ANZHP symposium: Obesity - should there be a law against it?
Eating enough for twenty people .. ?

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Editorial
Obesity: should there be a law against it? Introduction to a
symposium
Roger S Magnusson

Faculty of Law, University of Sydney, Sydney, Australia

Australia and New Zealand Health Policy 2008, 5:9doi:
10.1186/1743-8462-5-9

Published: 5 June 2008

Abstract
The rapid rise in rates of overweight and obesity among adults and
children in Australia and New Zealand has intensified debate about
the
most effective policies for obesity prevention. Law has much to
contribute to this policy discussion, although its role is often
misunderstood. The articles in this symposium follow on from a
conference hosted in September 2006 by the Centre for Health
Governance, Law & Ethics in the Faculty of Law, University of Sydney,
titled: Obesity: should there be a law against it? In different ways,
these articles provide a variety of perspectives on regulatory
responses to obesity, including theoretical justifications for a
legal
approach, conceptual models that assist in making sense of law's
role,
as well as specific legal strategies for obesity prevention in
various
settings.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

On Jul 21, 4:21 pm, ironjustice <teamtan... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:> ANZHP symposium: Obesity - should there be a law against it?

Eating enough for twenty people .. ?

Crime .. against .. humanity .. ?

Global warming .. ?

http://dietpulpit.com/362/33000-calories-a-day/

Definition of Obesity, Food Addiction and BMI

I watched a show on the TLC channel over the weekend called “I eat
33,000 calories a day.” It was a heart wrenching story of four
people’s lives who are devasted due to being very overweight and food
addiction. I realized that I could easily have been in a very similar
situation - house bound and incapacited by food. I started this diet
last year on May 1, I was 293.5 lbs. (defined as morbidly obese) -
with lots of back pain, foot pain and knee pain, aching all over, high
blood pressure and exhausted 90% of the time.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk



(Edited by Roger Magnusson (Coordinator))http://www.anzhealthpolicy.com/articles/theme-series.asp?series=1743-...

Editorial
Obesity: should there be a law against it? Introduction to a
symposium
Roger S Magnusson

Faculty of Law, University of Sydney, Sydney, Australia

Australia and New Zealand Health Policy 2008, 5:9doi:
10.1186/1743-8462-5-9

Published: 5 June 2008

Abstract
The rapid rise in rates of overweight and obesity among adults and
children in Australia and New Zealand has intensified debate about
the
most effective policies for obesity prevention. Law has much to
contribute to this policy discussion, although its role is often
misunderstood. The articles in this symposium follow on from a
conference hosted in September 2006 by the Centre for Health
Governance, Law & Ethics in the Faculty of Law, University of Sydney,
titled: Obesity: should there be a law against it? In different ways,
these articles provide a variety of perspectives on regulatory
responses to obesity, including theoretical justifications for a
legal
approach, conceptual models that assist in making sense of law's
role,
as well as specific legal strategies for obesity prevention in
various
settings.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk- Hide quoted text -

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On Jul 23, 12:45 pm, ironjustice <teamtan... at (no spam) hotmail.com
wrote:Obesity - should there be a law against it?  Eating enough for
twenty people .. ?

Using the vegetarian argument.
They say when one eats meat one can imagine forty hungry people
watching you eat it .. due to the use of food to grow the animal ..
land use .. water use .. power use .. etc.
In these cases then one might suppose this ONE person would have ..
400 hungry people watch him .. eat.

Twenty times forty.

That's .. using .. math.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk



On Jul 21, 4:21 pm, ironjustice <teamtan... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:> ANZHP symposium: Obesity - should there be a law against it?

Eating enough for twenty people .. ?

Crime .. against .. humanity .. ?

Global warming .. ?

http://dietpulpit.com/362/33000-calories-a-day/

Definition of Obesity, Food Addiction and BMI

I watched a show on the TLC channel over the weekend called “I eat
33,000 calories a day.” It was a heart wrenching story of four
people’s lives who are devasted due to being very overweight and food
addiction. I realized that I could easily have been in a very similar
situation - house bound and incapacited by food. I started this diet
last year on May 1, I was 293.5 lbs. (defined as morbidly obese) -
with lots of back pain, foot pain and knee pain, aching all over, high
blood pressure and exhausted 90% of the time.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

(Edited by Roger Magnusson (Coordinator))http://www.anzhealthpolicy.com/articles/theme-series.asp?series=1743-...

Editorial
Obesity: should there be a law against it? Introduction to a
symposium
Roger S Magnusson

Faculty of Law, University of Sydney, Sydney, Australia

Australia and New Zealand Health Policy 2008, 5:9doi:
10.1186/1743-8462-5-9

Published: 5 June 2008

Abstract
The rapid rise in rates of overweight and obesity among adults and
children in Australia and New Zealand has intensified debate about
the
most effective policies for obesity prevention. Law has much to
contribute to this policy discussion, although its role is often
misunderstood. The articles in this symposium follow on from a
conference hosted in September 2006 by the Centre for Health
Governance, Law & Ethics in the Faculty of Law, University of Sydney,
titled: Obesity: should there be a law against it? In different ways,
these articles provide a variety of perspectives on regulatory
responses to obesity, including theoretical justifications for a
legal
approach, conceptual models that assist in making sense of law's
role,
as well as specific legal strategies for obesity prevention in
various
settings.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk-Hide quoted text -

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Who loves ya. =CAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO BE AROUND THIS CREATURE, LET
ALONE READ THE SHIT SPEWED FORTH BY HIM REPETITIVELY.
Tom= REALLY A HERMAPHRODITIC NEANDERTHAL THAT WILL NOT GO AWAY.

Jesus Was A Vegetarian! JESUS ATE FISH. HE ATE A MEDITERRANEAN DIET.http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh(WHY ARE YOU ADVERTISING THAT YOU HAVE A
TINY***, ARE A TINY LITTLE DUMBASS THAT WON'T GO
AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Man Is A Herbivore! I AM MAN, I AM HUMAN, I EAT MEAT. MOST PEOPLE EAT
MEAT AND ARE NOT HERBIVORES!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595(WHY ARE YOU ADVERTISING THAT YOU HAVE A
TINY***, ARE A TINY LITTLE DUMBASS THAT WON'T GO
AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING. DEAD PEOPLE CANNOT TALK, WALK, OR EAT, REGARDLESS
OF THE BULLSHIT SWIMMING AROUND IN THAT FILTHY, SICK, ANNOYING HEAD OF
YOURS.http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk(WHY ARE YOU ADVERTISING THAT YOU HAVE A
TINY***, ARE A TINY LITTLE DUMBASS THAT WON'T GO
AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

STAY OFF ANY THREADS.
HOW DO YOU OWN ANYTHING?
STAY OUT OF THE NEWSGROUPS.
QUIT POSTING NONSENSE THAT NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR.
THE ONLY PURPOSE YOU HAVE IN LIFE IS TO ANNOY THOSE ACTUALLY USING
THESE SERVICES FOR THE INTENDED PURPOSE BY POSTING YOUR SHIT.
QUIT.

YOU FIT THE PROFILE OF THE CYBERSTALKER, CYBERBULLY. YOU ARE THE ONE
and ONLY PERSON DOING THAT TO THE REST OF THE NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS.

GO AWAY.

WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT **YOUR POSTING IS NOT WANTED HERE*****

Barring my feelings about Tom and his spouting off....

Before we go trying to legislate obesity it might do some good to
research the disease itself. Yes, it is a disease. Compulsive
overeating and binge eating is a recognized psychiatric disorder.

Does anyone honestly think that people wake up one morning and say,
"Hey, I think I'll get fat. Starting right now, I'm going to pile on
the pounds until I can't find decent clothes, till people laugh at me,
and until I am discriminated against in the workplace and many other
ways."

Many, many people who are morbidly obese have a history of some form
of abuse. They cannot control the person abusing them, but they CAN
control what they eat. Food is a quiet companion. It doesn't talk
back. It doesn't say nasty things. It doesn't reject them or call
them stupid or abuse or molest them. It doesn't neglect them. It is
there for them no matter what. It helps cover up the pain and in fact
eases it to a point. It is a comfort to someone in immense
psychological pain.

We don't legislate drunks or drug addicts.

Child molesters get off
with a slap on the hand. Drunk drivers who hit someone and kill them
often don't even go to jail.

Yet some idiot in the legislature who is
offended by a fat person, possibly because of their own fears of being
out of control, wants to legislate people in enough pain to put their
physical lives in danger by overeating?

How totally ignorant and ludicrous.

And how immature.

And prejudiced.

And insensitive.

Instead, how about allowing for mental health care and counseling for
these people so that whatever it is they are dealing with can come to
light and perhaps, through that, they can learn to cope in a more
positive fashion and maybe learn to overcome the giant and lose the
excess weight along with the fears that put it there?

Only the perfect have the right to say who and how people ought to
be. There was only one perfect Man, and they hung him up on a cross.

Trisha in MO

On Jul 21, 4:21 pm, ironjustice <teamtan... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:> ANZHP symposium: Obesity - should there be a law against it?

Eating enough for twenty people .. ?

Crime .. against .. humanity .. ?

Global warming .. ?

http://dietpulpit.com/362/33000-calories-a-day/

Definition of Obesity, Food Addiction and BMI

I watched a show on the TLC channel over the weekend called “I eat
33,000 calories a day.” It was a heart wrenching story of four
people’s lives who are devasted due to being very overweight and food
addiction. I realized that I could easily have been in a very similar
situation - house bound and incapacited by food. I started this diet
last year on May 1, I was 293.5 lbs. (defined as morbidly obese) -
with lots of back pain, foot pain and knee pain, aching all over, high
blood pressure and exhausted 90% of the time.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk



(Edited by Roger Magnusson (Coordinator))http://www.anzhealthpolicy.com/articles/theme-series.asp?series=1743-...

Editorial
Obesity: should there be a law against it? Introduction to a
symposium
Roger S Magnusson

Faculty of Law, University of Sydney, Sydney, Australia

Australia and New Zealand Health Policy 2008, 5:9doi:
10.1186/1743-8462-5-9

Published: 5 June 2008

Abstract
The rapid rise in rates of overweight and obesity among adults and
children in Australia and New Zealand has intensified debate about
the
most effective policies for obesity prevention. Law has much to
contribute to this policy discussion, although its role is often
misunderstood. The articles in this symposium follow on from a
conference hosted in September 2006 by the Centre for Health
Governance, Law & Ethics in the Faculty of Law, University of Sydney,
titled: Obesity: should there be a law against it? In different ways,
these articles provide a variety of perspectives on regulatory
responses to obesity, including theoretical justifications for a
legal
approach, conceptual models that assist in making sense of law's
role,
as well as specific legal strategies for obesity prevention in
various
settings.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk- Hide quoted text -

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But you seem to be saying that we can all drink, smoke
and eat as much as we want and the taxpayers should pick up the tab
for their health care and counseling.

So ... any action which results from a psychiatric disorder should not be
considered criminal?  How about pedophilia?

Note that alcoholism is also a psychiatric disorder.

 DUI and "drunk and disorderly" conduct are
crimes.  And it's illegal to sell drugs and to sell alcohol to people under
21.  At one time alcoholics, and I think drug abusers too, were put in
mental institutions.

Child molesters get off
with a slap on the hand.  Drunk drivers who hit someone and kill them
often don't even go to jail.

I've never heard of any such cases.  Such cases are certainly not the norm.

Is it possible that the legislator wants to improve the health of the obese
and lower our health care costs?

How about if those of you who favor this counseling pay for it.  My health
insurance costs are already too high thank you!

It sounds like you have a cross reserved for the legislator.  So, not being
perfect, I have no right to an opinion on what should be illegal?

On Jul 24, 8:45 pm, "eBob.com" <faken... at (no spam) totallybogus.com> wrote:


So ... any action which results from a psychiatric disorder should not be
considered criminal? How about pedophilia?


I didn't say that. I'm saying find out why before you go tying laws
to the disorder. If you read what I said, a great number of the
people who are overweight are that way because they have been molested
or abused. Deal with the root of the problem instead of the result.
Stop letting people get away with molesting and raping and child
pornography and a good number of these obese people won't ever get
there.

people who are overweight are that way because they have been molested
or abused.

Note that alcoholism is also a psychiatric disorder.


Like I said....attack the root, not the product. Why do people
drink? Alcoholism is mostly genetic, passed on through family
members, as is morbid obesity. Note I said mostly, not all. Why,
then, do some show the signs and symptoms of the disorder while others
don't? Maybe it has to do with how these people are treated in
childhood.

members, as is morbid obesity.

DUI and "drunk and disorderly" conduct are
crimes. And it's illegal to sell drugs and to sell alcohol to people under
21. At one time alcoholics, and I think drug abusers too, were put in
mental institutions.


Poorly enforced crimes. Kids in middle school take drugs now. They
can get it on every corner. Like I said, it's a symptom, not the root
of the problem. We keep trying to put bandaids on brain tumors and
don't understand why the problem continues.

Child molesters get off
with a slap on the hand. Drunk drivers who hit someone and kill them
often don't even go to jail.

I've never heard of any such cases. Such cases are certainly not the norm.


The guy who lived kitty corner to us was a convicted child molester.
He did less than a year for molesting 3 kids. While out on probation,
he started offending again and was only caught when he publicly
molested a little girl at WalMart. Then he finally went to prison.
Norm? Look on the Internet. There are kiddy porn sites all over the
place. Alcohol is pushed along with sex all over the TV via
commercials with half-dressed women licking their lips like they're
all for whatever you want to do to them. Our sports stars get
arrested for drunk driving all the time and are onlly penalized if
it's the 3rd or 4th time. The coach of the St. Louis Cardinals was
pulled over in Florida, speeding and drunk as a skunk. It's perfectly
acceptable behavior. One of the Cardinals died last year, going over
75 on the highway on the way from one party to another, plowed
already. He was idolized and memorialized at the stadium. What is
wrong with our country? You wanna stop that kind of crap and maybe
you'll get rid of some of the problem.


Is it possible that the legislator wants to improve the health of the obese
and lower our health care costs?



How is punishing the people with the problem instead of dealing with
the symptoms going to improve anything? We are spending too much on
prisons already. Deal with the root of the problem, not the
symptoms.


How about if those of you who favor this counseling pay for it. My health
insurance costs are already too high thank you!


How about making the molesters and abusers and neglectful parents pay
for the counseling? They are the perpetuators of the problem, not the
recipients.


It sounds like you have a cross reserved for the legislator. So, not being
perfect, I have no right to an opinion on what should be illegal?


Nope. Not what I said. But if you can legislate obesity, then you'd
better legislate all the other things that happen as the result of
people making selfish decisions that lead to the abuse of another.
I've been on the obese side. I've been the object of nasty looks,
nasty jokes, and discrimination because I was beaten and molested as a
child. My molester never went to jail. He just went on to molest
other little girls because I was a kid and the law doesn't listen to
kids.

I happen to think that a lot of things ought to be illegal, but none
of them fall under the heading of punishing someone for imposing a
penalty on themselves for being abused or neglected, which is what
obesity is. It is the internalizing of the guilt feelings of a person
for being attractive enough or gullible enough or young enough to have
someone take advantage of their innocence. They seek to hide the
guilt and whatever it was that attracted the abuser under a layer of
fat. Our society is screwed up enough without trying to play judge
and jury against the innocent who have been violated.

Trisha in MO

in line:

Deal with the root of the problem instead of the result.

a great number of
people who are overweight are that way because they have been molested
or abused.

Are you sure about this? Do you have any references? I am sure it
happens sometimes but most??

Note that alcoholism is also a psychiatric disorder.

Like I said....attack the root, not the product. Why do people
drink? Alcoholism is mostly genetic, passed on through family
members, as is morbid obesity.

then, do some show the signs and symptoms of the disorder while others
don't? Maybe it has to do with how these people are treated in
childhood.

Alcoholism is mostly genetic, passed on through family
members, as is morbid obesity.

Again, are you sure? Positive it's not environment??

I don't believe kids in middle school do drugs because of some deep
seated problem, mostly. It's just a time to experiment

and it's just
occuring earlier and earlier. When I was in high school the vast
majority of the kids did drugs of some sort"

The guy who lived kitty corner to us was a convicted child molester.
He did less than a year for molesting 3 kids. While out on probation,
he started offending again and was only caught when he publicly
molested a little girl at WalMart. Then he finally went to prison.
Norm? Look on the Internet. There are kiddy porn sites all over the
place.

Alcohol is pushed along with sex all over the TV via

How about if those of you who favor this counseling pay for it. My health
insurance costs are already too high thank you!

How about making the molesters and abusers and neglectful parents pay
for the counseling? They are the perpetuators of the problem, not the
recipients.

if you can legislate obesity, then you'd
better legislate all the other things that happen as the result of
people making selfish decisions that lead to the abuse of another.

On Jul 23, 12:45 pm, ironjustice <teamtan... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:Global
warming .. ?

Eating Less Meat And Junk Food Could Cut Fossil Energy Fuel Use Almost
In Half
ScienceDaily (July 24, 2008) — Study finds a healthier diet and a
return to traditional farming can help reduce energy consumption in US
food system by 50 percent.
An estimated 19 percent of total energy used in the USA is taken up in
the production and supply of food. Currently, this mostly comes from
non-renewable energy sources which are in short supply. It is
therefore of paramount importance that ways of reducing this
significant fuel consumption in the US food system are found.

David Pimentel and his colleagues at Cornell University in New York
set out a number of strategies which could potentially cut fossil
energy fuel use in the food system by as much as 50 percent.

The first, and very astute suggestion they put forward is that
individuals eat less, especially considering that the average American
consumes an estimated 3,747 calories a day, a staggering 1200-1500
calories over recommendations. Traditional American diets are high in
animal products, and junk and processed foods in particular, which by
their nature use more energy than that used to produce staple foods
such as potatoes, rice, fruits and vegetables. By just reducing junk
food intake and converting to diets lower in meat, the average
American could have a massive impact on fuel consumption as well as
improving his or her health.

Further savings are possible in the food production industry. The
authors suggest that moving towards more traditional, organic farming
methods would help because conventional meat and dairy production is
extremely energy intensive. Similarly, in crop production, reduced
pesticide use, increased use of manure, cover crops and crop rotations
improve energy efficiency.

Finally, changes to methods of food processing, packaging and
distribution could also help to reduce fuel consumption. Although
well-established energy-saving considerations in lighting, heating and
packaging materials all have their part to play, the authors again
highlight individual responsibility as having the biggest impact.
They contend that the most dramatic reduction in energy used for food
processing would come about if consumers reduced their demand for
highly processed foods. This would also help cut down food miles and
its related fuel cost as US food travels an average of 2,400 km before
it is consumed.

This study argues strongly that the consumer is in the strongest
position to contribute to a reduction in energy use. As individuals
embrace a ‘greener’ lifestyle, an awareness of the influence their
food choices have on energy resources might be added encouragement for
them to buy good, local produce and avoid highly processed, heavily
packaged and nutritionally inferior food. As well as leading to a
cleaner environment, this would also lead to better health.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Journal reference:

Pimentel et al. Reducing Energy Inputs in the US Food System. Human
Ecology, 2008; DOI: 10.1007/s10745-008-9184-3


Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk




On Jul 21, 4:21 pm, ironjustice <teamtan... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:> ANZHP symposium: Obesity - should there be a law against it?

Eating enough for twenty people .. ?

Crime .. against .. humanity .. ?

Global warming .. ?

http://dietpulpit.com/362/33000-calories-a-day/

Definition of Obesity, Food Addiction and BMI

I watched a show on the TLC channel over the weekend called “I eat
33,000 calories a day.” It was a heart wrenching story of four
people’s lives who are devasted due to being very overweight and food
addiction. I realized that I could easily have been in a very similar
situation - house bound and incapacited by food. I started this diet
last year on May 1, I was 293.5 lbs. (defined as morbidly obese) -
with lots of back pain, foot pain and knee pain, aching all over, high
blood pressure and exhausted 90% of the time.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk



(Edited by Roger Magnusson (Coordinator))http://www.anzhealthpolicy.com/articles/theme-series.asp?series=1743-...
Editorial
Obesity: should there be a law against it? Introduction to a
symposium
Roger S Magnusson
Faculty of Law, University of Sydney, Sydney, Australia
Australia and New Zealand Health Policy 2008, 5:9doi:
10.1186/1743-8462-5-9
Published: 5 June 2008
Abstract
The rapid rise in rates of overweight and obesity among adults and
children in Australia and New Zealand has intensified debate about
the
most effective policies for obesity prevention. Law has much to
contribute to this policy discussion, although its role is often
misunderstood. The articles in this symposium follow on from a
conference hosted in September 2006 by the Centre for Health
Governance, Law & Ethics in the Faculty of Law, University of Sydney,
titled: Obesity: should there be a law against it? In different ways,
these articles provide a variety of perspectives on regulatory
responses to obesity, including theoretical justifications for a
legal
approach, conceptual models that assist in making sense of law's
role,
as well as specific legal strategies for obesity prevention in
various
settings.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
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