BradGuth wrote:

deferential snip

So, when exactly to the year did Earth obtain its seasonal tilt and
that pesky Selene/moon of ours that's global warming us to death?

Don't know, wrt Crown of Thorns, but off the top of my head probably
close to the BIG Archaean Proterozoic boundary (Banded Iron Genesis).

I don't know for certain either, but I have my deductive notions, even
if they are a bit dyslexic encrypted so that the mainstream status quo
can't ever figure me out.

Keep out of that main stream there Brad, or you'll have Stu's canoe
bearing down on you..



At any rate, Earth is still shrinking and obviously eroding somewhat
faster than the cubic meters worth of dry land is emerging above our
global warming sea level.

I'm not sure I can go along with this shrinking, really.. You mean
because it's cooling down? Well, ...trrue, ..you just need to take a
glance at the crotch of all the brass monkeys walking about down here
to see how cold it is, ..but freezing the proverbial is one thing,
lifting up the Himalayas is quite another....

This topic is also Selene/moon related, such as the supposed volcanic
or lava fused little basalt spheres that researchers only now claim to
be of moon rock, that which supposedly their spendy (public owned)
mass spectrometers having detected as containing 260,000 ppb of good
old h2o. (that's not necessarily per given mass of moon rock, but of
the given mass of each little portion of rock containing such geode
spheres)

I'm looking at you askance here, Brad, ..because already I detect a
facility for numbers that will have guru Stu bearing down on you from
the main stream. Look out, in case he paddles on you.

I can accept this mainstream deductive interpretation, because
sufficient geode sequestered remains of moon water shouldn't be all
that unlikely, especially if our Selene/moon had came to us as an icy
proto-moon from the Sirius star/solar system, or even from our own icy
Oort cloud.

Back to one of my previous questions that you and others of your
expertise kind, by rights should have to offer the best available
science.

Nope. I really don't have a clue when it comes to numbers. Given
time, I can count to any number you like, but I start at zero.

What is the Selene/moon tidal flex heating of Earth worth? (117.68e3
tw.h)

If the likes of Io and most other moons of Jupiter and Saturn are
mainstream accepted as getting tidal flex heated in addition to
whatever’s the atomic/thorium core reactions taking place, then it
stands to good enough peer replicated reasoning that our elliptical
orbiting Selene/moon with its ongoing average * 2e20 N/sec (2.04e19
kgf/sec) * of orbital tidal force is unavoidably receiving as well as
contributing to the internal and surface heating of our extremely
fluid Earth.

I really have nothing to say about tidal flux because I don't
understand how mass manages to exert force over those sorts of
distances. Any distance in fact. I can see Brownian motion in my
tea, but that's basically electric, and forgive me, ..but I don't even
understand what that is. Never did. And from this point in time
don't see what going back to school, or reading a book will do to
help. Especially when they're all taught or written by the likes of a
Landy. They all say the same sort of thing, that there's only two of
them do much. I've always thought that a bit suss, ..why just
two? ...and why opposite? Why don't we have ones that are sort
of., ..you know, .three-quarters or five eighths, say. I look
suspiciously at things that are nicely rounded up like that. + -
indeed. What's that supposed to mean anyway?

Upon this terrestrial Earth, at the surface we seem have these fully
accepted sorts of basic force to energy conversions to work with.

1 kgf.m.s = 9.80665 Joules
1 kgf.m.s = 9.295e-8 therm
1 kgf.m.s = .00980665 kj
1 kgf.m.s = 2.72407e-6 kw.h
1 kgf.m.h = 9.80655e-3 kw.h

If we took 50% of the hourly tidal force as converted into geothermal
energy, we’d get 2.04e19 / 2 * 9.80655e-3 = 11.768e16 kw.h (117.68e15
kw.h or 117.68e6 tw.h).

Jesus Christ!

How about our taking just a highly conservative 0.1% of that, which
gets us all the way down to the dull tidal flexing roar of just
117.68e3 terawatt hours worth of continuous geothermal heating via
tidal flex. Surely our absolutely impressive Selene/moon with its
fairly robust ratio to Earth is worth at least 0.05% of the 2e20 N/
sec, of which offers * 117.68e3 tw.h * in tidal flex heating (aka
global warming and perhaps loads of geophysical flex morphing) seems
likely, as after all, that’s 230 w/m2 (excluding vertical terrain
factors) but otherwise it’s not very much applied energy per cubic
meter of Earth’s volume (1.084e21 m3 [excluding our wet atmosphere])
is merely 108.56e-6 w/m3.

Fuck me !!

If I’ve incorrectly calculated any this, then simply offer us your
improved or more correct rendition of this geothermal heating via
tidal flexing.

Brad, ...BradGuth, .. If you carry on like this I'll need to get
you a ticket on Trolley-Dosser Stuart's Canoe, ..and then Gawd only
knows where you will end up.... !!!!!!!!

Our Selene/moon is wet, so to speak. Somewhere under that thick and
tough old crust there’s water to behold.

Water Discovered in Moon Rock Samples / By Jeremy Hsu of Space.com
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380148,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380148,00.html#

http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19926644.200-now-the-moon-rev...
““They concluded the moon's mantle has between 260 and 700 ppm of
water. "This is very surprising, because for 40 years people have
studied lunar rocks and no one found any water," says Saal. "We got
lucky."”

DARPA damage-control:
There’s little if any scientific luck about it. 260,000 ppb or 260
ppm as found within such Lunar volcanic or lava glasses is way more
than necessary for having accomplished good enough mass spectrometer
readings as of 50 years ago, and especially from the more recent era
of those newer than 40 year old samples, via our supposed NASA/Apollo
first hand extractions of such moon rock.

BTW; where exactly was our DARPA cartel swarm of such crack NASA/
Apollo “right stuff” hiding all of those supposed lunar “spheres of
volcanic glass”? How the hell could such fundamental geology not have
been mass spectrometer analyzed until now?

I’ll buy that our early DARPA may not have had the best capability of
detecting down to one ppb at their cloak and dagger disposal, but they
would have more than had such technology easily nailed down to at
least the resolution of detecting one ppm, and of those recently
reported 260 ppm readings were not even all that well hidden from
view, as some if not many of those moon rocks and glass spheres had
previously been cut and sliced every which way imaginable, as well as
supposedly having been optically magnified to the max, as well as
otherwise electron microscope viewed from every possible angle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_spectrometry
There's simply no plausible scientific way that our DARPA and of their
vast army of NASA/Apollo wizards and brown-nosed minions (working with
essentially unlimited funds and nothing but the very best of global
expertise and technology resources) could have missed such obvious
signs of lava glass sphere encapsulated water vapor. After all, it's
not like those moon rocks had Muslim WMD that never existed in the
first place.

Of course, from the unobstructed lunar orbit as well as from all of
their EVA’s, somehow they’d managed to entirely lose any sighting of
Venus at better than twice as bright as Earth, and better than 4 times
as bright to the unfiltered Kodak eye.

Since those mass spectrometers of sufficient resolution clearly
existed, are these DARPA folks suggesting they didn't have the
necessary heat for vaporising such small bits of lava/volcanic glass/
rock?

http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/ms/history.html
“The next major development was that of gas chromatography and its
coupling to mass spectrometry. This allowed, for the first time, the
analysis of mixtures of analytes without laborious separation by hand.
The development of GC-MS was the trigger for the development of modern
mass spectrometry. In 1956, the first biologically important molecules
were successfully analysed.”

Are we saying that our Zionist/Nazi DARPA was technology deprived, or
too snookered and dumbfounded to have known any better?

You folks might care to realize that uncovering such raw h2o as found
within the near perfect vacuum of space has a rather nifty ISP to
offer, and I’m not talking about the internet service provider kind of
ISP.

Imagine, uncovering 500 ppm of essentially rocket fuel within the
volcanic/lava glass portions of our naked Selene/moon surface (that’s
500 ppm more than Mars has to offer). It’s like discovering the holy
grail is just hiding in plain sight, as one of the Vatican urinals.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

BradGuth wrote:
On Jul 17, 10:53 pm, don findlay <d... at (no spam) tower.net.au> wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On Jul 16, 3:27 am, don findlay <d... at (no spam) tower.net.au> wrote:
BradGuth wrote:

deferential snip

So, when exactly to the year did Earth obtain its seasonal tilt and
that pesky Selene/moon of ours that's global warming us to death?

Don't know, wrt Crown of Thorns, but off the top of my head probably
close to the BIG Archaean Proterozoic boundary (Banded Iron Genesis).

I don't know for certain either, but I have my deductive notions, even
if they are a bit dyslexic encrypted so that the mainstream status quo
can't ever figure me out.

Keep out of that main stream there Brad, or you'll have Stu's canoe
bearing down on you..

At any rate, Earth is still shrinking and obviously eroding somewhat
faster than the cubic meters worth of dry land is emerging above our
global warming sea level.

I'm not sure I can go along with this shrinking, really.. You mean
because it's cooling down? Well, ...trrue, ..you just need to take a
glance at the crotch of all the brass monkeys walking about down here
to see how cold it is, ..but freezing the proverbial is one thing,
lifting up the Himalayas is quite another....

The cooling of Earth's innards and surface erosions are not making the
average diameter or volumetric sphere of Earth any larger. I can
argue that Himalaya lifting may have required an initial antipode, and
ever since it has been the cooling of Earth's core that has added to
such elevations all around this crazy planet that is otherwise as a
whole shrinking before our dumbfounded eyes.

The problem is this confounded crust though, which all fits back
together again on an Earth half the size - and the structures engraved
in it by which you can do this retrofitting.

I'm looking at you askance here, Brad, ..because already I detect a
facility for numbers that will have guru Stu bearing down on you from
the main stream. Look out, in case he paddles on you.

If numbers are too dark and scary, then perhaps we should become
Muslim, or at least Mormon.

'We'? Many people here are convinced I am moron enough already, ..in
broad day light. (What's muslin got to do with it?) (Confucius he
say - "There are more ways of recognising a cat than counting its
whiskers.")

I can accept this mainstream deductive interpretation, because
sufficient geode sequestered remains of moon water shouldn't be all
that unlikely, especially if our Selene/moon had came to us as an icy
proto-moon from the Sirius star/solar system, or even from our own icy
Oort cloud.

Back to one of my previous questions that you and others of your
expertise kind, by rights should have to offer the best available
science.

Nope. I really don't have a clue when it comes to numbers. Given
time, I can count to any number you like, but I start at zero.

Then you know as much as I do. Why not for scientific sport, try
giving this one your best SWAG.

Science is not a sport, ..but serious stuff. Without it, it is not
possible to publish.

In Google/NOVA Usenet/newsgroups it's entirely joke worthy at best.
At worst it's an infowar that's all DARPA faith-based motivated and
otherwise cultivated. To publish revision and remorse are simply not
allowed by those in charge, period.

What is the Selene/moon tidal flex heating of Earth worth? (117..68e3
tw.h)

If the likes of Io and most other moons of Jupiter and Saturn are
mainstream accepted as getting tidal flex heated in addition to
whatever�s the atomic/thorium core reactions taking place, then it
stands to good enough peer replicated reasoning that our elliptical
orbiting Selene/moon with its ongoing average * 2e20 N/sec (2.04e19
kgf/sec) * of orbital tidal force is unavoidably receiving as well as
contributing to the internal and surface heating of our extremely
fluid Earth.

I really have nothing to say about tidal flux because I don't
understand how mass manages to exert force over those sorts of
distances. Any distance in fact. I can see Brownian motion in my
tea, but that's basically electric, and forgive me, ..but I don't even
understand what that is. Never did. And from this point in time
don't see what going back to school, or reading a book will do to
help. Especially when they're all taught or written by the likes of a
Landy. They all say the same sort of thing, that there's only two of
them do much. I've always thought that a bit suss, ..why just
two? ...and why opposite? Why don't we have ones that are sort
of., ..you know, .three-quarters or five eighths, say. I look
suspiciously at things that are nicely rounded up like that. + -
indeed. What's that supposed to mean anyway?

It means we've needed to put a few of our spendy public owned
supercomputers to work on these complex simulations.

Upon this terrestrial Earth, at the surface we seem have these fully
accepted sorts of basic force to energy conversions to work with.

1 kgf.m.s = 9.80665 Joules
1 kgf.m.s = 9.295e-8 therm
1 kgf.m.s = .00980665 kj
1 kgf.m.s = 2.72407e-6 kw.h
1 kgf.m.h = 9.80655e-3 kw.h

If we took 50% of the hourly tidal force as converted into geothermal
energy, we�d get 2.04e19 / 2 * 9.80655e-3 = 11.768e16 kw.h (117.68e15
kw.h or 117.68e6 tw.h).

Jesus Christ!

I know, it seems like a lot of ongoing energy, but then I can't say
with any certainty if it's equally divided between our Selene/moon and
Earth. Perhaps nearly 100% of that tidal flex is going directly into
Earth, minus whatever is taken up by our sun. The older than Earth
Selene/moon itself seems rather thick crusted and thus kind of morph/
flex inert, so that perhaps not much of this mutual tidal radius force
is likely morphing or flexing all that much of Selene's innards, and
especially because there's no Selene spin to work with.

How about our taking just a highly conservative 0.1% of that, which
gets us all the way down to the dull tidal flexing roar of just
117.68e3 terawatt hours worth of continuous geothermal heating via
tidal flex. Surely our absolutely impressive Selene/moon with its
fairly robust ratio to Earth is worth at least 0.05% of the 2e20 N/
sec, of which offers * 117.68e3 tw.h * in tidal flex heating (aka
global warming and perhaps loads of geophysical flex morphing) seems
likely, as after all, that�s 230 w/m2 (excluding vertical terrain
factors) but otherwise it�s not very much applied energy per cubic
meter of Earth�s volume (1.084e21 m3 [excluding our wet atmosphere])
is merely 108.56e-6 w/m3.

Fuck me !!

Trust me, I wouldn't do that. But thanks for the offer.

What's trust got to do with it? I said Jesus Christ.

Now you're into playing word games, just like all the other DARPA
spooks, moles and brown-nosed minions. What if anything makes you
different than DARPA?

DARPA science is all about disinformation and misinformation in order
to keep control. Ed's stirring the pot with all those entrails from
Mars, but I'm advertising good responsible oil at a reasonable price -
namely free. There should be more uproar about that than there is,
but nobody seems to be complaining either, ..so somebody must be
buying it...