Someone can tell me what the following title means exactly ?:
Luftslottet som sprängdes

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Someone can tell me what the following title means exactly ?:
Luftslottet som sprängdes

Hi Sébastien,

"Luftslott", as an idiom, refers to an unfeasible product of
imagination. As an example, if I were planning to charge
translation clients EUR 1 per word, and therefore retire as a
millionaire in ten years time, I would be building myself luftslott
(the term is often used in plural, even when referring to a single
concept).

"Sprängdes" is the passive preterit of "spränga", which means to
blast, to blow something up, as in causing to explode. Literally,
"slottet som sprängdes" == "the castle that was blown up".

I have not read the book in question. Doing so might perhaps reveal
useful context.

Thor Kottelin wrote:
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Someone can tell me what the following title means exactly ?:
Luftslottet som sprängdes

Hi Sébastien,

"Luftslott", as an idiom, refers to an unfeasible product of
imagination. As an example, if I were planning to charge
translation clients EUR 1 per word, and therefore retire as a
millionaire in ten years time, I would be building myself luftslott
(the term is often used in plural, even when referring to a single
concept).

TK:

Very good. And "castle in the air" would be the English equivalent
with the footnote that the customary contextual phrase for that is
"Building castles in the air." "Pipe dream" would be a rough
synonym, having the added benefit
of the fact that the associated smoking clouds can be often
fancifully conceived as
resembling many things, castles included. Your comment below on
"sprängdes"
puts me exactly in mind of "billowing castles in the air".

Welcome and regards,

Edward Hennessey

Edward Hennessey wrote:
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Someone can tell me what the following title means exactly ?:
Luftslottet som sprängdes

Hi Sébastien,

"Luftslott", as an idiom, refers to an unfeasible product of
imagination. As an example, if I were planning to charge
translation clients EUR 1 per word, and therefore retire as a
millionaire in ten years time, I would be building myself luftslott
(the term is often used in plural, even when referring to a single
concept).

TK:

Very good. And "castle in the air" would be the English equivalent
with the footnote that the customary contextual phrase for that is
"Building castles in the air." "Pipe dream" would be a rough
synonym, having the added benefit
of the fact that the associated smoking clouds can be often
fancifully conceived as
resembling many things, castles included. Your comment below on
"sprängdes"
puts me exactly in mind of "billowing castles in the air".

Welcome and regards,

Edward Hennessey

Cf. "Cloud Cuckoo Land" an idealistic and unrealistic proposition, notion
or state.

Hi,
Someone can tell me what the following title means exactly ?:
Luftslottet som sprängdes

From what I understand, the English translation will not be available until
2010. Until final decisions are made, "Castles in the Sky" has been adopted
as the working title for the English version.
--
Tony Vella
Ottawa, Ontario, Canadahttp://amedialuz.shorturl.com/

From what I understand, the English translation will not be available
until
2010. Until final decisions are made, "Castles in the Sky" has been
adopted
as the working title for the English version.
--
Tony Vella
Ottawa, Ontario, Canadahttp://amedialuz.shorturl.com/

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Hi,
Someone can tell me what the following title means exactly ?:
Luftslottet som sprängdes

L'idée de "luftslott" se traduit par "château en Espagne" en
français. Littéralement donc "Le château en Espagne qui a explosé".

Pierre

Pierre Jelenc wrote:
Sébastien de Mapias <sglrigaud at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
Hi,
Someone can tell me what the following title means exactly ?:
Luftslottet som sprängdes
L'idée de "luftslott" se traduit par "château en Espagne" en
français. Littéralement donc "Le château en Espagne qui a explosé".

Pierre

PJ: schl

"Castle in Spain" is, indeed, a rare phrase in English and the ancestral
one to
"castle in the air". This may derive from various sources on which either
research or
intelligent conjecture by parties in Spain or France may shed more light.
One possibility
is invidious, the French may have rightly or wrongly conceived that castles
were of
rare occurence in Spain.

The other, more intriguing idea is that there the
phenomenon
of a fata morgana--or something similar--was observed by the French which
resembled
castles in the air over the Pyrenees appearing to be in Spain. Other
explanations are welcome.

It would be interesting to see if kindred phrases like luftshlösser or
schlösser im
Mond will be found in the German translation.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

Pierre Jelenc wrote:
S�bastien de Mapias  <sglrig... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
Hi,
Someone can tell me what the following title means exactly ?:
Luftslottet som spr�ngdes

L'id�e de "luftslott" se traduit par "ch�teau en Espagne" en
fran�ais. Litt�ralement donc "Le ch�teau en Espagne qui a explos�".

Pierre

PJ:  schl

"Castle in Spain" is, indeed, a rare phrase in English and the ancestral
one to
"castle in the air". This may derive from various sources on which either
research or
intelligent conjecture by parties in Spain or France may shed more light.
One possibility
is invidious, the French may have rightly or wrongly conceived that castles
were of
rare occurence in Spain. The other, more intriguing idea is that there the
phenomenon
of a fata morgana--or something similar--was observed by the French which
resembled
castles in the air over the Pyrenees appearing to be in Spain. Other
explanations are welcome.

It would be interesting to see if kindred phrases like luftshl�sser or
schl�sser im
Mond will be found in the German translation.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

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Pierre Jelenc wrote:
S�bastien de Mapias  <sglrig... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
Hi,
Someone can tell me what the following title means exactly ?:
Luftslottet som spr�ngdes

L'id�e de "luftslott" se traduit par "ch�teau en Espagne" en
fran�ais. Litt�ralement donc "Le ch�teau en Espagne qui a explos�".

Pierre

PJ:  schl

"Castle in Spain" is, indeed, a rare phrase in English and the ancestral
one to
"castle in the air". This may derive from various sources on which either
research or
intelligent conjecture by parties in Spain or France may shed more light.
One possibility
is invidious, the French may have rightly or wrongly conceived that castles
were of
rare occurence in Spain. The other, more intriguing idea is that there the
phenomenon
of a fata morgana--or something similar--was observed by the French which
resembled
castles in the air over the Pyrenees appearing to be in Spain. Other
explanations are welcome.

It would be interesting to see if kindred phrases like luftshl�sser or
schl�sser im
Mond will be found in the German translation.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

Hello Edward

I have already translated this expression from Swedish to English and
I remember that I used the expression

"Pie in the sky"

It worked well in a dialogue but maybe isn't suitable for the title of
a book.

But what I wanted to say was that it is always interesting to look for
the origins of an expression but that we can't assume 100% percent
that it has a 'tangible' explanation.

Castles in the sky maybe but pie in the sky???

I have not read this book but Larsson was a socialist and in Sweden

On Jul 8, 1:28 am, "Edward  Hennessey"





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Pierre Jelenc wrote:
S�bastien de Mapias  <sglrig... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
Hi,
Someone can tell me what the following title means exactly ?:
Luftslottet som spr�ngdes

L'id�e de "luftslott" se traduit par "ch�teau en Espagne" en
fran�ais. Litt�ralement donc "Le ch�teau en Espagne qui a explos�".

Pierre

PJ:  schl

"Castle in Spain" is, indeed, a rare phrase in English and the ancestral
one to
"castle in the air". This may derive from various sources on which either
research or
intelligent conjecture by parties in Spain or France may shed more light.
One possibility
is invidious, the French may have rightly or wrongly conceived that castles
were of
rare occurence in Spain. The other, more intriguing idea is that there the
phenomenon
of a fata morgana--or something similar--was observed by the French which
resembled
castles in the air over the Pyrenees appearing to be in Spain. Other
explanations are welcome.

It would be interesting to see if kindred phrases like luftshl�sser or
schl�sser im
Mond will be found in the German translation.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

Hello Edward

I have already translated this expression from Swedish to English and
I remember that I used the expression

"Pie in the sky"

It worked well in a dialogue but maybe isn't suitable for the title of
a book.

But what I wanted to say was that it is always interesting to look for
the origins of an expression but that we can't assume 100% percent
that it has a 'tangible' explanation.

Castles in the sky maybe but pie in the sky???

Regards

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Pierre Jelenc wrote:
S�bastien de Mapias  <sglrig... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
Hi,
Someone can tell me what the following title means exactly ?:
Luftslottet som spr�ngdes

L'id�e de "luftslott" se traduit par "ch�teau en Espagne" en
fran�ais. Litt�ralement donc "Le ch�teau en Espagne qui a explos�".

Pierre

PJ:  schl

"Castle in Spain" is, indeed, a rare phrase in English and the ancestral
one to
"castle in the air". This may derive from various sources on which either
research or
intelligent conjecture by parties in Spain or France may shed more light.
One possibility
is invidious, the French may have rightly or wrongly conceived that castles
were of
rare occurence in Spain. The other, more intriguing idea is that there the
phenomenon
of a fata morgana--or something similar--was observed by the French which
resembled
castles in the air over the Pyrenees appearing to be in Spain. Other
explanations are welcome.

It would be interesting to see if kindred phrases like luftshl�sser or
schl�sser im
Mond will be found in the German translation.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

Hello Edward

I have already translated this expression from Swedish to English and
I remember that I used the expression

"Pie in the sky"

It worked well in a dialogue but maybe isn't suitable for the title of
a book.

But what I wanted to say was that it is always interesting to look for
the origins of an expression but that we can't assume 100% percent
that it has a 'tangible' explanation.

Castles in the sky maybe but pie in the sky???

 I have not read this book but Larsson was a socialist and in Sweden
many of us get Joe HillÅ› " you get pie in the sky when you die" in
mind and "luftslott" means something of this world. Unrealistic plans
of many sorts.

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Edward Hennessey wrote:
Pierre Jelenc wrote:
Sébastien de Mapias  <sglrig... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
Hi,
Someone can tell me what the following title means exactly ?:
Luftslottet som sprängdes
L'idée de "luftslott" se traduit par "château en Espagne" en
français. Littéralement donc "Le château en Espagne qui a explosé".

Pierre

PJ:  schl

"Castle in Spain" is, indeed, a rare phrase in English and the ancestral
one to
"castle in the air". This may derive from various sources on which either
research or
intelligent conjecture by parties in Spain or France may shed more light.
One possibility
is invidious, the French may have rightly or wrongly conceived that castles
were of
rare occurence in Spain.

You are right. I did not know the origin before
searching the Web.

I will not translate everything, the text in French
is given below. "This very old expression (dating from
le Roman de la Rose 13th century) stems from the
fact that castles were very rare in the countryside
in Spain. The Maures could not find refuge in them.
"Les chateaux en Espagne" is the metaphore for
what is deemed unfeasible.

That translation was the best I could achieve.

"Cette expression très ancienne (datant du Roman de la
Rose - XIIIième siècle) est entrée dans le langage courant
au XVIème siècle. Pasquier, en 1531, explique que cette
expression prend sa source dans le fait qu'en Espagne,
on ne trouve aucun château dans les campagnes : les Maures
se trouvaient ainsi sans possibilité de se réfugier dans
une demeure assurant leur retraite en toute sécurité.
C'est ainsi que les "châteaux en Espagne" sont devenus
la métaphore de ce qui est jugé infaisable."

http://www.francparler.com/syntagme.php?id=124



The other, more intriguing idea is that there the
phenomenon
of a fata morgana--or something similar--was observed by the French which
resembled
castles in the air over the Pyrenees appearing to be in Spain. Other
explanations are welcome.

It would be interesting to see if kindred phrases like luftshlösser or
schlösser im
Mond will be found in the German translation.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey- Hide quoted text -

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