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| Peri of Pera... |
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Photon or Wave Transmission of Light?
Photons are discrete energy points on electromagnetic waves that are
carried through and by a medium that permeates space and gaseous,
liquid and solid matter. The medium is the ether, an elastic solid.
Photons cannot exist without carrier waves. Waves cannot exist without
a medium. Fresnel and Arago demonstrated that these waves are
transverse waves vibrating at right angles to each other.
The wave property of the wave-photon duality accounts for:
Light colour (= wavelength)
Interference (Young’s double slit experiment)
Free intersection of light from different sources
Partial transmission and reflection at the boundary between different
materials (air, water, glass etc)
Polarisation
Distance decrease of illumination (Inverse Square Law)
Reflection
Refraction (Ratio of speed of light in air/water of 1.33 by Michelson
1883 agrees with refractive index of water of 1.33)
Dispersion (due to colour of light ie its wavelength, seen in
rainbows)
Diffraction (Grimaldi 1665, Huygens: Waves travel around corners of
objects)
Doppler Effect (Observed wave FREQUENCY depends on motion of source
and observer)
Radio wave transmission by amplitude and frequency modulation
Photon energy (E=hc/wavelength)
The photon property of the wave-photon duality accounts for:
Aberration
Propagation of light in straight lines
Sharp shadows
Reflection (if elastic collision)
Distance decrease of illumination (Inverse Square Law)
Light pressure
Heating due to light absorption
Photoelectric effect
The ether was abolished by the Michelson-Morley Experiment (MMX) in
1887. However, MMX and similar experiments, while correctly showing
null results, are nevertheless based on incorrect assumptions and
premises. It is necessary to re-examine MMX and to liberate science
from the bizarre theories of the last 115 years.
Peter Riedt |
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| Sue...... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:28 pm |
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On Jul 17, 12:16 am, Peri of Pera <rie... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: Photon or Wave Transmission of Light?
Photons are discrete energy points on electromagnetic waves that are
carried through and by a medium that permeates space and gaseous,
liquid and solid matter. The medium is the ether, an elastic solid.
Photons cannot exist without carrier waves. Waves cannot exist without
a medium. Fresnel and Arago demonstrated that these waves are
transverse waves vibrating at right angles to each other.
The wave property of the wave-photon duality accounts for:
Light colour (= wavelength)
Interference (Young’s double slit experiment)
Free intersection of light from different sources
Partial transmission and reflection at the boundary between different
materials (air, water, glass etc)
Polarisation
Distance decrease of illumination (Inverse Square Law)
Reflection
Refraction (Ratio of speed of light in air/water of 1.33 by Michelson
1883 agrees with refractive index of water of 1.33)
Dispersion (due to colour of light ie its wavelength, seen in
rainbows)
Diffraction (Grimaldi 1665, Huygens: Waves travel around corners of
objects)
Doppler Effect (Observed wave FREQUENCY depends on motion of source
and observer)
Radio wave transmission by amplitude and frequency modulation
Photon energy (E=hc/wavelength)
The photon property of the wave-photon duality accounts for:
Aberration
Propagation of light in straight lines
Sharp shadows
Reflection (if elastic collision)
Distance decrease of illumination (Inverse Square Law)
Light pressure
Heating due to light absorption
Photoelectric effect
The ether was abolished by the Michelson-Morley Experiment (MMX) in
1887. However, MMX and similar experiments, while correctly showing
null results, are nevertheless based on incorrect assumptions and
premises. It is necessary to re-examine MMX and to liberate science
from the bizarre theories of the last 115 years.
Peter Riedt
<<Now, does not the prize to Einstein imply
that the Academy recognised the particle
nature of light? The Nobel Committee says
that Einstein had found that the energy exchange
between matter and ether occurs by atoms emitting
or absorbing a quantum of energy,hv .
As a consequence of the new concept of light quanta
(in modern terminology photons) Einstein proposed the
law that an electron emitted from a substance by
monochromatic light with the frequency has to have
a maximum energy of E=hv-p, where p is the energy needed to
remove the electron from the substance. Robert Andrews
Millikan carried out a series of measurements over a
period of 10 years, finally confirming the validity of this
law in 1916 with great accuracy. Millikan had, however,
found the idea of light quanta to be unfamiliar and strange.
The Nobel Committee avoids committing itself to the
particle concept. Light-quanta or with modern terminology,
photons, were explicitly mentioned in the reports on
which the prize decision rested only in connection with
emission and absorption processes. The Committee says
that the most important application of Einstein's photoelectric
law and also its most convincing confirmation has come from
the use Bohr made of it in his theory of atoms, which explains
a vast amount of spectroscopic data. >>
http://nobelprize.org/physics/articles/ekspong/index.html
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emitter_theory
Welcome to the 21st century.
Time-independent Maxwell equations
Time-dependent Maxwell's equations
Relativity and electromagnetism
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/lectures.html
Maxwell's equations in classic electrodynamics
(classic field theory)_
a) Maxwell equations (no movement),
b) Maxwell equations (with moved bodies)
http://www.wolfram-stanek.de/maxwell_equations.htm#maxwell_classic_extended
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:12 pm |
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On Jul 16, 11:16 pm, Peri of Pera <rie... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: Photon or Wave Transmission of Light?
Photons are discrete energy points on electromagnetic waves that are
carried through and by a medium that permeates space and gaseous,
liquid and solid matter.
Well, that's certainly not the photon I know.
Quote: The medium is the ether, an elastic solid.
Photons cannot exist without carrier waves.
Who says?
Quote: Waves cannot exist without
a medium.
Who says?
Quote: Fresnel and Arago demonstrated that these waves are
transverse waves vibrating at right angles to each other.
The wave property of the wave-photon duality accounts for:
Light colour (= wavelength)
Interference (Young’s double slit experiment)
Free intersection of light from different sources
Partial transmission and reflection at the boundary between different
materials (air, water, glass etc)
Polarisation
Distance decrease of illumination (Inverse Square Law)
Reflection
Refraction (Ratio of speed of light in air/water of 1.33 by Michelson
1883 agrees with refractive index of water of 1.33)
Dispersion (due to colour of light ie its wavelength, seen in
rainbows)
Diffraction (Grimaldi 1665, Huygens: Waves travel around corners of
objects)
Doppler Effect (Observed wave FREQUENCY depends on motion of source
and observer)
Radio wave transmission by amplitude and frequency modulation
Photon energy (E=hc/wavelength)
The photon property of the wave-photon duality accounts for:
Aberration
Propagation of light in straight lines
The wave theory accounts for this as well. As far back as Huygens,
centuries ago.
Quote: Sharp shadows
Reflection (if elastic collision)
Wave theory accounts for this as well.
Quote: Distance decrease of illumination (Inverse Square Law)
Wave theory accounts for this as well.
Wave theory accounts for this as well.
Quote: Heating due to light absorption
Wave theory accounts for this as well.
Quote: Photoelectric effect
Ah! At last something that a particle description is needed for!
(There are a few others that you've missed: Compton effect, etc.)
Quote:
The ether was abolished by the Michelson-Morley Experiment (MMX) in
1887. However, MMX and similar experiments, while correctly showing
null results, are nevertheless based on incorrect assumptions and
premises.
What premises or assumptions do you think the MMX is based on?
Quote: It is necessary to re-examine MMX and to liberate science
from the bizarre theories of the last 115 years.
What's bizarre about those theories?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:34 pm |
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On Jul 18, 8:19 pm, PD <TheDraperFam... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Jul 18, 3:31 am, Peri of Pera <rie... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Jul 17, 1:12 pm, PD <TheDraperFam... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 16, 11:16 pm, Peri of Pera <rie... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Photon or Wave Transmission of Light?
Photons are discrete energy points on electromagnetic waves that are
carried through and by a medium that permeates space and gaseous,
liquid and solid matter.
Well, that's certainly not the photon I know.
The medium is the ether, an elastic solid.
Photons cannot exist without carrier waves.
Who says?
Waves cannot exist without
a medium.
Who says?
Fresnel and Arago demonstrated that these waves are
transverse waves vibrating at right angles to each other.
The wave property of the wave-photon duality accounts for:
Light colour (= wavelength)
Interference (Young’s double slit experiment)
Free intersection of light from different sources
Partial transmission and reflection at the boundary between different
materials (air, water, glass etc)
Polarisation
Distance decrease of illumination (Inverse Square Law)
Reflection
Refraction (Ratio of speed of light in air/water of 1.33 by Michelson
1883 agrees with refractive index of water of 1.33)
Dispersion (due to colour of light ie its wavelength, seen in
rainbows)
Diffraction (Grimaldi 1665, Huygens: Waves travel around corners of
objects)
Doppler Effect (Observed wave FREQUENCY depends on motion of source
and observer)
Radio wave transmission by amplitude and frequency modulation
Photon energy (E=hc/wavelength)
The photon property of the wave-photon duality accounts for:
Aberration
Propagation of light in straight lines
The wave theory accounts for this as well. As far back as Huygens,
centuries ago.
Sharp shadows
Reflection (if elastic collision)
Wave theory accounts for this as well.
Distance decrease of illumination (Inverse Square Law)
Wave theory accounts for this as well.
Light pressure
Wave theory accounts for this as well.
Heating due to light absorption
Wave theory accounts for this as well.
Photoelectric effect
Ah! At last something that a particle description is needed for!
(There are a few others that you've missed: Compton effect, etc.)
The ether was abolished by the Michelson-Morley Experiment (MMX) in
1887. However, MMX and similar experiments, while correctly showing
null results, are nevertheless based on incorrect assumptions and
premises.
What premises or assumptions do you think the MMX is based on?
It is necessary to re-examine MMX and to liberate science
from the bizarre theories of the last 115 years.
What's bizarre about those theories?
Peter Riedt- Hide quoted text -
PD,
You agree with many light phenomena being transmitted by waves but
still believe in photons.
Yup.
In time, the photoelectric effect and the
few others will be explained by a pure wave theory.
That may be true. Hasn't happened yet. You seem confident, though you
don't have something to offer in that vein.
Nobody however
will ever be able to explain how light waves can exist without a
carrier medium, the ether, because waves do need a medium for
transmission.
No, they don't. Any physical entity that is governed by laws that take
the mathematical generic form of a wave equation will have wave
solutions. This is a case where mathematics has power, because it can
predict waves occurring where none were expected physically because of
the absence of the medium. The physical laws in this case are laws
controlling the behavior of *fields*, completely independent of the
presence of a medium, and because those laws take the form of a wave
equation, the wave solution exhibits itself in real life.
It is also true that the laws governing many media *also* take the
form of a wave equation, which is why so many media exhibit wave
phenomena.
But just because so many mammals give live birth to their young --
dogs, cats, zebras, bats, whales -- doesn't mean that ALL mammals give
live birth to their young. Witness the echidna.
PD- Hide quoted text -
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PD,
Perhaps there is such a thing as wave transmission of light without a
medium as you believe. However it doesn't follow necessarily that
photons exist side by side with waves just because they are more
convenient at this point of time to explain some aspects of the
behaviour of light. Moreover, scientific dogma, always entrenched
strongly in the mainstream scientific community, must not be allowed
to hinder scientific progress.
Peter Riedt |
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