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| palsing... |
 Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:08 pm |
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On Jul 2, 1:24 pm, oriel36 <kelleher.ger... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:62ce5d2c7b]You can believe what you wish,that is what freedom is all about,I too
am free to believe the Earth turns once in 24 hours and 15 degrees per
hour yet I am alone in that view for many years in this forum and
that is the most disconcerting thing
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We have already gone over this, you are not alone with that view, with
respect to the sun we all agree with you, we all believe the same
thing, so get off your high horse and knock off the disparaging
remarks.
Time to move on to a different frame of reference, where things really
get exciting.
\Paul A |
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| P. Edward Murray... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:08 pm |
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It will probably quiet a few of them down..thinning the ranks. But
probably just as soon as one issue gets solved enough some other sad
soul will invent another conspiracy.... |
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| Chris L Peterson... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:36 pm |
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On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:06:14 -0700 (PDT), "P. Edward Murray"
<p.edwardmurray at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:ef593a3692]It will probably quiet a few of them down..thinning the ranks. But
probably just as soon as one issue gets solved enough some other sad
soul will invent another conspiracy....
[/quote:ef593a3692]
Well, the sort of casual "conspiracy of the month" folks might drift off
to something else. But each of these wacky beliefs has a core group of
disciples, and nothing will change their views. Of course, sometimes
they aren't so wacky at all. Hoagland and his crew are making a lot of
money from books and websites promoting the whole face on Mars
conspiracy. He's probably too smart to actually believe this stuff- he's
just a modern P. T. Barnum, dependent on suckers for his income.
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Cloudbait Observatory
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| Golden California Girls... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:29 pm |
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
[quote:82a9db8ea6]On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:06:14 -0700 (PDT), "P. Edward Murray"
p.edwardmurray at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
It will probably quiet a few of them down..thinning the ranks. But
probably just as soon as one issue gets solved enough some other sad
soul will invent another conspiracy....
Well, the sort of casual "conspiracy of the month" folks might drift off
to something else. But each of these wacky beliefs has a core group of
disciples, and nothing will change their views. Of course, sometimes
they aren't so wacky at all. Hoagland and his crew are making a lot of
money from books and websites promoting the whole face on Mars
conspiracy. He's probably too smart to actually believe this stuff- he's
just a modern P. T. Barnum, dependent on suckers for his income.
[/quote:82a9db8ea6]
Oh, I'm sure of it. Reminds me of a clip I saw on a TV news show some years
back from a "World Renown" ufologist. He explained about these three lights
that flew in perfect formation in the sky as they did zig-zag maneuvers. He was
going on and on while the clip played on a monitor as he talked. Then at one
point the news switched to the clip full screen and not a shot of the monitor.
Then you could see it. The station broadcast the clip with the black level set
correctly to FCC/NTSC standards. There was the wings and fuselage of the
airplane. What the clip was, was a hand held shot through a telephoto lens that
was severely underexposed. Busted. But the news people, bless them and their
ratings, just went on like he was gospel. |
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| Elwood P. Dowd... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:34 pm |
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On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:01:00 -0700, palsing wrote:
[quote:1efa6ce6c9]On Jul 2, 1:24Â pm, oriel36 <kelleher.ger... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
You can believe what you wish,that is what freedom is all about,I too
am free to believe the Earth turns once in 24 hours and 15 degrees per
hour yet I am alone in that view  for many years in this forum  and
that is the most disconcerting thing
We have already gone over this, you are not alone with that view, with
respect to the sun we all agree with you, we all believe the same thing,
so get off your high horse and knock off the disparaging remarks.
Time to move on to a different frame of reference, where things really
get exciting.
\Paul A
[/quote:1efa6ce6c9]
He cannot get off his high horse. He is obsessed with his position. It
will take pharmaceutical intervention to reverse course. I doubt he/she
will allow that.
EPD |
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| Dave Typinski... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:43 pm |
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palsing <palsing at (no spam) harris.com> wrote:
[quote:2255da6439]
On Jul 2, 1:24 pm, oriel36 <kelleher.ger... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
You can believe what you wish,that is what freedom is all about,I too
am free to believe the Earth turns once in 24 hours and 15 degrees per
hour yet I am alone in that view for many years in this forum and
that is the most disconcerting thing
[/quote:2255da6439]
You're right: there's no law against being wrong.
But it /is/ rather poor form to repeat the same error ad nauseam.
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Dave |
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| Dave Typinski... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:46 pm |
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Golden California Girls <gldncagrls at (no spam) aol.com.mil> wrote:
[quote:e22aa2ac81]
Oh, I'm sure of it. Reminds me of a clip I saw on a TV news show some years
back from a "World Renown" ufologist. He explained about these three lights
that flew in perfect formation in the sky as they did zig-zag maneuvers. He was
going on and on while the clip played on a monitor as he talked. Then at one
point the news switched to the clip full screen and not a shot of the monitor.
Then you could see it. The station broadcast the clip with the black level set
correctly to FCC/NTSC standards. There was the wings and fuselage of the
airplane. What the clip was, was a hand held shot through a telephoto lens that
was severely underexposed. Busted. But the news people, bless them and their
ratings, just went on like he was gospel.
[/quote:e22aa2ac81]
Yep. People want to believe, unto desperation.
....which explains a lot of things.
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Dave |
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| Martin Nicholson (NMR)... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:59 pm |
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On 3 July, 10:49, oriel36 <kelleher.ger... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:2011e859fa]
Being on the wrong side of the argument you use words like repetition
and obsession whereas it often surfaces as dedication and tenacity on
the right side of this thing,the very fact that after 6 years ,even
allowing for my own failings,there is still not another person in all
the thousands that visit here that can acknowledge a basic fact for
the independent rotation of the Earth demonstrates just how deep and
wide this problem actually is.- Hide quoted text -
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If none out of thousands has accepted your viewpoints has it ever
crossed you mind that:
a) you are explaining yourself very badly
or
b) you are wrong and the thousands that disagree with you are correct
or
c) posting the same material hundreds of time when a single peer
reviewed article would suffice creates the impression that you are
obsessed |
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| oriel36... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:41 am |
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On Jul 3, 10:59 am, "Martin Nicholson (NMR)"
<martin_piers_nichol... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
[quote:e99594fbcb]On 3 July, 10:49, oriel36 <kelleher.ger... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Being on the wrong side of the argument you use words like repetition
and obsession whereas it often surfaces as dedication and tenacity on
the right side of this thing,the very fact that after 6 years ,even
allowing for my own failings,there is still not another person in all
the thousands that visit here that can acknowledge a basic fact for
the independent rotation of the Earth demonstrates just how deep and
wide this problem actually is.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
If none out of thousands has accepted your viewpoints has it ever
crossed you mind that:
a) you are explaining yourself very badly
or
b) you are wrong and the thousands that disagree with you are correct
or
c) posting the same material hundreds of time when a single peer
reviewed article would suffice creates the impression that you are
obsessed
[/quote:e99594fbcb]
No.the history of astronomy,invention ,investigation and exploration
is behind that simple fact for daily rotation -
http://lewis-clark.org/content/content-article.asp?ArticleID=1268
It takes dedication and that human spirit to bring back to life
something that was almost destroyed over a silly error that happened
in the late 17th century.If the Americans and English want to deny
their own history for the sake of the same astrologers who tried to
diminish the efforts of Harrison in creating the watch that keeps a
constant pace over long periods of time then so be it,the fact that
the Earth turns through 24 901 miles every 24 hours will still exist
no matter what peer review is in existence to deny it.
The catastrophic use of an astrological framework and timekeeping
averages to dictate planetary dynamics is a cautionary lessons insofar
as people now try to model global climate with computers while having
the most primitive understanding of basic astronomical principles
based on planetary dynamics. |
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| Quadibloc... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:18 am |
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On Jul 2, 1:33 pm, Bert Hyman <b... at (no spam) iphouse.com> wrote:
[quote:25e6af3ba2]Any images presented as evidence will be dismissed as more fakes.
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True. But the point isn't so much to cure and shut up the hoax
claimants, it's just so that they won't have the power to confuse a
big chunk of the unsophisticated. There will always be people who will
believe any nutty idea, but they're few in number; the people who can
be fooled when a nutty idea sounds plausible enough are far more
numerous.
John Savard |
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| Peter Webb... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:46 am |
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3 metre wide pixels?
What is the remnants of the LEM going to be? Two or three pixels, a slightly
lighter shade of gray?
If the existence of laser reflectors on the moon doesn't convince them, I
doubt three pixels will. |
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| Chris L Peterson... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:57 am |
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On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:46:45 +1000, "Peter Webb"
<webbfamily at (no spam) DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
[quote:a831bb8920]3 metre wide pixels?
What is the remnants of the LEM going to be? Two or three pixels, a slightly
lighter shade of gray?
[/quote:a831bb8920]
The results that are returned could be a good deal better than you might
expect. If the orbiter takes multiple images crossing the landing areas,
or images on different orbits, they can be combined via the drizzle
algorithm to yield an image with greater resolution than the camera
itself provides. Add in the effects of reflections and shadows, and it
is entirely possible that we'll have enough detail to recognize what we
are seeing as something other than just a few gray pixels. It would be
fun to see that.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com |
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| Michael Toms... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:32 am |
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"Chris L Peterson" <clp at (no spam) alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message
news:8b3s45ds12q3e7b74kcado7slsuigiobki at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote:da303a2682]On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:46:45 +1000, "Peter Webb"
webbfamily at (no spam) DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
3 metre wide pixels?
What is the remnants of the LEM going to be? Two or three pixels, a
slightly
lighter shade of gray?
The results that are returned could be a good deal better than you might
expect. If the orbiter takes multiple images crossing the landing areas,
or images on different orbits, they can be combined via the drizzle
algorithm to yield an image with greater resolution than the camera
itself provides. Add in the effects of reflections and shadows, and it
is entirely possible that we'll have enough detail to recognize what we
are seeing as something other than just a few gray pixels. It would be
fun to see that.
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YES..fun to see that !! |
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| oriel36... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:49 am |
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On Jul 3, 2:57 pm, Chris L Peterson <c... at (no spam) alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
[quote:1b08b604fe]On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:46:45 +1000, "Peter Webb"
webbfam... at (no spam) DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
3 metre wide pixels?
What is the remnants of the LEM going to be? Two or three pixels, a slightly
lighter shade of gray?
The results that are returned could be a good deal better than you might
expect. If the orbiter takes multiple images crossing the landing areas,
or images on different orbits, they can be combined via the drizzle
algorithm to yield an image with greater resolution than the camera
itself provides. Add in the effects of reflections and shadows, and it
is entirely possible that we'll have enough detail to recognize what we
are seeing as something other than just a few gray pixels. It would be
fun to see that.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com
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Here is something that is fun for your pupils if they ever get past
your indoctrination -
http://dl.screenaustralia.gov.au/module/1318/
Still believe the Earth turns through 360 degrees in 'sidereal time'. |
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| oriel36... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:05 pm |
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On Jul 3, 10:13 pm, "Curtis Croulet" <calypte at (no spam) **NO**SPAM**verizon.net>
wrote:
[quote:a2022e4052]Still believe the Earth turns through 360 degrees in 'sidereal time'.
There's nothing in the clip to contradict that it does. Furthermore,
countless astronomers prove it every night.
--
Curtis Croulet
Temecula, California
[/quote:a2022e4052]
There is nobody that will object to you and everyone else here but
a value for rotation other than the rotation of the Earth through 24
901.5 miles in 24 hours or 69.17 miles per degree of rotation is the
astronomical equivalent of denying that men landed on the lunar
surface 40 years ago.It being the 4th of July and the frontier spirit
of Americans,here is another delightful expression of something you
cannot enjoy -
http://lewis-clark.org/content/content-article.asp?ArticleID=1268
From U2 to H4,from Captain Cook to Lewis and Clark and all the
incredible human creative,innovative and investigative spirit helped
along by the great motions of the Earth that make existence
possible,even for people who do their best to ignore it -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty5t7hbjUCQ |
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