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| Taka... |
 Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:56 pm |
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Just saw the movie called "HIV=AIDS: Fact Or Fraud" and they present
quite compelling evidence against the HIV-viral theory. Moreover it
reveals the massive genocide enforced by the medical establishment and
drug companies which actually induces AIDS by feeding the toxic drugs
like AZT to combat HIV which in fact does no harm. Quite a violation
of the scientific method.
Even more interesting and of practical use is the information what
actually may be causing AIDS. As No.1 they present the use of
nitrites (poppers) to increase NO production in the body which is
immunosuppressive and may be killing the T-cells. I will look into
this deeper but it seems that NO triggers AA release and
metabolisation especially in the presence of glucose (PMID: 7797462).
Excessive AA signaling may be killing the T-cells by overstimulation
like e.g. glutamate is killing the brain cells (MSG). Other narcotics
may have similar effects so I see why Obama doesn't want to let
Afghanistan go ...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8142733917997460212&hl=en
http://www.hiv-aids-factorfraud.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppers |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:29 am |
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On Jul 27, 7:17 am, David <david.spro... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: http://www.physics.smu.edu/pseudo/AIDS/
I especially find fascinating his theories on the motivations of AIDS
Denialists:
"What is their motivation?
This is a difficult question. I have no idea what drives irrational
beliefs. Here are some conjectures:
* Perhaps the AIDS deniers are racist. Most of the lives lost to
this nonsense were in Africa. The president of South Africa, Thabo
Mbeki, was for years influenced by the AIDS deniers before adopting
the scientific view. Maybe the AIDS deniers want to maximize the death
toll in Africa.
* Perhaps the AIDS deniers are homophobic. Their policies may be
crafted to kill as many homosexuals as possible.
* Perhaps the AIDS deniers are religious fundamentalists. They may
believe that AIDS is God's just punishment for recreational drug use,
homosexual intercourse, illicit sex, etc., and scientists should not
intervene in God's plan.
* Perhaps the AIDS deniers are hoaxers. They don't really believe
what they preach; they just want to see how many people they can fool,
how many scientists they can irritate, and how many times they can get
their names on the web.
* Perhaps the AIDS deniers are eugenicists. They may be trying to
improve humanity by ridding the planet of the most gullible people,
the very folks who take their advice."
Perhaps all of the above. How incredibly bizarre. I think most of it
is caused by a religious cult mentality. I think the American
Psychological Association should add these people to their list of
mental illnesses. Religious Cult Lunatic Fringe Frenzy Syndrome
(RCLFFS)...LOL! Well hey, these are the same people that believe that
the Earth and the entire Universe are only 6,000 years old. If you can
be made to believe that, you can be made to believe, say, or do just
about anything. It is downright scary! I hope they find a cure......or
at least a pill or something that they can take. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:35 am |
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The subject line poses a question that can be answered by science. All we
need do is have those who are in doubt accept injections of hiv and
observe the results. |
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| Taka... |
| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:24 pm |
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On Jul 28, 1:35 am, ferr... at (no spam) ironcity.com wrote:
Quote: The subject line poses a question that can be answered by science. All we
need do is have those who are in doubt accept injections of hiv and
observe the results.
It has been already done - mentioned in the other movie entitled "The
Other Side of AIDS":
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-266890172132861595&hl=en
http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/video/
or:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Willner
and not all given a HIV positive blood get AIDS:
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20080714062156521C612049
and of course there is the man who defeated HIV:
The man who might hold the secret to defeating Aids
The man who may hold the key to a cure for Aids was urged by doctors
last night to come forward for the sake of millions of virus carriers
worldwide.
The case of Andrew Stimpson, 25, who was diagnosed as HIV-positive in
2002 but found to be clear of the virus in 2003, has stunned the
medical world. If doctors can establish why this happened, without
treatment, it could benefit the 34.9 million virus carriers worldwide.
But Chelsea and Westminster Healthcare NHS Trust, which carried out
the initial diagnosis tests, said Mr Stimpson has so far declined to
undergo further tests with it.
A spokeswoman for the Trust said: "I can confirm that he has a
positive and a negative test.
"When we became aware of his HIV-negative result we offered him
further tests to help us investigate and find an explanation. So far
he has declined to do so."
Mr Stimpson subsequently tried to sue the hospital, believing his
initial positive test was inaccurate. But he was told there was no
case to answer because both tests were correct. The Trust spokeswoman
insisted there was no chance a mistake had crept into the testing
system.
Mr Stimpson told the Mail on Sunday: "My doctor said 'you've cured
yourself, you're fantastic'."
"I can't help wondering if I hold the cure for Aids. There are 34.9
million people with HIV and if I have something to contribute, then I
am willing and ready to help."
The Scotsman, 25, who moved from the Ayrshire village of Skelmorlie,
near Largs, to London four years ago, did not take any medication for
HIV.
Genevieve Clark, the director of communications at the Terence Higgins
Trust, said: "For this to happen is unheard of. We are not aware of
any similar cases in the UK.
"The news is potentially remarkable but raises a lot of questions.
There needs to be a thorough, scientific investigation to find out
exactly what has happened.
"The fact that the hospital doctors are keen to do more tests shows it
is early days. It could be a major breakthrough but we are keen to
know more."
Mr Stimpson, who works as a sandwich maker, caught the virus from his
long-term partner, Juan Gomez, 44, who has been HIV positive for some
years.
Mr Stimpson felt tired, weak and feverish in May 2002. He had three
blood tests at the Victoria Clinic for Sexual Health in west London,
which specialises in HIV.
At first they were all negative, but Andrew was told the virus takes
three months to show up in the blood after contraction.
And when he returned for more tests in August, they found HIV anti-
bodies in his body.
Mr Stimpson said he became depressed and suicidal after being told he
was HIV-positive but remained well and did not require medication.
"One thing I decided early on was I never wanted to see the HIV
through to Aids. I was having nightmares about being in intensive
care, hooked up to tubes and covered in lesions.
"It got so bad that I began researching euthanasia as a possible way
out."
In the months following the diagnosis, Mr Stimpson complained of
feverishness and other flu symptoms. But his doctors told him his body
was "controlling" the virus well and that his immune system remained
strong.
However, in October 2003 during a routine appointment at the Victoria
Clinic, a doctor suggested a more sensitive test to check his viral
load. It came back negative. Three more tests came back the same.
"There was a massive relief but I was also deeply confused," said Mr
Stimpson. "And the doctors seemed as confused as me. I thought the
first positive tests must have been wrong." But an investigation by
the trust claimed otherwise.
Dr Patrick Dixon, an expert from Acet, an international Aids group,
said the case was "very, very unusual. I've come across many anecdotal
reports of this kind of thing happening in Africa, some quite
recently, but it's difficult to verify them," he said.
"You have to be rock-solid sure that both samples came from the same
person, no mix-up in the laboratory, no mistakes in the testing. This
is the first well-documented case."
The case was important because "inside his immune system is perhaps a
key that could allow us to develop some kind of vaccine".
The news will bring hope to millions dying of Aids who could benefit
if medical scientists discover how Mr Stimpson's medical status
changed.
Lisa Power, the policy director at the Terence Higgins Trust, said:
"This could be of major interest to HIV researchers. We need to find
out precisely what's happened with this person."
SOURCE:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/the-man-who-might-hold-the-secret-to-defeating-aids-515194.html
British Person Cured Of HIV - The first case ever
become the first person to be cured of the HIV virus.
Three years ago, Andrew Stimpson was diagnosed as being infected with
HIV, but the tests he underwent 14 months later showed that he no
longer had it.
The doctors said that this first case of "spontaneous clearing" might
provide them with valuable information regarding the evolution of the
virus and the possible treatment methods for AIDS.
Andrew Stimpson agreed to take supplementary tests in order to find
out what led to this spectacular change.
A spokeswoman for the Chelsea and Westminster trust confirmed
yesterday that Mr Stimpson had an HIV-positive diagnosis, followed by
a negative test and she outlined the testing device’s accuracy.
"Those tests are both accurate, the positive and a negative; they are
correct", she said.
"I can't help wondering if I hold the cure for Aids. It is scary and
confusing but makes me feel very special", Andrew Stimpson told a
British newspaper.
"That is unbelievable. I think I am the luckiest person alive", he
added.
SOURCE: http://news.softpedia.com/news/British-Person-Cured-Of-HIV-12326.shtml
See also:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4432564.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Stimpson |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:05 pm |
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Quote: The subject line poses a question that can be answered by science. All
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Quote: need do is have those who are in doubt accept injections of hiv and
observe the results.
"It has been already done - mentioned in the other movie entitled "The"
Because of the way I use the internet I can't run videos.
Instead of the film it would be better to read the studies done.
Abstracts of them should be on pubmed and I have access to many full
journal articles online. If you please, what are the references.
"and not all given a HIV positive blood get AIDS:"
Not all who get it in all the usual other ways get aids either. I haven't
looked at it recently but some years ago it was found those who carry a
certain gene(s) don't go from hiv to aids. That gene was also discovered
to have been found in populations who survived the plagues of the middle
ages. The thinking was that an immunity that also happens to defend one
with hiv goes with that gene. I might poke about some to see the status
of that research.
"and of course there is the man who defeated HIV:"
The man in question declined further study to determine what happened in
his case. As in the gene bit above some builtin genetic facility could be
involved, perhaps even some variation of that gene above.
You must know of the bell curve in living systems. Someone has to be on
the extreme tails of how one responds to the hiv virus. But the most
important thing to consider is the fat middle of the bellcurve describes
well the vast majority of those who have hiv and proceed to aids. Those
on the oppisite tail then those above develope the aids related disorders
and soon die even with all the drug help now available. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:14 pm |
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On Jul 28, 11:05 am, ferr... at (no spam) ironcity.com wrote:
Quote: The subject line poses a question that can be answered by science. All
w> e
need do is have those who are in doubt accept injections of hiv and
observe the results.
"It has been already done - mentioned in the other movie entitled "The"
Because of the way I use the internet I can't run videos.
Instead of the film it would be better to read the studies done.
Abstracts of them should be on pubmed and I have access to many full
journal articles online. If you please, what are the references.
Not all studies make it up to the Medline and some controversial
results which go against the current dogma are especially difficult to
publish ...
Quote: "and not all given a HIV positive blood get AIDS:"
Not all who get it in all the usual other ways get aids either. I haven't
looked at it recently but some years ago it was found those who carry a
certain gene(s) don't go from hiv to aids. That gene was also discovered
to have been found in populations who survived the plagues of the middle
ages. The thinking was that an immunity that also happens to defend one
with hiv goes with that gene. I might poke about some to see the status
of that research.
You are right, here are the recent studies:
Infect Genet Evol. 2008 Mar;8(2):146-51. Epub 2007 Nov 19.
HIV-1 protecting CCR5-Delta32 allele in medieval Poland.
Zawicki P, Witas HW.
Department of Molecular Biology, Chair of Oncology, Medical University
of £ód¼, £ód¼, Poland.
CCR5-Delta32 is the mutation in the chemokine receptor CCR5 that gives
its homozygous carriers nearly complete protections from HIV-1
infection. Restricted almost exclusively to Europe, the mutation is
thought to have originated in the continent and risen in frequency to
the present-day value of approximately 10% due to a selective
advantage it gave its carriers. The mutation bearing allele was
initially calculated to be approximately 1000 years old and pandemic
diseases, such as Bubonic Plague or smallpox were postulated to have
selected it. However, new reports appear, that question these
hypotheses. Data from ancient DNA (aDNA) studies prove the mutation to
be much older, as suggested by calculations based on newer genetic
maps. In order to investigate if the plagues of the last millennium
selected the allele, and add to the discussion on CCR5-Delta32 origin
and age, we searched for the mutation in aDNA isolated from
individuals whose skeletal remains were collected at archaeological
sites in Poland, dated back to 11-14th centuries. The calculated mean
frequency of the allele in medieval Poland (5.06% as compared to
contemporary 10.26%), implies its longer than previously believed
presence in European populations, and suggests that historic pandemics
had little effect on its present-day frequency.
PMID: 18162443
PLoS ONE. 2008 Jul 23;3(7):e2747.
CCR5Delta32 genotypes in a German HIV-1 seroconverter cohort and
report of HIV-1 infection in a CCR5Delta32 homozygous individual.
Oh DY, Jessen H, Kücherer C, Neumann K, Oh N, Poggensee G, Bartmeyer
B, Jessen A, Pruss A, Schumann RR, Hamouda O.
Institute of Microbiology and Hygiene, Charité University Medical
Center, Berlin, Germany.
BACKGROUND: Homozygosity (Delta32/Delta32) for the 32 bp deletion in
the chemokine receptor 5 (CCR5) gene is associated with strong
resistance against HIV infection. Heterozygosity is associated with
protection of HIV-1 disease progression. METHODOLOGY/PRINCIPAL
FINDINGS: We genotyped a population of 737 HIV-positive adults and 463
healthy controls for the CCR5Delta32 deletion and found heterozygous
frequencies of 16.2% (HIV-negative) and 17.5% (HIV-positive) among
Caucasian individuals. Analysis of CCR5Delta32 influence on disease
progression showed notably lower viral setpoints and a longer time to
a CD4 count of <200 microl(-1) in seroconverters heterozygous for the
deletion. Furthermore, we identified one HIV-positive man homozygous
for the Delta32 deletion. CONCLUSIONS/SIGNIFICANCE: The protective
effect of CCR5 Delta32 heterozygosity is confirmed in a large cohort
of German seroconverters. The HIV-infected CCR5 Delta32 homozygous
individual, however, displays extremely rapid disease progression.
This is the 12th case of HIV-infection in this genotype described
worldwide.
PMID: 18648518
But unfortunately, this allele gives you also cervical cancer (PMID:
18543610), rheumaty (PMID: 18189189), gallbladder cancer (PMID:
18405329) and other inflammatory diseases (PMID: 17672867) so the HIV-
free life wouldn't be much long and pleasant :-(
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:05 pm |
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Taka <taka0038 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: ferr... at (no spam) ironcity.com wrote:
The subject line poses a question that can be answered by science. All we
need do is have those who are in doubt accept injections of hiv and
observe the results.
The case of Andrew Stimpson, 25, who was diagnosed as HIV-positive in
2002 but found to be clear of the virus in 2003, has stunned the
medical world. If doctors can establish why this happened, without
treatment, it could benefit the 34.9 million virus carriers worldwide.
See the case of Jessica, 25, who was diagnosed as sperm-positive
but found to be clear of a fetus a few months later.
So, Taka, would you personally rub a wound on your arm with blood of
so called "HIV infected person"? |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:21 pm |
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On Jul 28, 1:05 pm, DZ <8... at (no spam) 1773917477.1908315314.8061.11150.14363>
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Quote: Taka <taka0... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
ferr... at (no spam) ironcity.com wrote:
The subject line poses a question that can be answered by science. All we
need do is have those who are in doubt accept injections of hiv and
observe the results.
The case of Andrew Stimpson, 25, who was diagnosed as HIV-positive in
2002 but found to be clear of the virus in 2003, has stunned the
medical world. If doctors can establish why this happened, without
treatment, it could benefit the 34.9 million virus carriers worldwide.
See the case of Jessica, 25, who was diagnosed as sperm-positive
but found to be clear of a fetus a few months later.
So, Taka, would you personally rub a wound on your arm with blood of
so called "HIV infected person"?
No, because if in the process I was found HIV positive I would be
ultimately force fed AZT by the establishment even without any
symptoms.
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Asking if injection of the hiv virus would support the subject line, a web
video was offered.
Quote: Instead of the film it would be better to read the studies done.
Abstracts of them should be on pubmed and I have access to many full
journal articles online. If you please, what are the references.
"Not all studies make it up to the Medline and some controversial results
which go against the current dogma are especially difficult to publish
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Then we are left without published and peer reviewed support for the
claim. If it should become available then I would be happy to review it.
I'm sure you know the first line of defence for many fringe science
assertions is as above.
Quote: "and not all given a HIV positive blood get AIDS:"
Not all who get it in all the usual other ways get aids either. I
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Quote: looked at it recently but some years ago it was found those who carry a
certain gene(s) don't go from hiv to aids. That gene was also
discovered
to have been found in populations who survived the plagues of the middle
ages. The thinking was that an immunity that also happens to defend one
with hiv goes with that gene. I might poke about some to see the status
of that research.
"You are right, here are the recent studies:"
And I remind you again of the bell curve in living systems and it's
implications for normal response to the hiv virus. Again, someone has to
be on the extreme tails of the curve but the fat middle describes best the
living system. At present that fat middle supports the hiv virus as
source of aids theory. |
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Taka <taka0... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Quote: Not all studies make it up to the Medline and some controversial
results which go against the current dogma are especially difficult to
publish ...
Ah, the classic statement by those who wish to create their own
reality without any supporting evidence...... |
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