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| Kadaitcha Man... |
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To someone with bogus invention like this one. There is no specific mention of material used in his electrolysis. I bet the patent office doesn't have an engineer to verify whether or not the invention is working. For example like the flaw, it's related to the problem that Coast to Coast tester mentionned earlier last week, he was having problem with Oxygen Sensor and "Engine light came on."
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The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs to be adjusted to take into account the additional
oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer. Normally, if the oxygen sensor senses more oxygen, the vehicle's computer would determine that the engine is running lean and open up the fuel injectors to a richer fuel mixture. This is
undesirable and would cause poor fuel economy:
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7191737/fulltext.html |
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| Kadaitcha Man... |
| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:36 pm |
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Quote: "Kadaitcha Man" <pummelling.milk.trays at (no spam) alt.pets.ferrets.denuded-slit.net.china> wrote in message >news:rcCdnU6A3NCuPR7VnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d at (no spam) posted.toastnet...
To someone with bogus invention like this one. There is no specific mention of material used in his >electrolysis. I bet the patent office doesn't have an engineer to verify whether or not the invention is >working. For example like the flaw, it's related to the problem that Coast to Coast tester mentionned >earlier last week, he was having problem with Oxygen Sensor and "Engine light came on."
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The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs to be adjusted to take into account the additional
oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer. Normally, if the oxygen sensor senses >more oxygen, the vehicle's computer would determine that the engine is running lean and open up the >fuel injectors to a richer fuel mixture. This is
undesirable and would cause poor fuel economy:
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7191737/fulltext.html
The inventor said he used metal for electrodes.......Heehee.... of course you have to use conductive materials in order to carry the current through the water. That's too general term! |
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| Don Lancaster... |
| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:01 pm |
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Kadaitcha Man wrote:
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The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs to be adjusted to take into account the additional
oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer.
This, of course, is a felony in the US, thanks to the EPA.
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/trashelc.pdf
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Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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| Don Lancaster... |
| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:06 pm |
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Kadaitcha Man wrote:
Quote: "Kadaitcha Man" <pummelling.milk.trays at (no spam) alt.pets.ferrets.denuded-slit.net.china> wrote in message >news:rcCdnU6A3NCuPR7VnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d at (no spam) posted.toastnet...
To someone with bogus invention like this one. There is no specific mention of material used in his >electrolysis. I bet the patent office doesn't have an engineer to verify whether or not the invention is >working. For example like the flaw, it's related to the problem that Coast to Coast tester mentionned >earlier last week, he was having problem with Oxygen Sensor and "Engine light came on."
-------The inventor's wording below:
The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs to be adjusted to take into account the additional
oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer. Normally, if the oxygen sensor senses >more oxygen, the vehicle's computer would determine that the engine is running lean and open up the >fuel injectors to a richer fuel mixture. This is
undesirable and would cause poor fuel economy:
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7191737/fulltext.html
The inventor said he used metal for electrodes.......Heehee.... of course you have to use conductive materials in order to carry the current through the water. That's too general term!
The point these epsilon minussses miss is that ANY electrolysis
electrode metal other than platinized platinum will have an overvoltage
associated with it that TOTALLY TRASHES the efficiency at higher currents.
Details in any electrochem book. The Handbook of Physics has a good
summary table.
Platinized platinum requires renewal every few weeks in a costly process.
Stainless steel is particularly bad with its double whammy of a high
hydrogen overvoltage of iron and its low energy passivated surface.
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/trashec.pdf
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Many thanks,
Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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| Kadaitcha Man... |
| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:02 am |
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"Don Lancaster" <don at (no spam) tinaja.com> wrote in message news:6ei1vmF6v22mU1 at (no spam) mid.individual.net...
Quote: Kadaitcha Man wrote:
The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs to be adjusted to take into account the additional
oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer.
This, of course, is a felony in the US, thanks to the EPA.
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/trashelc.pdf
Many thanks,
Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: don at (no spam) tinaja.com
Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
Wow! yes thanks to EPA but they are still ignoring it, or maybe they don't know. I'm surprised that people allow unreliable device into their cars, maybe they are too excited to see bubbles. I didn't know that they fool around Oxygen sensors until I heard the complaint from the Water4Gas tester on Coast-2-coast. |
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| Peter Hill... |
| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:28 pm |
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:29:07 -0700, "Kadaitcha Man"
<pummelling.milk.trays at (no spam) alt.pets.ferrets.denuded-slit.net.china> wrote:
Quote: To someone with bogus invention like this one.
There is no specific mention of material used in his electrolysis.
I bet the patent office doesn't have an engineer to verify
whether or not the invention is working.
No patent needs to actually function as intended (most don't and are
worthless [1]). The only function you can't claim is perpetual motion.
All it does is stop someone else doing (or fail to do) it EXACTLY the
same.
Quote: For example like the flaw, it's related to the problem that
Coast to Coast tester mentionned earlier last week,
he was having problem with Oxygen Sensor and
"Engine light came on."
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The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs
to be adjusted to take into account the additional
oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer.
Normally, if the oxygen sensor senses more oxygen,
the vehicle's computer would determine that the engine
is running lean and open up the fuel injectors to a richer fuel mixture.
This is undesirable and would cause poor fuel economy:
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7191737/fulltext.html
Patents can always be got round or over. How many different office
staplers are there? Everyone has it's own patent.
The problem probably isn't extra oxygen. It's the extra fuel. Air
metering systems based on pressure density (use a map sensor) can't
tell difference between air and HH0 so fuel gets added to burn the H2
portion of the gas which it can't.
[1] like this one - based on ZERO losses in transferring of gas from
compression cylinder to power cylinder.
http://www.scuderigroup.com/patent/pdf/US6543225.pdf
Having found that passage though the valves and transfer chamber
requires work and the gas can't flow fast enough, they are now running
round like headless chickens to slow that process down. So they came
up with this one.
http://www.scuderigroup.com/patent/pdf/US7121236.pdf
Cam guided big end will hammer itself to bits in a few 100's of revs.
That's assuming they can actually link the 2 halves of the crank
together well enough to stop the whole lot twisting and jamming on the
first stroke. I think the USA DoD has been taken for $1.2million and
other private investors will lose their shirts. Whoo $15m.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2006_August_15/ai_n26958623
A bunch of professional patent lawyers make the HHO scammers look like
the low ranking amateurs they are.
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Peter Hill
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| Don Lancaster... |
| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:55 pm |
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Peter Hill wrote:
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The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs
to be adjusted to take into account the additional
oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer.
The EPA, of course, has made doing this a felony.
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/trashelc.pdf
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Many thanks,
Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: don at (no spam) tinaja.com
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| Screen Barret... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:00 pm |
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Screen Barret, ye bovine courteous destroyer, thou dost over ween in
all, ye denunciated:
Quote: Another boy held me up against a fence near my house and kept touching
my groin and i told him to stop but he wouldn't. He held my head down
while i gave him oral sex and then i ran home shaking. |
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