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12 Babies die during vaccine trials in Argentina

Buenos Aires, Jul 10, 2008 (Buenos Aires, Jul 10, 2008

At least 12 babies who were part of a clinical study to test the
effectiveness of a vaccine against pneumonia have died over the past year in
Argentina, the local press reported Thursday.

The study was sponsored by global drug giant GlaxoSmithKline and uses
children from poor families, who are "pressured and forced into signing
consent forms," the Argentine Federation of Health Professionals, or
Fesprosa, said.

"This occurs without any type of state control" and "does not comply with
minimum ethical requirements," Fesprosa said.

The vaccine trial is still ongoing despite the denunciations, and those in
charge of the study were cited by the Critica newspaper as saying that the
procedures are being carried out in a lawful manner.

Colombian and Panama were also chosen by GSK as staging grounds for trials
of the vaccine against the pneumococcal bacteria.

Since 2007, 15,000 children under the age of one from the Argentine
provinces of Mendoza, San Juan and Santiago del Estero have been included in
the research protocol, a statement of what the study is trying to achieve.

"Only 12 have died throughout the country, which is a very low figure if we
compare it with the deaths produced by respiratory illnesses caused by the
pneumococcal bacteria," pediatrician Enrique Smith, one of the lead
investigators, said.

In Santiago del Estero, one of the country's poorest provinces, the trials
were authorized when Enrique's brother, Juan Carlos Smith, was provincial
health minister.

According to pediatrician Ana Maria Marchese, who works at the children's
hospital in the provincial capital where the studies are being conducted,
"because they can't experiment in Europe or the United States, they come to
do it in third-world countries."

"A lot of people want to leave the protocol but aren't allowed; they force
them to continue under the threat that if they leave they won't receive any
other vaccine," said Julieta Ovejero, great aunt of one of the six babies
who died in Santiago del Estero.

Fesprosa's Juan Carlos Palomares said that "in most cases these are
underprivileged individuals, many of them unable to read or write, who are
pressured into including their children" in the trials.

According to Fesprosa, "the laboratory pays $8,000 for each child included
in the study, but none (of that money) remains in the province that lends
the public facilities and the health personnel for the private research."
EFE

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12 Babies die during vaccine trials in Argentina

Buenos Aires, Jul 10, 2008 (Buenos Aires, Jul 10, 2008

At least 12 babies who were part of a clinical study to test the
effectiveness of a vaccine against pneumonia have died over the past year
in
Argentina, the local press reported Thursday.

The study was sponsored by global drug giant GlaxoSmithKline and uses
children from poor families, who are "pressured and forced into signing
consent forms," the Argentine Federation of Health Professionals, or
Fesprosa, said.

"This occurs without any type of state control" and "does not comply with
minimum ethical requirements," Fesprosa said.

The vaccine trial is still ongoing despite the denunciations, and those
in
charge of the study were cited by the Critica newspaper as saying that
the
procedures are being carried out in a lawful manner.

Colombian and Panama were also chosen by GSK as staging grounds for
trials
of the vaccine against the pneumococcal bacteria.

Since 2007, 15,000 children under the age of one from the Argentine
provinces of Mendoza, San Juan and Santiago del Estero have been included
in
the research protocol, a statement of what the study is trying to
achieve.

"Only 12 have died throughout the country, which is a very low figure if
we
compare it with the deaths produced by respiratory illnesses caused by
the
pneumococcal bacteria," pediatrician Enrique Smith, one of the lead
investigators, said.

In Santiago del Estero, one of the country's poorest provinces, the
trials
were authorized when Enrique's brother, Juan Carlos Smith, was provincial
health minister.

According to pediatrician Ana Maria Marchese, who works at the children's
hospital in the provincial capital where the studies are being conducted,
"because they can't experiment in Europe or the United States, they come
to
do it in third-world countries."

"A lot of people want to leave the protocol but aren't allowed; they
force
them to continue under the threat that if they leave they won't receive
any
other vaccine," said Julieta Ovejero, great aunt of one of the six babies
who died in Santiago del Estero.

Fesprosa's Juan Carlos Palomares said that "in most cases these are
underprivileged individuals, many of them unable to read or write, who
are
pressured into including their children" in the trials.

According to Fesprosa, "the laboratory pays $8,000 for each child
included
in the study, but none (of that money) remains in the province that lends
the public facilities and the health personnel for the private research."
EFE

Well done. The mindless pro-vaccinationists
accuse us of being uncaring in regard to children's health.
INSTEAD, the facts such as these that you have posted
expose the REAL danger to every child subject to
vaccination and this IRESSPECTIVE of any "protection"
the vaccine may or MAY NOT provide from something else.

Citizen Jimserac
The vaccination "didn't take".
(Common statement on adverse reaction to a vaccination)

makes both ethical and economic sense to test vaccines out where there are
high mortality rates from the target illness.

"Peter Moran" <pmoran at (no spam) internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:xJudnTtFZKArV-rVnZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d at (no spam) posted.internode...

makes both ethical and economic sense to test vaccines out where there are
high mortality rates from the target illness.

they only btest vaccines in the thirld world as they can get away with
anything, and get anything on the market

and you shouldn't vaccinate malnourished kids
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/healthy_trial_babies_only.html

they only btest vaccines in the thirld world as they can get away with
anything, and get anything on the market

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12 Babies die during vaccine trials in Argentina



Buenos Aires, Jul 10, 2008 (Buenos Aires, Jul 10, 2008

At least 12 babies who were part of a clinical study to test the
effectiveness of a vaccine against pneumonia have died over the past year in
Argentina, the local press reported Thursday.

Since 2007, 15,000 children under the age of one from the Argentine
provinces of Mendoza, San Juan and Santiago del Estero have been included in
the research protocol, a statement of what the study is trying to achieve.

"Citizen Jimserac" <Jimserac at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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12 Babies die during vaccine trials in Argentina

Buenos Aires, Jul 10, 2008 (Buenos Aires, Jul 10, 2008

At least 12 babies who were part of a clinical study to test the
effectiveness of a vaccine against pneumonia have died over the past
year in
Argentina, the local press reported Thursday.

The study was sponsored by global drug giant GlaxoSmithKline and uses
children from poor families, who are "pressured and forced into signing
consent forms," the Argentine Federation of Health Professionals, or
Fesprosa, said.

"This occurs without any type of state control" and "does not comply
with
minimum ethical requirements," Fesprosa said.

The vaccine trial is still ongoing despite the denunciations, and those
in
charge of the study were cited by the Critica newspaper as saying that
the
procedures are being carried out in a lawful manner.

Colombian and Panama were also chosen by GSK as staging grounds for
trials
of the vaccine against the pneumococcal bacteria.

Since 2007, 15,000 children under the age of one from the Argentine
provinces of Mendoza, San Juan and Santiago del Estero have been
included in
the research protocol, a statement of what the study is trying to
achieve.

"Only 12 have died throughout the country, which is a very low figure if
we
compare it with the deaths produced by respiratory illnesses caused by
the
pneumococcal bacteria," pediatrician Enrique Smith, one of the lead
investigators, said.

In Santiago del Estero, one of the country's poorest provinces, the
trials
were authorized when Enrique's brother, Juan Carlos Smith, was
provincial
health minister.

According to pediatrician Ana Maria Marchese, who works at the
children's
hospital in the provincial capital where the studies are being
conducted,
"because they can't experiment in Europe or the United States, they come
to
do it in third-world countries."

I won't defend truly unethical behaviour, and there is a history of drug
companies exploiting less developed populations in drug testing. But it
makes both ethical and economic sense to test vaccines out where there are
high mortality rates from the target illness.

PM

"A lot of people want to leave the protocol but aren't allowed; they
force
them to continue under the threat that if they leave they won't receive
any
other vaccine," said Julieta Ovejero, great aunt of one of the six
babies
who died in Santiago del Estero.

Fesprosa's Juan Carlos Palomares said that "in most cases these are
underprivileged individuals, many of them unable to read or write, who
are
pressured into including their children" in the trials.

According to Fesprosa, "the laboratory pays $8,000 for each child
included
in the study, but none (of that money) remains in the province that
lends
the public facilities and the health personnel for the private
research."
EFE

Well done. The mindless pro-vaccinationists
accuse us of being uncaring in regard to children's health.
INSTEAD, the facts such as these that you have posted
expose the REAL danger to every child subject to
vaccination and this IRESSPECTIVE of any "protection"
the vaccine may or MAY NOT provide from something else.

Citizen Jimserac
The vaccination "didn't take".
(Common statement on adverse reaction to a vaccination)

"CitizenJimserac" <Jimse... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:b6b539bd-4085-4370-8646-4ee2c1afb0cb at (no spam) p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...



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12 Babies die during vaccine trials in Argentina

Buenos Aires, Jul 10, 2008 (Buenos Aires, Jul 10, 2008

At least 12 babies who were part of a clinical study to test the
effectiveness of a vaccine against pneumonia have died over the past year
in
Argentina, the local press reported Thursday.

The study was sponsored by global drug giant GlaxoSmithKline and uses
children from poor families, who are "pressured and forced into signing
consent forms," the Argentine Federation of Health Professionals, or
Fesprosa, said.

"This occurs without any type of state control" and "does not comply with
minimum ethical requirements," Fesprosa said.

The vaccine trial is still ongoing despite the denunciations, and those
in
charge of the study were cited by the Critica newspaper as saying that
the
procedures are being carried out in a lawful manner.

Colombian and Panama were also chosen by GSK as staging grounds for
trials
of the vaccine against the pneumococcal bacteria.

Since 2007, 15,000 children under the age of one from the Argentine
provinces of Mendoza, San Juan and Santiago del Estero have been included
in
the research protocol, a statement of what the study is trying to
achieve.

"Only 12 have died throughout the country, which is a very low figure if
we
compare it with the deaths produced by respiratory illnesses caused by
the
pneumococcal bacteria," pediatrician Enrique Smith, one of the lead
investigators, said.

In Santiago del Estero, one of the country's poorest provinces, the
trials
were authorized when Enrique's brother, Juan Carlos Smith, was provincial
health minister.

According to pediatrician Ana Maria Marchese, who works at the children's
hospital in the provincial capital where the studies are being conducted,
"because they can't experiment in Europe or the United States, they come
to
do it in third-world countries."

I won't defend truly unethical behaviour, and there is a history of drug
companies exploiting less developed populations in drug testing. But it
makes both ethical and economic sense to test vaccines out where there are
high mortality rates from the target illness.

PM



"A lot of people want to leave the protocol but aren't allowed; they
force
them to continue under the threat that if they leave they won't receive
any
other vaccine," said Julieta Ovejero, great aunt of one of the six babies
who died in Santiago del Estero.

Fesprosa's Juan Carlos Palomares said that "in most cases these are
underprivileged individuals, many of them unable to read or write, who
are
pressured into including their children" in the trials.

According to Fesprosa, "the laboratory pays $8,000 for each child
included
in the study, but none (of that money) remains in the province that lends
the public facilities and the health personnel for the private research."
EFE

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12 Babies die during vaccine trials in Argentina
Buenos Aires, Jul 10, 2008 (Buenos Aires, Jul 10, 2008
At least 12 babies who were part of a clinical study to test the
effectiveness of a vaccine against pneumonia have died over the past year
in
Argentina, the local press reported Thursday.
The study was sponsored by global drug giant GlaxoSmithKline and uses
children from poor families, who are "pressured and forced into signing
consent forms," the Argentine Federation of Health Professionals, or
Fesprosa, said.
"This occurs without any type of state control" and "does not comply with
minimum ethical requirements," Fesprosa said.
The vaccine trial is still ongoing despite the denunciations, and those
in
charge of the study were cited by the Critica newspaper as saying that
the
procedures are being carried out in a lawful manner.
Colombian and Panama were also chosen by GSK as staging grounds for
trials
of the vaccine against the pneumococcal bacteria.
Since 2007, 15,000 children under the age of one from the Argentine
provinces of Mendoza, San Juan and Santiago del Estero have been included
in
the research protocol, a statement of what the study is trying to
achieve.
"Only 12 have died throughout the country, which is a very low figure if
we
compare it with the deaths produced by respiratory illnesses caused by
the
pneumococcal bacteria," pediatrician Enrique Smith, one of the lead
investigators, said.
In Santiago del Estero, one of the country's poorest provinces, the
trials
were authorized when Enrique's brother, Juan Carlos Smith, was provincial
health minister.
According to pediatrician Ana Maria Marchese, who works at the children's
hospital in the provincial capital where the studies are being conducted,
"because they can't experiment in Europe or the United States, they come
to
do it in third-world countries."
I won't defend truly unethical behaviour, and there is a history of drug
companies exploiting less developed populations in drug testing. But it
makes both ethical and economic sense to test vaccines out where there are
high mortality rates from the target illness.

PM



"A lot of people want to leave the protocol but aren't allowed; they
force
them to continue under the threat that if they leave they won't receive
any
other vaccine," said Julieta Ovejero, great aunt of one of the six babies
who died in Santiago del Estero.
Fesprosa's Juan Carlos Palomares said that "in most cases these are
underprivileged individuals, many of them unable to read or write, who
are
pressured into including their children" in the trials.
According to Fesprosa, "the laboratory pays $8,000 for each child
included
in the study, but none (of that money) remains in the province that lends
the public facilities and the health personnel for the private research."
EFE

Well said!

I'm glad you're on to this stuff and it MUST
be condemned by both pro and anti-vacctionationsts.

Regarding pro-vaccinationists in these groups, there won't be any
condemnation. They adopted a Roman motto: "aut bene, aut nihil" about drug
industry. When they cannot say something good they will not say anything.
That is so remarkably consistent, it makes me think that they are not bona
fide pro-vaccinationists but pharma shills. They look less like
individuals with opinions but rather like a disciplined team with
variations only in postings style.

"Mike" <Mike at (no spam) xyz.xxx> wrote in message news:dAzek.175$6O4.152 at (no spam) trnddc06...

Regarding pro-vaccinationists in these groups, there won't be any
condemnation. They adopted a Roman motto: "aut bene, aut nihil" about drug
industry. When they cannot say something good they will not say anything.
That is so remarkably consistent, it makes me think that they are not bona
fide pro-vaccinationists but pharma shills. They look less like
individuals with opinions but rather like a disciplined team with
variations only in postings style.

its a religion, they all think and say the same drivel and really believe it
however absurd http://www.whale.to/a/pharma_gang.html

they ahve their own meeting places where they get the lastest surmon form
the mount of pharma http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/

They do not necessarily believe it. They know when to express an opinion
and when to keep one's mouth shut. For example, none of them commented
on a statement by Senator McCain about a possible vaccine-autism link.

[1984] "My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that
the nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the United States each year are
related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given children.
The pertussis vaccine is the most likely villain, but it could also be one
or more of the others."--Dr Mendelsohn, M.D. (1984)