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| Tom Hendricks... |
 Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:20 am |
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[moderator's note: Article originally posted in MIME format, and edited
to flat text by me. Folks, POST IN ASCII. No binaries allowed. - JAH]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep
Wikipedia says
Non-REM sleep may be an anabolic state marked by physiological processes
of growth and rejuvenation of the organism's immune, nervous, muscular,
and skeletal systems (with some exceptions). Wakefulness may perhaps be
viewed as a cyclical, temporary, hyperactive catabolic state during which
the organism acquires nourishment and reproduces."
IF they are reliable in this then that fits nicely in my idea.
Digestion is a daily cycle. There are two parts to the cycle: they are
waking and sleeping.
Waking is catabolic - or the breakdown of food. Wakefulness may perhaps be
viewed as a cyclical, temporary, hyperactive catabolic state during which
h the organism acquires nourishment and reproduces."
Sleeping is anabolic -
Non-REM sleep may be an anabolic state marked by physiological processes
of growth and rejuvenation of the organism's immune, nervous, muscular,
and skeletal systems (with some exceptions)
I also add that there is a 2nd part of sleep marked by REM, that
involves preparation of waste out.
Comments on the catabolic-wake / anabolic-sleep cycle of digestion idea.
Tom Hendricks
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/U/UV_origin_of_life.html (UV paper) |
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| Tom Hendricks / Musea... |
| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:42 am |
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On Jun 5, 11:20=A0am, Tom Hendricks <tom-hendri... at (no spam) att.net> wrote:
[quote:3a0956e6ea][moderator's note: Article originally posted in MIME format, and edited
to flat text by me. Folks, POST IN ASCII. No binaries allowed. - JAH]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep
Wikipedia says
Non-REM sleep may be an anabolic state marked by physiological processes
of growth and rejuvenation of the organism's immune, nervous, muscular,
and skeletal systems (with some exceptions). Wakefulness may perhaps be
viewed as a cyclical, temporary, hyperactive catabolic state during which
the organism acquires nourishment and reproduces."
IF they are reliable in this then that fits nicely in my idea.
Digestion is a daily cycle. There are two parts to the cycle: they are
waking and sleeping.
Waking is catabolic - or the breakdown of food. Wakefulness may perhaps b=
e
viewed as a cyclical, temporary, hyperactive catabolic state during which
h the organism acquires nourishment and reproduces."
Sleeping is anabolic -
Non-REM sleep may be an anabolic state marked by physiological processes
of growth and rejuvenation of the organism's immune, nervous, muscular,
and skeletal systems (with some exceptions)
I also add that there is a 2nd part of sleep marked by REM, that
involves preparation of waste out.
Comments on the catabolic-wake / anabolic-sleep cycle of digestion idea.
Tom Hendrickshttp://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/U/UV_origin_of_lif=
e.html(UV paper)[/quote:3a0956e6ea]
The weekly PARADE magazine, the insert in many Sunday papers, has an
article on sleep and health this weekend.
In relation to the above, I was interested in what ages would need the
most sleep. I would have guessed
that it was those that needed the most anabolic growth and
rejuvenation of the body. Sure enough the chart broke down this way:
Toddlers 12-14 hours of sleep
Preschoolers 11-13
School-age children 10-11
Adolescents 9-10
Adults 7-9
I would also contend that we may be able to break it down into whether
its slow wave NREM sleep or REM sleep.
I suggested that the NREM was for replenishing the body - and would be
most needed by the very young.
The chart seems to suggest that the young need more sleep. Now I
wonder if they need more NREM sleep.
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| Darwin123... |
| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:22 pm |
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[quote:385d40e91c]You can't connect sleep with something (age, in this post), connect
that something with digestion, and then claim that sleep is connected
with digestion.
I think the anabolic, catabolic split is pretty specific though.
It's fairly specific to a biochemist, but you haven't presented[/quote:385d40e91c]
any knowledge of what these process are. Further, you haven't
established the connection with sleep. I think you are trying to
associate the anabolic processes with nonREM sleep and the catabolic
processes with wakefulness. However, you have not provided evidence or
even a hypothesis that these associations exist.
An anabolic process is where big molecules break down. A
catabolic process is where small molecules come together to form
large molecules. You provide no evidence that either type of process
has a cyclic nature during the day. In fact, you haven't even
presented that as a hypothesis. You have provided nothing to test,
even in principle.
Speculating is fine. However, it doesn't sound like you are even
speculating. Your introspection and dreams, from which you said you
obtain some of this, may be uncovering more personal issues than
physiology. If you want to put forward a speculation the rest of us
can appreciate, you have to exhibit a little extrinsic knowledge. Such
as knowing what exactly a biochemist means by anabolic or catabolic. |
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| Tom Hendricks... |
| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:50 pm |
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Here's another article on sleep from
http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-sleep15-2009jun15,0,6989411.story
Here's a quote
"Insomnia seems to be caused by excessive metabolic activity in the
brain's frontal cortex. For deep, refreshing sleep to occur, the
frontal cortex has to rest, said Dr. Eric Nofzinger, a professor of
psychiatry at the University of Pittsburgh.
Research on brain injuries has shown that cooling the brain reduces
metabolic activity. Nofzinger and his colleagues decided to try the
same concept on insomnia by designing a device that gently cools the
frontal cortex during sleep. "
Note the metabolic connection. |
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| Tom Hendricks... |
| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:46 am |
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This is more support for my ideas.
LZ4n1Wp&sig=a-MiMyeo6FERuvggXOFVx_fgMcs&hl=en&ei=eyBIStDVN4ikMOPj9KsB&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1(Page 54)
"Note there is an uptake of colonic motor activities just before
waking. This finding coinciding with the morning sensation of need to
empty the bowels."
This finding fits the idea that the 2nd part of sleep is prepare waste
out. |
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| Tom Hendricks... |
| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:46 am |
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I've suggested that through the child-mother bond during
breastfeeding, a pattern of metabolism is set up that is almost
impossible to change.
I've also suggested that sleep is half of this metabolism cycle with
two distinct periods: NREM or deep sleep, and REM lighter sleep with
many dreams.
NREM, I suggest is for replenishing the body.
REM, I suggest is for preparing waste out.
Now I'd like to go further and suggest that this pattern can have two
problems one with each section of sleep. They are:
1. too little NREM or deep sleep, REM normal -
The child becomes an adult that is most notably THIN. There is a
sense that there is not enough replenishment. The "waste out" option
may be over emphasized.
To resolve the problem the adult needs a new pattern of sleep that
gets more NREM sleep.
2. too little REM or dream sleep, NREM or deep sleep is normal -
The child becomes an adult that is most notably FAT. There is a sense
that too little is being excreted out. The "replenish the body",
option may be over emphasized.
To resolve the problem the adult needs a new pattern of sleep that
gets more REM sleep.
There is no problem with too much deep sleep, and/or too much REM
sleep. The adult just wakes up.
There is a quick way to check this idea. Thin people should have
sleep disorders of too little deep sleep in all cases. Fat people
should have sleep disorders of too little REM sleep in all cases.
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| Tom Hendricks... |
| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:46 am |
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| Tom Hendricks... |
| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:46 am |
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I''ve suggested that NREM sleep is for replenishing the body.
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disorders/sleep_disorders/hic_sleep_basics.aspx
During NREM sleep, the body repairs and regenerates tissues, builds
bone and muscle, and appears to strengthen the immune system. As you
get older, you get less NREM sleep. People under age 30 have about two
hours of restorative sleep every night, while those over 65 might get
only 30 minutes. |
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| Tom Hendricks... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:15 pm |
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If the points in this discussion are true, then we have a clue to
certain chronic diseases.
Sleep = 2 parts
Part one - NREM or the deep sleep, used to replenish the body.
If there is a problem with too little NREM sleep, the body type will
be thin, underweight, and undernourished.
Now I think we can add this = liable to all ailments and diseases of
being undernourished., health problems of being too thin,
psychological problems of being too thin and underweight.
Part two - REM sleep, used to prepare waste out.
If there is a problem with too little REM sleep, the body type will be
fat, overweight, too little waste out.
Now I think we can add this = liable to all ailments and diseases of
not getting all waste out, health problems of being too fat,
psychological problems of being too fat and overweight.
If I am correct, then in every case those who have thin body type
should have trouble with to little NREM sleep, and those who have fat
body type should have trouble with REM sleep. |
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| Tom Hendricks... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:36 pm |
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On Jun 29, 11:46=A0am, Tom Hendricks <tom-hendri... at (no spam) att.net> wrote:
[quote:3bed9dae09]In the previous post, I suggested that REM sleep disorders were
associated with obesity.
Please seehttp://esciencenews.com/dictionary/rem.sleep
[/quote:3bed9dae09]
Here is a study that I found interesting with its look at deep sleep ,
NREM and starvation.
Remember I suggest that NREM problems lead to underweight and thin
body type.
Regarding the effects of starvation on sleep regulation, recent
research in healthy humans and in animals demonstrates that such a
condition results in a fragmentation of sleep and a reduction of slow
wave sleep.
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1087079202001223 |
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| Tom Hendricks... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:36 pm |
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Here is more support. This for lack of REM sleep =3D obesity
http://www.ask.com/bar?q=3DREM+sleep+obesity&page=3D1&qsrc=3D0&ab=3D4&u=3Dh=
ttp%3A%2F%2Flin.ca%2Fresource-details%2F12376
Reuters Health (August 4, 2008 By: JULIE STEENHUYSEN) writes that
studies have shown that children and teens who fail to get the proper
amount of sleep each night are more prone to obesity, and researchers
now think it may be linked to a particular stage of sleep. They said
not spending enough time in rapid eye movement (REM) sleep =96 the kind
normally associated with dreaming =96 significantly increased the odds
of obesity in children and teens. |
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