On Jul 17, 4:17 pm, Mensanator <mensana... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:





On Jul 17, 4:43 pm, mike3 <mike4... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 16, 10:24 pm, Mensanator <mensana... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Jul 16, 9:01�pm, Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Tim Smith wrote:
Those dazzled by his breakthroughs in factoring and FLT who are eager to
see what his next breakthrough will be might find
comp.lang.java.programmer interesting. �JSH has started posting there
about his new project: solving the traveling salesman problem.

I am not an expert, and I certainly don't think that he should be an
object so degraded that one can only laugh at him.

In any case, my personal evaluation is that
a) He is looking for P = NP.
b) He has discovered (or will shortly) a version of bidirectional search
for TSP that he is going to try to tweak to get P = NP (which should be
fruitless; you can read my full response to see why).
c) He will, alas, not find that P = NP. I have some experience, maybe
more than he does, on the area; I believe P = NP for various personal
reasons, but I also don't believe I or anyone else will solve it for at
least 50 years.

In short, the same old: going down fruitless paths for research in an
area where existing results are good enough for general use.

Actually, Jimmy is probably better off on
a fruitless path (see my explanation of the
Traveling Slaesman Problem to Hendrik Boom).

Why? What would be so bad about _real_ breakthoughs, anyway?

That was a joke. If he finds no fruit he won't have
to shove them up his ass. OTOH, if he tackles a
watermelon-sized problem like the Traveling Salesman,
he's going to end up with quite a grimace on his face.

Why, if he did find something real, would he have to
"shove it up his !!!" as you so crudely put it?

As soon as I read he was going after TTSP, I literally
thought: "Jimmy's out picking watermelons".

Again.

Those dazzled by his breakthroughs in factoring and FLT who are eager to
see what his next breakthrough will be might find
comp.lang.java.programmer interesting.  JSH has started posting there
about his new project: solving the traveling salesman problem.

--
--Tim Smith

On Jul 18, 7:15 am, David C. Ullrich <dullr... at (no spam) sprynet.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:01:33 -0400, Joshua Cranmer

Pidgeo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Tim Smith wrote:
Those dazzled by his breakthroughs in factoring and FLT who are eager to
see what his next breakthrough will be might find
comp.lang.java.programmer interesting.  JSH has started posting there
about his new project: solving the traveling salesman problem.

I am not an expert, and I certainly don't think that he should be an
object so degraded that one can only laugh at him.

Look up his posts to sci.math for the last ten years on google.
Make certain not to miss any. When you're done, shouldn't
take more than a few months, let us know whether your
opiion has changed.

snip

I don't laugh at him as a person as I think that is wrong and 2 wrongs
don't make a right, however I do sometimes laugh at his silly ideas,
esp. when they're proven to be bunk. Actually, it's not so much the
ideas
either (wrong ideas aren't so often amusing to me, they're just
wrong),
but all the grandstanding and stuff that he puts on top of them,
claiming
to have a "REVOLUTIONARY" new whatever and yet he has nothing at
all but a pile of garbage. And it just sounds funny and comedic.

Although I think even laughing *at him* is probably the mildest thing
that I've
seen done here -- some people here get very crude and use sad, sad
language
that makes me pine for the state of our world. Interesting general
observation:
It seems when one persion does wrong (here, James Harris, and the
"wrong" is
all this grandstanding, arrogance and egotism over these crap ideas)
he incites
others to wrong too, and a vicious circle is created. Indeed, it seems
one's
own actions really do shape the world one lives in... This is not just
a bunch of
hooey, it is provable fact, and the proof is right here.

I'm wondering: when you (in general, i.e. this group) tell James to go
away do
you really mean it, and if so why, considering you also seem so
entertained by
his arrogance, dumb ideas, etc.?

On Jul 18, 7:15 am, David C. Ullrich <dullr... at (no spam) sprynet.com> wrote:
Look up his posts to sci.math for the last ten years on google.
Make certain not to miss any. When you're done, shouldn't take more
than a few months, let us know whether your opiion has changed.

I don't laugh at him as a person as I think that is wrong and 2
wrongs don't make a right, however I do sometimes laugh at his silly
ideas, esp. when they're proven to be bunk. Actually, it's not so
much the ideas either (wrong ideas aren't so often amusing to me,
they're just wrong), but all the grandstanding and stuff that he puts
on top of them, claiming to have a "REVOLUTIONARY" new whatever and
yet he has nothing at all but a pile of garbage. And it just sounds
funny and comedic.

Interesting general observation: It seems when one persion does wrong
(here, James Harris, and the "wrong" is all this grandstanding,
arrogance and egotism over these crap ideas) he incites others to
wrong too, and a vicious circle is created.

I've read most of his posts for the past year.

On Jul 25, 10:49 pm, mike3 <mike4... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:



On Jul 17, 4:17 pm, Mensanator <mensana... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Jul 17, 4:43 pm, mike3 <mike4... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 16, 10:24 pm, Mensanator <mensana... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Jul 16, 9:01 pm, Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Tim Smith wrote:
Those dazzled by his breakthroughs in factoring and FLT who are eager to
see what his next breakthrough will be might find
comp.lang.java.programmer interesting. JSH has started posting there
about his new project: solving the traveling salesman problem..

I am not an expert, and I certainly don't think that he should be an
object so degraded that one can only laugh at him.

In any case, my personal evaluation is that
a) He is looking for P = NP.
b) He has discovered (or will shortly) a version of bidirectional search
for TSP that he is going to try to tweak to get P = NP (which should be
fruitless; you can read my full response to see why).
c) He will, alas, not find that P = NP. I have some experience, maybe
more than he does, on the area; I believe P = NP for various personal
reasons, but I also don't believe I or anyone else will solve it for at
least 50 years.

In short, the same old: going down fruitless paths for research in an
area where existing results are good enough for general use.

Actually, Jimmy is probably better off on
a fruitless path (see my explanation of the
Traveling Slaesman Problem to Hendrik Boom).

Why? What would be so bad about _real_ breakthoughs, anyway?

That was a joke. If he finds no fruit he won't have
to shove them up his ass. OTOH, if he tackles a
watermelon-sized problem like the Traveling Salesman,
he's going to end up with quite a grimace on his face.

Why, if he did find something real, would he have to
"shove it up his !!!" as you so crudely put it?

Jimmy has found plenty of real things, like
a prime counting algorithm. The joke is not
about finding them, it's what you do with them
afterwards.

Jimmy's stuff either originates in his ass or
eventually finds a home there.



As soon as I read he was going after TTSP, I literally
thought: "Jimmy's out picking watermelons".

Again.

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:03:46 -0700 (PDT), mike3 <mike4... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:



On Jul 18, 7:15 am, David C. Ullrich <dullr... at (no spam) sprynet.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:01:33 -0400, Joshua Cranmer

Pidgeo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Tim Smith wrote:
Those dazzled by his breakthroughs in factoring and FLT who are eager to
see what his next breakthrough will be might find
comp.lang.java.programmer interesting.  JSH has started posting there
about his new project: solving the traveling salesman problem.

I am not an expert, and I certainly don't think that he should be an
object so degraded that one can only laugh at him.

Look up his posts to sci.math for the last ten years on google.
Make certain not to miss any. When you're done, shouldn't
take more than a few months, let us know whether your
opiion has changed.

snip

I don't laugh at him as a person as I think that is wrong and 2 wrongs
don't make a right, however I do sometimes laugh at his silly ideas,
esp. when they're proven to be bunk. Actually, it's not so much the
ideas
either  (wrong ideas aren't so often amusing to me, they're just
wrong),
but all the grandstanding and stuff that he puts on top of them,
claiming
to have a "REVOLUTIONARY" new whatever and yet he has nothing at
all but a pile of garbage. And it just sounds funny and comedic.

Although I think even laughing *at him* is probably the mildest thing
that I've
seen done here -- some people here get very crude and use sad, sad
language
that makes me pine for the state of our world. Interesting general
observation:
It seems when one persion does wrong (here, James Harris, and the
"wrong" is
all this grandstanding, arrogance and egotism over these crap ideas)
he incites
others to wrong too, and a vicious circle is created. Indeed, it seems
one's
own actions really do shape the world one lives in... This is not just
a bunch of
hooey, it is provable fact, and the proof is right here.

I'm wondering: when you (in general, i.e. this group) tell James to go
away do
you really mean it, and if so why, considering you also seem so
entertained by
his arrogance, dumb ideas, etc.?

"this group" doesn't do anything - various individuals in the
group do. For my own part, youi're never seen me tell him
to go away.

On Jul 26, 6:34 am, David C. Ullrich <dullr... at (no spam) sprynet.com> wrote:

[...]

"this group" doesn't do anything - various individuals in the
group do. For my own part, youi're never seen me tell him
to go away.

Oh, so you do like the "entertainment" provided by his cranky
stuff, then?

mike3 wrote:
On Jul 18, 7:15 am, David C. Ullrich <dullr... at (no spam) sprynet.com> wrote:
Look up his posts to sci.math for the last ten years on google.
Make certain not to miss any. When you're done, shouldn't take more
than a few months, let us know whether your opiion has changed.

I've read most of his posts for the past year. I've not studied much in
terms of factoring, but I have unassuaged doubts with his algorithm, and
I'm not convinced that the basic idea is fruitful.

I don't laugh at him as a person as I think that is wrong and 2
wrongs don't make a right, however I do sometimes laugh at his silly
ideas, esp. when they're proven to be bunk. Actually, it's not so
much the ideas either  (wrong ideas aren't so often amusing to me,
they're just wrong), but all the grandstanding and stuff that he puts
on top of them, claiming to have a "REVOLUTIONARY" new whatever and
yet he has nothing at all but a pile of garbage. And it just sounds
funny and comedic.

A view which roughly mirrors my own. He is likely an intelligent person,
at least in an academic sense (cue joke on an inverse relationship
between IQ and common sense), certainly smarter than many people here
will give him credit for; his primary foible with regards to criticism
is one which many people share.

The problem, though, is the grandstanding. My general impression is
that, if you were to strip all that away, he would be a person with whom
you could share a very pleasant discussion over, say, coffee. This is a
rather unique characteristic among the many who have become targets of
ridicule in newsgroups.

Interesting general observation: It seems when one persion does wrong
(here, James Harris, and the "wrong" is all this grandstanding,
arrogance and egotism over these crap ideas) he incites others to
wrong too, and a vicious circle is created.

Indeed. I have pontificated a bit on this idea in c.l.j.p, but I urge
you /not/ to respond there, since it is a topic well beyond OT.

On 30 Jul, 19:15, mike3 <mike4... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Oh, so you do like the "entertainment" provided by his cranky
stuff, then?

Can't speak for David, but I do.

On Jul 25, 11:00 pm, Mensanator <mensana... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:





On Jul 25, 10:49 pm, mike3 <mike4... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 17, 4:17 pm, Mensanator <mensana... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Jul 17, 4:43 pm, mike3 <mike4... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 16, 10:24 pm, Mensanator <mensana... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Jul 16, 9:01 pm, Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Tim Smith wrote:
Those dazzled by his breakthroughs in factoring and FLT who are eager to
see what his next breakthrough will be might find
comp.lang.java.programmer interesting. JSH has started posting there
about his new project: solving the traveling salesman problem.

I am not an expert, and I certainly don't think that he should be an
object so degraded that one can only laugh at him.

In any case, my personal evaluation is that
a) He is looking for P = NP.
b) He has discovered (or will shortly) a version of bidirectional search
for TSP that he is going to try to tweak to get P = NP (which should be
fruitless; you can read my full response to see why).
c) He will, alas, not find that P = NP. I have some experience, maybe
more than he does, on the area; I believe P = NP for various personal
reasons, but I also don't believe I or anyone else will solve it for at
least 50 years.

In short, the same old: going down fruitless paths for research in an
area where existing results are good enough for general use.

Actually, Jimmy is probably better off on
a fruitless path (see my explanation of the
Traveling Slaesman Problem to Hendrik Boom).

Why? What would be so bad about _real_ breakthoughs, anyway?

That was a joke. If he finds no fruit he won't have
to shove them up his ass. OTOH, if he tackles a
watermelon-sized problem like the Traveling Salesman,
he's going to end up with quite a grimace on his face.

Why, if he did find something real, would he have to
"shove it up his !!!" as you so crudely put it?

Jimmy has found plenty of real things, like
a prime counting algorithm. The joke is not
about finding them, it's what you do with them
afterwards.

And so what does he do with them then? ANd how does it make it
all useless? (unless the "Real" things are not actually _better_
than what already exists

-- e.g. "surrogate factoring" being just
warmed-over Fermat's method or something (I think that was one
thing I heard about it))



Jimmy's stuff either originates in his ass or
eventually finds a home there.

As soon as I read he was going after TTSP, I literally
thought: "Jimmy's out picking watermelons".

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A view which roughly mirrors my own. He is likely an intelligent person,
at least in an academic sense (cue joke on an inverse relationship
between IQ and common sense), certainly smarter than many people here
will give him credit for; his primary foible with regards to criticism
is one which many people share.

You're confusing two very different levels of reaction. Across the

The problem, though, is the grandstanding. My general impression is
that, if you were to strip all that away, he would be a person with whom
you could share a very pleasant discussion over, say, coffee. This is a
rather unique characteristic among the many who have become targets of
ridicule in newsgroups.

I don't know how one could have a pleasant conversation with someone

Comes the dawn.

On Jul 26, 6:34 am, David C. Ullrich <dullr... at (no spam) sprynet.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:03:46 -0700 (PDT), mike3 <mike4... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:



On Jul 18, 7:15 am, David C. Ullrich <dullr... at (no spam) sprynet.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:01:33 -0400, Joshua Cranmer

Pidgeo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Tim Smith wrote:
Those dazzled by his breakthroughs in factoring and FLT who are eager to
see what his next breakthrough will be might find
comp.lang.java.programmer interesting.  JSH has started posting there
about his new project: solving the traveling salesman problem.

I am not an expert, and I certainly don't think that he should be an
object so degraded that one can only laugh at him.

Look up his posts to sci.math for the last ten years on google.
Make certain not to miss any. When you're done, shouldn't
take more than a few months, let us know whether your
opiion has changed.

snip

I don't laugh at him as a person as I think that is wrong and 2 wrongs
don't make a right, however I do sometimes laugh at his silly ideas,
esp. when they're proven to be bunk. Actually, it's not so much the
ideas
either  (wrong ideas aren't so often amusing to me, they're just
wrong),
but all the grandstanding and stuff that he puts on top of them,
claiming
to have a "REVOLUTIONARY" new whatever and yet he has nothing at
all but a pile of garbage. And it just sounds funny and comedic.

Although I think even laughing *at him* is probably the mildest thing
that I've
seen done here -- some people here get very crude and use sad, sad
language
that makes me pine for the state of our world. Interesting general
observation:
It seems when one persion does wrong (here, James Harris, and the
"wrong" is
all this grandstanding, arrogance and egotism over these crap ideas)
he incites
others to wrong too, and a vicious circle is created. Indeed, it seems
one's
own actions really do shape the world one lives in... This is not just
a bunch of
hooey, it is provable fact, and the proof is right here.

I'm wondering: when you (in general, i.e. this group) tell James to go
away do
you really mean it, and if so why, considering you also seem so
entertained by
his arrogance, dumb ideas, etc.?

"this group" doesn't do anything - various individuals in the
group do. For my own part, youi're never seen me tell him
to go away.


Oh, so you do like the "entertainment" provided by his cranky
stuff, then?

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:15:05 -0700 (PDT), mike3 <mike4... at (no spam) yahoo.com
snip
Oh, so you do like the "entertainment" provided by his cranky
stuff, then?

Giggle. You _don't_ find it entertaining when he explains
that all the math professors are going to be fired when the
Truth comes out? When he states that the Future of
Civilization As We Know It depends on people accepting
his greatness?