German accent ;-)
If she had lived there long enough, it would have been: Y'all eat
your grits, Honey"... in a heavy German accent ;-)
In Huntsville it would be "Y'all vill eat zer gritz, or I call
Verner!"
Verner would have needed an AK-47.
AK-47? Verner had missiles. ;-)
Braun vs brains?
[/quote:4b73256267]
Very good. <adds two points to Michael's score> |
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| TheGlimmerMan... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:40 pm |
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On 1 Jul 2009 12:51:11 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik at (no spam) abuse.gov> wrote:
[quote:e725c16697]krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in
news:0tra4558krri8e40qnoekd09cqsnlgd6g9 at (no spam) 4ax.com:
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:08:34 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise at (no spam) example.net
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Jim Thompson wrote:
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?
We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!
Just learn how to shoot, and you can do them with a .22. I once watched
a guy take two squirrels out of trees, and a running rabbit in the scrub
at about 10-15 paces. I also watched them skin and gut the animals, but
they didn't invite me for dinner. ;-)
A .22CB ought to do it, without waking the neighbors. I've threatened
to buy a few boxes for squirrels.
its STILL "discharging a firearm within city limits",and still illegal.
whereas using an air rifle is probably not illegal.
[/quote:e725c16697]
Yes. A powder actuated ballistic device, commonly known as a gun is
usually regulated within city limits.
Air actuated ballistic devices are usually called an "air pistol" or
"air rifle". One seldom hears them described as a gun, though they are,
as the definition of a gun is completely covered by air actuated
ballistic devices.
Most cities wont cite for discharge, but if you do it in an upward
trajectory, you are responsible for any damage the projectile causes with
anything it impacts.
Same is true for guns, of course, but they usually get pointed at other
people, so there is a 'flesh trap' for the projectile, unless it passes
on through. |
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| DarkMatter... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:52 pm |
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On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:53:14 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
[quote:936f7af7fa]On 1 Jul 2009 12:51:11 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik at (no spam) abuse.gov> wrote:
krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in
news:0tra4558krri8e40qnoekd09cqsnlgd6g9 at (no spam) 4ax.com:
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:08:34 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise at (no spam) example.net
wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?
We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!
Just learn how to shoot, and you can do them with a .22. I once watched
a guy take two squirrels out of trees, and a running rabbit in the scrub
at about 10-15 paces. I also watched them skin and gut the animals, but
they didn't invite me for dinner. ;-)
A .22CB ought to do it, without waking the neighbors. I've threatened
to buy a few boxes for squirrels.
its STILL "discharging a firearm within city limits",and still illegal.
whereas using an air rifle is probably not illegal.
You're as bad as DimBulb at moving the goal posts.
[/quote:936f7af7fa]
You're an idiot. |
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| krw... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:44 pm |
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On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:52:13 -0700, DarkMatter
<DarkMatter at (no spam) thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
[quote:b59a075b83]On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:53:14 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On 1 Jul 2009 12:51:11 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik at (no spam) abuse.gov> wrote:
krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in
news:0tra4558krri8e40qnoekd09cqsnlgd6g9 at (no spam) 4ax.com:
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:08:34 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise at (no spam) example.net
wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?
We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!
Just learn how to shoot, and you can do them with a .22. I once watched
a guy take two squirrels out of trees, and a running rabbit in the scrub
at about 10-15 paces. I also watched them skin and gut the animals, but
they didn't invite me for dinner. ;-)
A .22CB ought to do it, without waking the neighbors. I've threatened
to buy a few boxes for squirrels.
its STILL "discharging a firearm within city limits",and still illegal.
whereas using an air rifle is probably not illegal.
You're as bad as DimBulb at moving the goal posts.
You're an idiot.
[/quote:b59a075b83]
You're AlwaysWrong. |
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| Richard Cranium... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:56 pm |
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On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:52:13 -0700, DarkMatter
<DarkMatter at (no spam) thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
<<<<<Snip>>>>>
Hey Archie - have you been outed??? Seeing a few interesting posts
about someone fingering a technical-type asswipe. That does describe
you. Have you been compromised??? |
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| JosephKK... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:47 am |
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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:01:56 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote:a648b9238a]
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:59:13 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:34:46 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
krw wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:51:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
krw wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:53:12 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
I've remarked here before... having breakfast in Huntsville,
Alabama... waitress says, "Now eat your grits, Honey"... in a heavy
German accent ;-)
If she had lived there long enough, it would have been: Y'all eat
your grits, Honey"... in a heavy German accent ;-)
In Huntsville it would be "Y'all vill eat zer gritz, or I call
Verner!"
Verner would have needed an AK-47.
AK-47? Verner had missiles. ;-)
Braun vs brains?
Sno-o-o-o-ort! Good play on the language!
I hope you didn't hurt yourself. ;-)
Not any more. Now that the doctors have me pissing proper I'm feeling
great... back to working outdoors ;-)
Good for you. thanks to continuing problems with an idiot t the
local VA clinic, I still can't get the swellings down in my legs enough
to heal the sores.
[/quote:a648b9238a]
It is beginning to sound like you should give him similar treatment to
the punk that tried to rob you a few years back. In a slightly
perverted sense the doc is doing something ethically similar. |
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| ehsjr... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:03 pm |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
<snip>
[quote:5b3cd32f5a]
Good for you. thanks to continuing problems with an idiot t the
local VA clinic, I still can't get the swellings down in my legs enough
to heal the sores.
[/quote:5b3cd32f5a]
Aquaphor might help - I hear it works well for sores, so maybe
it will help you. Don't know about price or availability.
http://www.eucerinus.com/products/hb_aho.html
Wish I had some idea to help with the swelling, but I'm
clueless on that. :-(
Ed |
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| Kai... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:40 pm |
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On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:20:28 GMT, normfarnsworth3 at (no spam) yahoo.com (Norman
Farnsworth) wrote:
[quote:0d10ad6707]On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:03:36 -0700, Kai
kai at (no spam) thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:27:00 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise at (no spam) example.net
wrote:
What's "DE"?
Depleted Eucalyptus.
Wrong Again
[/quote:0d10ad6707]
It was a joke, idiot.
Still stalking, I see. |
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| Michael A. Terrell... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:32 pm |
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JosephKK wrote:
[quote:7fcb39f97b]
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:01:56 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:59:13 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:34:46 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
krw wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:51:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
krw wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:53:12 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
I've remarked here before... having breakfast in Huntsville,
Alabama... waitress says, "Now eat your grits, Honey"... in a heavy
German accent ;-)
If she had lived there long enough, it would have been: Y'all eat
your grits, Honey"... in a heavy German accent ;-)
In Huntsville it would be "Y'all vill eat zer gritz, or I call
Verner!"
Verner would have needed an AK-47.
AK-47? Verner had missiles. ;-)
Braun vs brains?
Sno-o-o-o-ort! Good play on the language!
I hope you didn't hurt yourself. ;-)
Not any more. Now that the doctors have me pissing proper I'm feeling
great... back to working outdoors ;-)
Good for you. thanks to continuing problems with an idiot t the
local VA clinic, I still can't get the swellings down in my legs enough
to heal the sores.
It is beginning to sound like you should give him similar treatment to
the punk that tried to rob you a few years back. In a slightly
perverted sense the doc is doing something ethically similar.
[/quote:7fcb39f97b]
Its not the doctor's fault. He knows whats wrong, but Congress has
blocked the treament for all Veterans.
--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! |
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| JosephKK... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:04 pm |
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On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:32:35 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote:e80338fe51]
JosephKK wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:01:56 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:59:13 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:34:46 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
krw wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:51:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
krw wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:53:12 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
I've remarked here before... having breakfast in Huntsville,
Alabama... waitress says, "Now eat your grits, Honey"... in a heavy
German accent ;-)
If she had lived there long enough, it would have been: Y'all eat
your grits, Honey"... in a heavy German accent ;-)
In Huntsville it would be "Y'all vill eat zer gritz, or I call
Verner!"
Verner would have needed an AK-47.
AK-47? Verner had missiles. ;-)
Braun vs brains?
Sno-o-o-o-ort! Good play on the language!
I hope you didn't hurt yourself. ;-)
Not any more. Now that the doctors have me pissing proper I'm feeling
great... back to working outdoors ;-)
Good for you. thanks to continuing problems with an idiot t the
local VA clinic, I still can't get the swellings down in my legs enough
to heal the sores.
It is beginning to sound like you should give him similar treatment to
the punk that tried to rob you a few years back. In a slightly
perverted sense the doc is doing something ethically similar.
Its not the doctor's fault. He knows whats wrong, but Congress has
blocked the treament for all Veterans.
[/quote:e80338fe51]
It has mostly been that way since 1975. |
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| Jim Yanik... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:32 am |
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"RogerN" <regor at (no spam) midwest.net> wrote in
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[quote:c772872be5]
"Jim Yanik" <jyanik at (no spam) abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9C3CE577558DEjyanikkuanet at (no spam) 74.209.136.83...
"RogerN" <regor at (no spam) midwest.net> wrote in
news:i5GdnS-1-eu3yNDXnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d at (no spam) earthlink.com:
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I wonder if it would be very good to cross an air rifle with a
Paslode cordless nailer. Use an air/fuel mixture to propel a pellet
instead of pumping air. Seems like a winner if you could get
sufficient velocity that way. If my understanding is correct, the
military propels artillery that way.
RogerN
spud gun or potato cannon.
What do you consider "sufficient" velocity?(and with what mass?)
simple spring lever air rifles already achieve 900-1200 FPS with
4.5mm pellets.(8-12 gr.)
And there's a 9mm air rifle that fires a 77grain lead pellet at 900
FPS,using precharged compressed air cylinders(2800PSI or more.)
That's a pretty good wallop.
I don't believe a .177 or .22 airgun pellet would be enough to
humanely kill a raccoon.Their smaller,lighter pellets lose more KE
downrange.
But using a air-fuel propellant over a certain muzzle velocity puts
you into the "firearm" category,WRT BATF(F-troop),and you don't want
to exceed 0.5" diameter(.50cal) projectiles.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
For example, some of the Gamo air rifles shoot 1200 FPS with "PBA"
pellets. Would that velocity also be possible with fuel/air
combustion? Or the 9mm you mentioned, would 900 FPS also be possible
with fuel/air.
[/quote:c772872be5]
Surely.use enough fuel-air(and a big enough combustion chamber),and you can
get much higher velocities.
After all,black powder is just fuel that already carries it's own O2.
but you run into the same problems that autos have;getting the proper fuel-
air ratio,and you have to purge the combustion chamber after the first
shot(or overfill).
you'd need an intake valve capable of handling the combustion pressure,and
an ignition source.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
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| life imitates life... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:57 am |
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On 3 Jul 2009 12:32:11 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik at (no spam) abuse.gov> wrote:
[quote:fc4dc55fe2]"RogerN" <regor at (no spam) midwest.net> wrote in
news:rbOdnRlyo-XGf9DXnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d at (no spam) earthlink.com:
"Jim Yanik" <jyanik at (no spam) abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9C3CE577558DEjyanikkuanet at (no spam) 74.209.136.83...
"RogerN" <regor at (no spam) midwest.net> wrote in
news:i5GdnS-1-eu3yNDXnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d at (no spam) earthlink.com:
snip
I wonder if it would be very good to cross an air rifle with a
Paslode cordless nailer. Use an air/fuel mixture to propel a pellet
instead of pumping air. Seems like a winner if you could get
sufficient velocity that way. If my understanding is correct, the
military propels artillery that way.
RogerN
spud gun or potato cannon.
What do you consider "sufficient" velocity?(and with what mass?)
simple spring lever air rifles already achieve 900-1200 FPS with
4.5mm pellets.(8-12 gr.)
And there's a 9mm air rifle that fires a 77grain lead pellet at 900
FPS,using precharged compressed air cylinders(2800PSI or more.)
That's a pretty good wallop.
I don't believe a .177 or .22 airgun pellet would be enough to
humanely kill a raccoon.Their smaller,lighter pellets lose more KE
downrange.
But using a air-fuel propellant over a certain muzzle velocity puts
you into the "firearm" category,WRT BATF(F-troop),and you don't want
to exceed 0.5" diameter(.50cal) projectiles.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
For example, some of the Gamo air rifles shoot 1200 FPS with "PBA"
pellets. Would that velocity also be possible with fuel/air
combustion? Or the 9mm you mentioned, would 900 FPS also be possible
with fuel/air.
Surely.use enough fuel-air(and a big enough combustion chamber),and you can
get much higher velocities.
After all,black powder is just fuel that already carries it's own O2.
but you run into the same problems that autos have;getting the proper fuel-
air ratio,and you have to purge the combustion chamber after the first
shot(or overfill).
you'd need an intake valve capable of handling the combustion pressure,and
an ignition source.
[/quote:fc4dc55fe2]
This is easy. You have a large volume 'surge tank'. That is where you
deploy the 'powder actuated pressure spiker' (bullet round without the
bullett). The rounds get fired *into* the surge chamber. The pressure
in the vessel rises, but at an easily manageable rate. Fire rounds until
desired pressure is reached or design the system such that the pressure
is reached with each cycle of firing one round (ideal). The valving
after that is no different than currently used. There would need to be a
system incorporated to manage the debris produced from the combustion
products such that the valve system never sees any of it.. |
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| John B... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:33 pm |
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On 03/07/2009 RogerN wrote:
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[quote:0a7db39b93]I wonder if it would be very good to cross an air rifle with a
Paslode cordless nailer. Use an air/fuel mixture to propel a pellet
instead of pumping air. Seems like a winner if you could get
sufficient velocity that way. If my understanding is correct, the
military propels artillery that way.
RogerN
[/quote:0a7db39b93]
A great idea, but why not go the other way and fire nails. That will
pin the critters to the ground until they can be harvested and disposed
of.
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| Archimedes' Lever... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:21 pm |
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On 03 Jul 2009 20:33:24 GMT, "John B"
<spamj_baraclough at (no spam) blockerzetnet.co.uk> wrote:
[quote:4079c98a10]On 03/07/2009 RogerN wrote:
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I wonder if it would be very good to cross an air rifle with a
Paslode cordless nailer. Use an air/fuel mixture to propel a pellet
instead of pumping air. Seems like a winner if you could get
sufficient velocity that way. If my understanding is correct, the
military propels artillery that way.
RogerN
A great idea, but why not go the other way and fire nails. That will
pin the critters to the ground until they can be harvested and disposed
of.
[/quote:4079c98a10]
Except that it would not 'pin them to the ground'. |
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| Jim Yanik... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:55 pm |
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"John B" <spamj_baraclough at (no spam) blockerzetnet.co.uk> wrote in
news:4a4e6b14$0$17704$4c56ba96 at (no spam) master.news.zetnet.net:
[quote:01fab76fff]On 03/07/2009 RogerN wrote:
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I wonder if it would be very good to cross an air rifle with a
Paslode cordless nailer. Use an air/fuel mixture to propel a pellet
instead of pumping air. Seems like a winner if you could get
sufficient velocity that way. If my understanding is correct, the
military propels artillery that way.
RogerN
A great idea, but why not go the other way and fire nails. That will
pin the critters to the ground until they can be harvested and disposed
of.
[/quote:01fab76fff]
animal cruelty.
Also,many states have laws about what materials can be used for bullets in
"firearms".(there may even be a Federal law on that.)
a nail is iron,and one of the prohibited materials.
it would also tear up the rifling in the barrel.
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