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| GreenXenon... |
 Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:42 am |
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Hi:
I posted a similar message to alt.philosophy a couple of days ago but
thought I should include some other relevant NGs in the message. I
apologize profusely if anyone is annoyed by what seems like a
repetition.
I have speculative neuroscience question.
PSTSN = Peripheral Somatic Tactile Sensory Neurons
Tactile = Pertaining only to sense of touch [including temperature,
pressure, pain, etc.]. *Not* including any visual, auditory,
gustatory, olfactory perceptions or any sensations associated with the
sense of balance.
Peripheral = pertaining only to the peripheral nervous system and not
the central nervous system.
Somatic = pertaining only to the somatic nervous system and not the
visceral, autonomic, or enteric nervous systems
Let’s say a mysterious entity decides to stimulate all the PSTSNs all
in my body to the maximum extent possible [in terms of extent to which
a neuron is stimulated, how many neurons per area are stimulated, and
during of stimulating] – without damaging any part of the body
[including the PSTSNs] or overloading the rest of the nervous system.
The rest of the nervous system [and my body] are not directly affected
by the mystical entity itself. However, the extreme excitations of
PSTSNs most likely will affect the rest of my body.
What symptoms will I experience as a result of this extreme PSTSN
excitement?
The stimulation I speak of is marked by depolarization of the PSTSNs.
When a neuron is stimulated, it depolarizes. When relaxed, it
hyperpolarizes.
As to what symptoms I’d experience, my guess is that I would feel some
weird sensations throughout the body. Somatic reflexes to this
aberrant tactile stimulus would likely cause the muscles in my arms
and legs to contract. Do I guess right? Would anything else happen to
me? Anything dangerous?
Remember that odd feeling you get when your legs wake up after falling
asleep? This sensation can get painful with any movement. When the
legs fall asleep they get numb and tingly. When they wake up, they
become painfully sensitive to any movement. This usually lasts for
half a minute. This weird painful sensation forces me to stay in place
because with any movement I feel the flash of shock-like vibratory
pain.
So I'm guessing I'd feel a similar weird sensation if [increased
exponentially in intensity] if all my PSTSNs are stimulated.
My question is, what non-tactile affects would this massive PSTSN-
excitement have on the rest of nervous? That is what interests me the
most.
In some cases, PSTSN-stimulation can cause involuntary movements --
such as pulling your hand away from a hot saucepan even before you
feel the sharp burning pain.
I'm more interested in the effects my extreme PSTSN-excitation would
have on the central nervous system as well as the autonomic nervous
system.
I believe the massive PSTSN-excitation might directly cause
unconsciousness by affecting the reticular activating system. Also,
the PSTSN-stimulating might stop my heart. Do I guess right?
Quote from
http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:ziuTpWWP9_oJ:www.internetarmory.com/self_defense.htm+%22pain+impulses%22+site:www.internetarmory.com/self_defense.htm&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1
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"It is speculated that various organs of the body can send pain
impulses to the brain stem indicating a severe or overwhelming bodily
injury. The reticular activating system responds by producing a
functional "shut down", which results in loss of consciousness within
a second or two."
The above statement suggests that extreme tactile stimulation has a
direct affect on the parts of the brain dealing with consciousness --
leading to a coma.
Also, such extreme PSTSN-excitation might be viewed by the rest of the
nervous system as a severe injury as cause the release of numbing
endorphins.
My psyche might view the massive PSTSN-excitation as a traumatic event
and cause my mind to get blank and not remember the experience at all
-- even if I survive and don't lose consciousness. It is common for
victims of psychologically-scarring events not to remember those
events. The mind involuntarily shuts-off access to the traumatic
memories. This happens in victims of structure fires, child
molestation, prisoners of war, or even being in war itself ["shell
shock"] -- and pretty much any event that would cause extreme
intensity of emotion.
The PSTSN-excitation might also cause a lethal vasovagal response in
which:
1. The overall relaxation of the heart muscles increases
2. The overall "un-relaxations" [including contractions] of the heart
muscles decrease
3. The heart rate and pulse slow
4. Blood vessels around the body dilate
All 4 combined can cause a fatal drop in blood pressure
There is also a chance that that PSTSN-excitation might cause
voluntary muscles to relax, leading to paralysis -- something like a
psychogenic loss of motor tone.
Are my above guesses right?
Thanks |
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"GreenXenon" <glucegen1x at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:149bba9b-0090-4660-a4a9-ee3847533a2a at (no spam) p21g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
Hi:
I posted a similar message to alt.philosophy a couple of days ago but
thought I should include some other relevant NGs in the message. I
apologize profusely if anyone is annoyed by what seems like a
repetition.
I have speculative neuroscience question.
PSTSN = Peripheral Somatic Tactile Sensory Neurons
Tactile = Pertaining only to sense of touch [including temperature,
pressure, pain, etc.]. *Not* including any visual, auditory,
gustatory, olfactory perceptions or any sensations associated with the
sense of balance.
Peripheral = pertaining only to the peripheral nervous system and not
the central nervous system.
Somatic = pertaining only to the somatic nervous system and not the
visceral, autonomic, or enteric nervous systems
Let's say a mysterious entity decides to stimulate all the PSTSNs all
in my body to the maximum extent possible [in terms of extent to which
a neuron is stimulated, how many neurons per area are stimulated, and
during of stimulating] - without damaging any part of the body
[including the PSTSNs] or overloading the rest of the nervous system.
The rest of the nervous system [and my body] are not directly affected
by the mystical entity itself. However, the extreme excitations of
PSTSNs most likely will affect the rest of my body.
What symptoms will I experience as a result of this extreme PSTSN
excitement?
The stimulation I speak of is marked by depolarization of the PSTSNs.
When a neuron is stimulated, it depolarizes. When relaxed, it
hyperpolarizes.
As to what symptoms I'd experience, my guess is that I would feel some
weird sensations throughout the body. Somatic reflexes to this
aberrant tactile stimulus would likely cause the muscles in my arms
and legs to contract. Do I guess right? Would anything else happen to
me? Anything dangerous?
Remember that odd feeling you get when your legs wake up after falling
asleep? This sensation can get painful with any movement. When the
legs fall asleep they get numb and tingly. When they wake up, they
become painfully sensitive to any movement. This usually lasts for
half a minute. This weird painful sensation forces me to stay in place
because with any movement I feel the flash of shock-like vibratory
pain.
So I'm guessing I'd feel a similar weird sensation if [increased
exponentially in intensity] if all my PSTSNs are stimulated.
My question is, what non-tactile affects would this massive PSTSN-
excitement have on the rest of nervous? That is what interests me the
most.
In some cases, PSTSN-stimulation can cause involuntary movements --
such as pulling your hand away from a hot saucepan even before you
feel the sharp burning pain.
I'm more interested in the effects my extreme PSTSN-excitation would
have on the central nervous system as well as the autonomic nervous
system.
I believe the massive PSTSN-excitation might directly cause
unconsciousness by affecting the reticular activating system. Also,
the PSTSN-stimulating might stop my heart. Do I guess right?
Quote from
http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:ziuTpWWP9_oJ:www.internetarmory.com/self_defense.htm+%22pain+impulses%22+site:www.internetarmory.com/self_defense.htm&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1
:
"It is speculated that various organs of the body can send pain
impulses to the brain stem indicating a severe or overwhelming bodily
injury. The reticular activating system responds by producing a
functional "shut down", which results in loss of consciousness within
a second or two."
The above statement suggests that extreme tactile stimulation has a
direct affect on the parts of the brain dealing with consciousness --
leading to a coma.
Also, such extreme PSTSN-excitation might be viewed by the rest of the
nervous system as a severe injury as cause the release of numbing
endorphins.
My psyche might view the massive PSTSN-excitation as a traumatic event
and cause my mind to get blank and not remember the experience at all
-- even if I survive and don't lose consciousness. It is common for
victims of psychologically-scarring events not to remember those
events. The mind involuntarily shuts-off access to the traumatic
memories. This happens in victims of structure fires, child
molestation, prisoners of war, or even being in war itself ["shell
shock"] -- and pretty much any event that would cause extreme
intensity of emotion.
The PSTSN-excitation might also cause a lethal vasovagal response in
which:
1. The overall relaxation of the heart muscles increases
2. The overall "un-relaxations" [including contractions] of the heart
muscles decrease
3. The heart rate and pulse slow
4. Blood vessels around the body dilate
All 4 combined can cause a fatal drop in blood pressure
There is also a chance that that PSTSN-excitation might cause
voluntary muscles to relax, leading to paralysis -- something like a
psychogenic loss of motor tone.
Are my above guesses right?
Thanks
You never had I chance to be told not to thank me in advance so here is my
comment:
Although I feel under threat of intellectual over-stimulation by your post,
I would like to point out to you that the organization of our peripheral
receptors are 'forced' [that is, "forced" as a consequence of the naturally
selective lifetime-specific interactions/challenges/outcomes within the
populations of our phylogeny] to fit-in within an "Actention" Selection
Serving neuro(glandular)muscular System - an "ASSS" that serves the sake of
survival).
[Apropos "Actention":
Actention is, or should be, a self-explanatory enough word-amalgam. I use it
for referring, by help of realistically smudged yet smooth and sophisticated
semantics, to not JUST 'subjective' focuses (or ditto "paying" - in the
currency of limited internal quantities of vital metabolic resources) of
"attention". That is, actention is a hybrid of on one hand "action" or
"activity (i.e. anatomically distributed temporal patterns of mainly, but
not necessarily only, neural activity) and on the other hand the word
"attention". I use actention in order to more explicitly and insistently
(than if I had used "attention") convey that I am not JUST referring to
covertly cognitive and/or felt forms (and corresponding modes and/or
"levels") of "ConsciousnessT"{this commonly very crummily
defined/meant/understood concept is here used (meant and flagged) in an EPT
(~=Exceptionally Perfectly Tweaked) sense and manner}.]
Hence, you must NEVER CEASE (though you would be excuse if you have serious
and relevant bacterial or viral disease ;}) to take into account the crucial
(vitally important) role of inhibitory interneurons and their "gating"
function within your (and my and every other neuromuscular animal's) ASSS.
[End of concerned comment.]
Bye and fare well!
%-]
P.S.
I don't really care if you forget about the to me far less interesting to
consider 'intra-neuronal' gating mechanisms - by which I am referring to
"habituation" (meant in the sense of the mere exhaustion of the metabolizing
molecular mechanisms behind neurons' firing). |
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