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Harold A. Climer...
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:10 pm
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The earth's magnetic field has weakened and reversed many times in the
past. Approximately every 250.000 years on average. This is how Sea
Floor Spreading was discovered because of the locked-in orientation of
the earth's magnetic field in solidifying magma near the Spreading
Center of the oceanic plates.
What is so different about this new research that has everyone
knickers in a knot.?
Scientists have been saying for quite a while now that a reversal is
coming soon( In geologic time that is). It has been about 780,000
years since the last reversal, so we are a bit overdue. BTW the
magnetic field has never completely disappeared during these previous
reversals.
What this has to do with either the North or South Geographic Pole
pointing towards the sun instead of the way it is now is beyond me.
Harold A. Climer
Dept Of Physics Geology & Astronomy
U.T. Chattanooga
Room 406A Engineering,Math & Computer Sicence Building
615 McCallie Ave.
Chattanooga TN 37403
Harold-Climer at (no spam) utc.edu
Timberwoof...
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:18 pm
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In article <3bqc74luu7jda9bflp3idgrskp8o3j99fr at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
Harold A. Climer <Harold-Climer at (no spam) utc.edu> wrote:

Quote:
The earth's magnetic field has weakened and reversed many times in the
past. Approximately every 250.000 years on average. This is how Sea
Floor Spreading was discovered because of the locked-in orientation of
the earth's magnetic field in solidifying magma near the Spreading
Center of the oceanic plates.
What is so different about this new research that has everyone
knickers in a knot.?
Scientists have been saying for quite a while now that a reversal is
coming soon( In geologic time that is). It has been about 780,000
years since the last reversal, so we are a bit overdue. BTW the
magnetic field has never completely disappeared during these previous
reversals.

There have recently been a program on Nova and an article in Scientific
American covering this topic. It seems that the magnetic field doesn't
disappear; rather it develops more and more "anomalies" until the field
resembles swiss cheese with lots of local N and S poles. Eventually the
multiple poles coalesce, leaving just the one S and N ... but reversed
from the previous configuration.

There was a guy who wrote a computer simulation of this process and left
it running for months ... after a vacation he returned to find that his
magnetic field had switched directions. He looked back at the data and
found the details of the process.

Someone else has been looking through British Admiralty charts of
magnetic anomalies. He says they're getting worse ... and, of course,
the magnetic poles are moving quickly.

Quote:
What this has to do with either the North or South Geographic Pole
pointing towards the sun instead of the way it is now is beyond me.

And the rest of us!

Quote:
Harold A. Climer
Dept Of Physics Geology & Astronomy
U.T. Chattanooga
Room 406A Engineering,Math & Computer Sicence Building
615 McCallie Ave.
Chattanooga TN 37403
Harold-Climer at (no spam) utc.edu

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"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
Weatherlawyer...
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:15 am
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On Jul 11, 2:18 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s... at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>
wrote:
Quote:
In article <3bqc74luu7jda9bflp3idgrskp8o3j9... at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
Harold A. Climer <Harold-Cli... at (no spam) utc.edu> wrote:

The earth's magnetic field has weakened and reversed many times in the
past. Approximately every 250.000 years on average. This is how Sea
Floor Spreading was discovered because of the locked-in orientation of
the earth's magnetic field in solidifying magma near the Spreading
Center of the oceanic plates.
What is so different about this new research that has everyone
knickers in a knot.?
Scientists have been saying for quite a while now that a reversal is
coming soon( In geologic time that is). It has been about 780,000
years since the last reversal, so we are a bit overdue. BTW the
magnetic field has never completely disappeared during these previous
reversals.

There have recently been a program on Nova and an article in Scientific
American covering this topic. It seems that the magnetic field doesn't
disappear; rather it develops more and more "anomalies" until the field
resembles swiss cheese with lots of local N and S poles. Eventually the
multiple poles coalesce, leaving just the one S and N ... but reversed
from the previous configuration.

There was a guy who wrote a computer simulation of this process and left
it running for months ... after a vacation he returned to find that his
magnetic field had switched directions. He looked back at the data and
found the details of the process.

Someone else has been looking through British Admiralty charts of
magnetic anomalies. He says they're getting worse ... and, of course,
the magnetic poles are moving quickly.

What this has to do with either the North or South Geographic Pole
pointing towards the sun instead of the way it is now is beyond me.

And the rest of us!

The earth appears to be a fluid. This may be a conception of the
ballistic forced on earth science in lieu of the true explanation or
at least a better one. I can't see any mechanism that would cause
plates to fly one over the other, more; provide energy input to the
mechanism that has to be disposed of as earthquakes.

It would appear that the moon in captured rotation, though it spins
twenty seven times further than the earth, only one twenty-seventh as
often, has no appreciable magnetism.

And this is due to the material composition?

Worse, we know that all material loses its magnetism at cherry red
heat, that is at about 500 degrees Centigrade. And that the proof of
the changes in this so called magnetic shift is supplied by the action
of volcanic effluvia.

Is it really so?
Timberwoof...
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:26 pm
Guest
In article
<943fd4d2-949c-4798-80d8-c68b88944290 at (no spam) r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Weatherlawyer <Weatherlawyer at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Jul 11, 2:18 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s... at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article <3bqc74luu7jda9bflp3idgrskp8o3j9... at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
Harold A. Climer <Harold-Cli... at (no spam) utc.edu> wrote:

The earth's magnetic field has weakened and reversed many times in the
past. Approximately every 250.000 years on average. This is how Sea
Floor Spreading was discovered because of the locked-in orientation of
the earth's magnetic field in solidifying magma near the Spreading
Center of the oceanic plates.
What is so different about this new research that has everyone
knickers in a knot.?
Scientists have been saying for quite a while now that a reversal is
coming soon( In geologic time that is). It has been about 780,000
years since the last reversal, so we are a bit overdue. BTW the
magnetic field has never completely disappeared during these previous
reversals.

There have recently been a program on Nova and an article in Scientific
American covering this topic. It seems that the magnetic field doesn't
disappear; rather it develops more and more "anomalies" until the field
resembles swiss cheese with lots of local N and S poles. Eventually the
multiple poles coalesce, leaving just the one S and N ... but reversed
from the previous configuration.

There was a guy who wrote a computer simulation of this process and left
it running for months ... after a vacation he returned to find that his
magnetic field had switched directions. He looked back at the data and
found the details of the process.

Someone else has been looking through British Admiralty charts of
magnetic anomalies. He says they're getting worse ... and, of course,
the magnetic poles are moving quickly.

What this has to do with either the North or South Geographic Pole
pointing towards the sun instead of the way it is now is beyond me.

And the rest of us!

The earth appears to be a fluid.

Well, no, not if you interpret seismic waves the way they behave in the
laboratory. Pressure waves travel through solids and liquid; shear waves
travel through solids and not liquids. There is a fairly well defined
region inside the earth which does not pass shear waves. It is believed,
with good reason, to be liquid while the rest is solid.

Quote:
This may be a conception of the
ballistic forced on earth science in lieu of the true explanation or
at least a better one.

Like what?

Quote:
I can't see any mechanism that would cause
plates to fly one over the other,

Hm. Well, I read the geology textbooks and the online descriptions of
mantle convection and it seems good enough for me. (I assume you mean
"fly" in a figurative sense. And they don't really do it "over one
another," but I'll grant you some poetic license because you're trying
to make a point by setting up strawmen.)

Quote:
more; provide energy input to the
mechanism that has to be disposed of as earthquakes.

Didn't you read the chapters on current planetary formation theory? And
didn't you read the part about how radioactive potassium heats the core?

Quote:
It would appear that the moon in captured rotation, though it spins
twenty seven times further than the earth,

than what?

Quote:
only one twenty-seventh as
often, has no appreciable magnetism.

Well, yes, it would *appear* so to anyone carrying a magnetometer, as
the Apollo astronauts did.

How long do you think a month is?

Quote:
And this is due to the material composition?

Yes, if you include in that its state. The moon is not dense enough to
have much of a core, and it's small enough that whatever there was
cooled and solidified a long time ago.

Quote:
Worse, we know that all material loses its magnetism at cherry red
heat, that is at about 500 degrees Centigrade.

Well, if you melt a magnet, that would happen. If you understood how
magnetism comes about, you'd know why. Then comes the interesting fact
that if you spin molten iron, it will generate electrical flow and a
magnetic field. Which ties in nicely to what's going on on Earth.

Quote:
And that the proof of
the changes in this so called magnetic shift is supplied by the action
of volcanic effluvia.

You seem to be talking about the changes in magnetism recorded in the
seafloor around spreading centers.

Quote:
Is it really so?

Yeah. Why not?

It seems to me that someone who keeps himself ignorant of scientific
knowledge, or who reads a little bit here and there and jumps to simple
delusions, might not understand how such things work and might even want
to deny that they are so. But it really doesn't take all that much basic
understanding of physics and chemistry to get a handle on what's going
on. A basic high school education supplemented by some college and a
healthy dose of good popular science books and magazines should be
enough. But I'm sure no one here fits the ignorant description I just
gave, right?

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Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
Weatherlawyer...
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:16 pm
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On Jul 12, 2:26 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s... at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>
wrote:
Quote:

How long do you think a month is?

30 degrees.

You?
Timberwoof...
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:48 am
Guest
In article
<8c1c9636-1d29-4850-a5f2-40d994e49d0b at (no spam) k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Weatherlawyer <Weatherlawyer at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Jul 12, 2:26 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s... at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:

How long do you think a month is?

30 degrees.

You?

Seems I stumped you so badly with that question that you didn't want to
deal with any of the rest of what I wrote.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
Weatherlawyer...
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:14 am
Guest
On Jul 12, 8:48 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s... at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>
wrote:
Quote:
In article
8c1c9636-1d29-4850-a5f2-40d994e49... at (no spam) k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,

Weatherlawyer <Weatherlaw... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 2:26 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s... at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:

How long do you think a month is?

30 degrees.

You?

Seems I stumped you so badly with that question that you didn't want to
deal with any of the rest of what I wrote.

Hardly. I didn't wish to embarrass you. You provide enough of that for
the amusement of all interested in that as it is.

Do you happen to know how long a month is now that you have the
answer?
Timberwoof...
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:35 pm
Guest
In article
<931b326b-c420-4bd4-9539-6a003348e170 at (no spam) p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Weatherlawyer <Weatherlawyer at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Jul 12, 8:48 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s... at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article
8c1c9636-1d29-4850-a5f2-40d994e49... at (no spam) k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,

Weatherlawyer <Weatherlaw... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 2:26 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s... at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:

How long do you think a month is?

30 degrees.

You?

Seems I stumped you so badly with that question that you didn't want to
deal with any of the rest of what I wrote.

Hardly. I didn't wish to embarrass you.

Do your worst!

Quote:
You provide enough of that for
the amusement of all interested in that as it is.

Uh huh. Right.

Quote:
Do you happen to know how long a month is now that you have the
answer?

Sidereal, synodic, anomalistic, tropical, or draconic?

I'm not sure which of those could be answered as "30 degrees".

if 365.256 days = 360 degrees, then "30 degrees" could be taken to mean
30.4 days, which isn't any of those. One of them is somewhat close, if
you meant days.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
Weatherlawyer...
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:11 am
Guest
On Jul 12, 7:35 pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s... at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>
wrote:
Quote:
In article
931b326b-c420-4bd4-9539-6a003348e... at (no spam) p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,



Weatherlawyer <Weatherlaw... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 8:48 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s... at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article
8c1c9636-1d29-4850-a5f2-40d994e49... at (no spam) k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,

Weatherlawyer <Weatherlaw... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 2:26 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s... at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:

How long do you think a month is?

30 degrees.

You?

Seems I stumped you so badly with that question that you didn't want to
deal with any of the rest of what I wrote.

Hardly. I didn't wish to embarrass you.

Do your worst!

Strangely and unintentionally, it seems that I did:

Quote:
Do you happen to know how long a month is now that you have the
answer?

Sidereal, synodic, anomalistic, tropical, or draconic?

I'm not sure which of those could be answered as "30 degrees".

if 365.256 days = 360 degrees, then "30 degrees" could be taken to mean
30.4 days, which isn't any of those. One of them is somewhat close, if
you meant days.
rick++...
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:49 am
Guest
On Jul 10, 2:10 pm, Harold A. Climer <Harold-Cli... at (no spam) utc.edu> wrote:

Quote:
Scientists have been saying for quite a while now that a reversal is
coming soon( In geologic time that is). It has been about 780,000
years since the last reversal, so we are a bit overdue. BTW the
magnetic field has never completely disappeared during these previous
reversals.

More precisely, real scientists have discovered the magnetic field
"flickers" like the flame of candle. So it is unclear the 8% decrease
in intensity since Gauss first measured the field stength is a flicker
or a trend.
Weatherlawyer...
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:05 pm
Guest
On Jul 12, 2:26 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s... at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>
wrote:
Quote:
943fd4d2-949c-4798-80d8-c68b88944... at (no spam) r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Weatherlawyer <Weatherlaw... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

The earth appears to be a fluid.

Well, no, not if you interpret seismic waves the way they behave in the
laboratory. Pressure waves travel through solids and liquid; shear waves
travel through solids and not liquids. There is a fairly well defined
region inside the earth which does not pass shear waves. It is believed,
with good reason, to be liquid while the rest is solid.

Well, yes, if you interpret them the way they behave in the planet.

Quote:
This may be a conception of the observed ballistics forced on earth science in
lieu of a more likely explanation.

Like what?

Unfortunately the pseudo science of geology is so fraught with
misconceptions about basic physics that the ideas of the "three body
problem" are totally divorced from it.

Where would you like me to start, assuming you have the ability of
paying the slightest attention to anything I say?

That WOULD be one small step for mankind.
A gawping chasm awaits you.

Now gird up your loins, channel all you abilities and blow you bayne
cell to bits, you won't miss it.
 
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