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| orange... |
 Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:19 am |
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well I've done it, I apparently overexposed the EPROM (27c400) by UV
lamp. (now I know there is such thing)
is there any way to repair it or should I just throw it away?
I'm using Willem programmer ver3 with 12V power supply. |
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| orange... |
| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:55 am |
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On Aug 2, 5:10 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati... at (no spam) hotmail.com>
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Quote: orange wrote:
well I've done it, I apparently overexposed the EPROM (27c400) by UV
lamp. (now I know there is such thing)
How long did you give it ?
Graham
I think about 4(min) (the scale is not labeled it goes from 1 to 10).
but I have exposed it twice in succession. the window was dirty and I
wasn't aware of the danger. |
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| Eeyore... |
| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:10 am |
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orange wrote:
Quote: well I've done it, I apparently overexposed the EPROM (27c400) by UV
lamp. (now I know there is such thing)
How long did you give it ?
Graham |
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| Eeyore... |
| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:02 am |
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orange wrote:
Quote: On Aug 2, 5:10 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati... at (no spam) hotmail.com
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orange wrote:
well I've done it, I apparently overexposed the EPROM (27c400) by UV
lamp. (now I know there is such thing)
How long did you give it ?
Graham
I think about 4(min) (the scale is not labeled it goes from 1 to 10).
but I have exposed it twice in succession. the window was dirty and I
wasn't aware of the danger.
8 mins isn't going to break it by miles. I bet it's barely erased it.
Does it blank check ok ?
I used 30 mins as a typical erasure time. If in doubt an hour won't hurt.
Graham
p.s. if you can find a suitable programmer (see ebay) flash is SO much
better. |
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| orange... |
| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:14 am |
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On Aug 2, 6:02 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati... at (no spam) hotmail.com>
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Quote: orange wrote:
On Aug 2, 5:10 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati... at (no spam) hotmail.com
wrote:
orange wrote:
well I've done it, I apparently overexposed the EPROM (27c400) by UV
lamp. (now I know there is such thing)
How long did you give it ?
Graham
I think about 4(min) (the scale is not labeled it goes from 1 to 10).
but I have exposed it twice in succession. the window was dirty and I
wasn't aware of the danger.
8 mins isn't going to break it by miles. I bet it's barely erased it.
Does it blank check ok ?
well that is the problem, its ALWAYS blank, full of FFFFFF..
it doesn't even start programming..
BTW, I've got another EPROM that programs ok, but fails to verify.
strange thing is that when I read it and save it to file, that file is
the same as original, no errors. But willem still fails to verify it..
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I used 30 mins as a typical erasure time. If in doubt an hour won't hurt.
they say here to increase it every minute:
http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/How_EPROMS_Work#Erasing_an_EPROM
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Graham
p.s. if you can find a suitable programmer (see ebay) flash is SO much
better. |
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| Eeyore... |
| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:35 pm |
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orange wrote:
Quote: Eeyore wrote:
orange wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
orange wrote:
well I've done it, I apparently overexposed the EPROM (27c400) by UV
lamp. (now I know there is such thing)
How long did you give it ?
Graham
I think about 4(min) (the scale is not labeled it goes from 1 to 10).
but I have exposed it twice in succession. the window was dirty and I
wasn't aware of the danger.
8 mins isn't going to break it by miles. I bet it's barely erased it.
Does it blank check ok ?
well that is the problem, its ALWAYS blank, full of FFFFFF..
it doesn't even start programming..
Is the programmer reading it right ?
Quote: BTW, I've got another EPROM that programs ok, but fails to verify.
strange thing is that when I read it and save it to file, that file is
the same as original, no errors. But willem still fails to verify it..
Home built Willem ? I've only ever used commercial programmers and had no
problems. Sometimes an Eprom will go 'bad' (rarely). Chuck it.
Not an especially useful site. Try a manufacturer's app note if you can still
find one.
Graham |
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| orange... |
| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:21 am |
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On Aug 3, 12:27 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati... at (no spam) hotmail.com>
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Quote: gcd wrote:
fom the replies - sounds more like you may have a flakey programmer, or you
tried to program it with the wrong algorithm and put 21v on a 12.5v
programming line.
Oh yes, that'll kill it nicely. Early 12V Eproms only had the voltage printed
on the package rather than a different part number.
Graham
but, the thing is, I managed to program two other chips with same
setup and they verified OK, and also work fine.
the only difference is that those 'good' eproms are 120ns and the bad
ones are 150ns.
they were all bought second hand, and only god knows how many times
rewritten.
all chips can be read with no problem.
yes, the willem is home built, but looks pro.. |
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| gcd... |
| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:16 am |
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fom the replies - sounds more like you may have a flakey programmer, or you
tried to program it with the wrong algorithm and put 21v on a 12.5v
programming line.
Greg
"orange" <orange47 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7892da14-676c-45f9-a973-cf55c99f2036 at (no spam) d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Quote: well I've done it, I apparently overexposed the EPROM (27c400) by UV
lamp. (now I know there is such thing)
is there any way to repair it or should I just throw it away?
I'm using Willem programmer ver3 with 12V power supply. |
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| Eeyore... |
| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:27 am |
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gcd wrote:
Quote: fom the replies - sounds more like you may have a flakey programmer, or you
tried to program it with the wrong algorithm and put 21v on a 12.5v
programming line.
Oh yes, that'll kill it nicely. Early 12V Eproms only had the voltage printed
on the package rather than a different part number.
Graham |
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| Eeyore... |
| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:00 pm |
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orange wrote:
Quote: On Aug 3, 12:27 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati... at (no spam) hotmail.com
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gcd wrote:
fom the replies - sounds more like you may have a flakey programmer, or you
tried to program it with the wrong algorithm and put 21v on a 12.5v
programming line.
Oh yes, that'll kill it nicely. Early 12V Eproms only had the voltage printed
on the package rather than a different part number.
Graham
but, the thing is, I managed to program two other chips with same
setup and they verified OK, and also work fine.
the only difference is that those 'good' eproms are 120ns and the bad
ones are 150ns.
they were all bought second hand, and only god knows how many times
rewritten.
all chips can be read with no problem.
yes, the willem is home built, but looks pro..
Did the 150ns Eproms EVER work ? Either in the programmer or target system ?
Graham |
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| Robert Baer... |
| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:42 pm |
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Eeyore wrote:
Quote:
gcd wrote:
fom the replies - sounds more like you may have a flakey programmer, or you
tried to program it with the wrong algorithm and put 21v on a 12.5v
programming line.
Oh yes, that'll kill it nicely. Early 12V Eproms only had the voltage printed
on the package rather than a different part number.
Graham
....and for some, the "A" version was the lower programming voltage part. |
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