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 Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 5:36 pm |
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Preamble
"As Individual Human Beings of the World, we hereby declare our freedom
from all organizations operating by "initiatory physical force", and
pledge our support of voluntary means to serve our Individual Rights and
Collective Needs everywhere."
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| tooly |
| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 12:14 am |
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<Triaka@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Quote: Preamble
"As Individual Human Beings of the World, we hereby declare our freedom
from all organizations operating by "initiatory physical force", and
pledge our support of voluntary means to serve our Individual Rights and
Collective Needs everywhere."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uniteddiversity
So, if this means we go to communism, I can stay home and not work and the
people will just send me a weekly check, right? I mean, no coersion...right?
I always thought communism might be a good thing if I could just opt out and
not work at all. I don't want to work. I don't want to be around people in
the workplace. Lot of misery there. Sweat, dirt...nasty and all you see.
Or else boring sitting at a desk watching the clock tick away while not
allowing my boss catch me surfing the internet. Just send me my 'share' of
the "collective" production while I stay at home...I'll be fine. |
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| Miller |
| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 8:28 am |
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<Triaka@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Quote: Preamble
"As Individual Human Beings of the World, we hereby declare our freedom
from all organizations operating by "initiatory physical force", and
pledge our support of voluntary means to serve our Individual Rights and
Collective Needs everywhere."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uniteddiversity
Yikes! "Initiary physical force"? Is your idea that if a unitary military
operation is being planned, it will never happen because of the endless
arguments over the meaning of this term?
The US had a collective need--in fact it could be argued simply that the
world has a collective need--to stop terrorism, as it certainly would
abridge anyone's individual right to not being blown up along with a
starnger for no good reason. Because of this, the US intiated the Iraqi
War. It could even be argued that Sadam actually intiated it (he may have
had WMD, called us bad names, etc.), and we were just defending ourselves.
Any sort of global declaration (and support) of human rights is going to be
very, very complicated. There is no international final authority, such as
the Supreme Court for the US Constitution, that can serve as a final
arbitrer is cases of dispute. In fatc there are many, many UN resolutions
that countries either ignore or declare invalid for some legaliztic reason
(the US is good at doing both). The world is not going to be made a safer
place for Individual Human Beings by issuing declarations and utopian ideas
about world government. Its not going to happen anytime soon. In the
meantime, we have to find ways to make us not want to hurt each other in
spite of our differences.
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| Immortalist |
| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 2:37 pm |
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"tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
Triaka@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:9936-3FE7B837-477@storefull-3153.bay.webtv.net...
Preamble
"As Individual Human Beings of the World, we hereby declare our freedom
from all organizations operating by "initiatory physical force", and
pledge our support of voluntary means to serve our Individual Rights and
Collective Needs everywhere."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uniteddiversity
So, if this means we go to communism, I can stay home and not work and the
people will just send me a weekly check, right?
Thats AmeriKan socialism my man, you know in the USSR they used to send the
lazy ones to their death in Siberia at the hardest labor imaginable. There
is no laziness in the ideal totalitarian state.
Quote: I mean, no coersion...right?
I always thought communism might be a good thing if I could just opt out
and
not work at all. I don't want to work. I don't want to be around people
in
the workplace. Lot of misery there. Sweat, dirt...nasty and all you see.
Or else boring sitting at a desk watching the clock tick away while not
allowing my boss catch me surfing the internet. Just send me my 'share'
of
the "collective" production while I stay at home...I'll be fine.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 3:52 pm |
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Preconditioning has obviously left some folks here unable or unwilling
to consider a new paradigm "honoring individuality and acting
collectively". No government in the world today balances "individual
rights" as proposed here with the appropriate affirmation - "I am not
others' (state) property to be taxed, used, or subjugated against my
free choice" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uniteddiversity |
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| Immortalist |
| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 2:03 pm |
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<Triaka@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Quote: Preconditioning has obviously left some folks here unable or unwilling
to consider a new paradigm "honoring individuality and acting
collectively". No government in the world today balances "individual
rights" as proposed here with the appropriate affirmation - "I am not
others' (state) property to be taxed, used, or subjugated against my
free choice" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uniteddiversity
If you ride into oncoming traffic in the wrong lane, your ass is mine if its
in front of me, head on colision baby, the law. But I don't claim to own
you, its a mutual accident of regulated freedom by forces of necessity and
its traffic. |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 5:34 pm |
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Besides human law, there are natural cosmic laws of the universe. Until
humans choose to be guided by the superior laws of the cosmos (gravity
is an example), they will continue the foolishness of unbalanced
political systems. |
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