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| tyrone schneider... |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:30 am |
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Hybrid vehicles are selling like hot cakes and everyone is wondering
where this will lead. Will hybrid technology evolve as fast as
computers did, so that every 18 months the latest model is twice as
efficient as the old model?
Unlike computer evolution, there is a road map of sorts for the
journey ahead for hybrid car and truck owners. The current hybrids
available from Toyota, Ford, Chevy, GMC, Honda and others are
designated HEV vehicles, which stands for "Hybrid Electric Vehicle."
This technology employs an internal combustion engine and an electric
drive train. At city speeds the HEV runs on mostly electric power,
reserving the expensive gasoline power for highway speeds. The
electric batteries are recharged by capturing the energy that is
normally wasted during braking and idling. So what could be better
than that?
Plug-In Hybrid Electric vehicles (PHEVs) will do everything that their
predecessors do, but they will be able to travel farther on electric-
only power, and will be equipped with a plug-in battery charger for
use at night when electric rates are lower. It has been estimated that
if all U.S. vehicles were replaced with PHEVs today, national
consumption of oil would go down by 70 to 90 percent by tomorrow. This
happy scenario would make the U.S. completely self-sufficient for
supplying its own oil needs....
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| theloneranger100 at (no spam) aol.com... |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:08 am |
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"tyrone schneider" <pjwfeldcwerp at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hybrid vehicles are selling like hot cakes and everyone is
wondering
where this will lead. Will hybrid technology evolve as fast as
computers did, so that every 18 months the latest model is
twice as
efficient as the old model?
Unlike computer evolution, there is a road map of sorts for the
journey ahead for hybrid car and truck owners. The current
hybrids
Quote: 20 member team at AFS Trinity Power Corp claims to make this
possible
with their plug in hybrid car. On technology front, they are
going to
Too many BULLSHIT!s from AFS, First $8600 plug-in is Too costly,
AFS also exaggerated their saying "motor don't usually turn bad"
they are wrong. Motor is mechanic, moving part turns bad easily
especially if you pull 4,000 - 5,000 SUV. They also exaggerate
their 150-MPG, it is not a continuous MPG, plus their test is not
on a normal road test. Currently you cannot switch back and
forward between engine and electric. Watch the news, someone
else is coming up with a pure Gas that can turn your regular car
into 40-50mpg. No hydrogen, No electric aide! |
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| theloneranger100 at (no spam) aol.com... |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:13 am |
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"theloneranger100 at (no spam) aol.com" <thelonerangerl0O at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in
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"tyrone schneider" <pjwfeldcwerp at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9a6c7361-4968-4dc3-87e3-cb4ffb1008e5 at (no spam) w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
Hybrid vehicles are selling like hot cakes and everyone is
wondering
where this will lead. Will hybrid technology evolve as fast as
computers did, so that every 18 months the latest model is
twice as
efficient as the old model?
Unlike computer evolution, there is a road map of sorts for
the
journey ahead for hybrid car and truck owners. The current
hybrids
20 member team at AFS Trinity Power Corp claims to make this
possible
with their plug in hybrid car. On technology front, they are
going to
Too many BULLSHIT!s from AFS, First $8600 plug-in is Too
costly,
AFS also exaggerated their saying "motor don't usually turn
bad"
they are wrong. Motor is mechanic, moving part turns bad easily
especially if you pull 4,000 - 5,000 SUV. They also exaggerate
their 150-MPG, it is not a continuous MPG, plus their test is
not
on a normal road test. Currently you cannot switch back and
forward between engine and electric. Watch the news, someone
else is coming up with a pure Gas that can turn your regular
car
into 40-50mpg. No hydrogen, No electric aide!
And the cost is 4-5 times less than AFS.
Quote: especially if you pull 4,000-lbs - 5,000-lbs SUV. Electric
Motor will need regular maintenance. Consider your fuel pumps
and water pumps, they also turn bad even their load is 100
times lighter than that of AFS. |
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| RadicalModerate... |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:14 pm |
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: As long as you can build nuclear power stations fast enough to cope, PHEVs
(among other things) could utterly transform the energy needs of the
western industrialised nations as a whole.
Now it seems to take 5 years to construct a pressurized light-water
nuclear plant plus another 5 years of litigation.
When was the last time a nuke plant was built in the U.K.?
Now if they can make a nuke that produces hydrogen.... :)
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| Eeyore... |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:54 pm |
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tyrone schneider wrote:
Quote: Hybrid vehicles are selling like hot cakes and everyone is wondering
where this will lead. Will hybrid technology evolve as fast as
computers did, so that every 18 months the latest model is twice as
efficient as the old model?
That one's easy to answer. Definitely not. Do the basic sums about rolling
and air resistance and you'll discover how much energy/power it takes to
move a vehicle.
If Americans care about that figure, you'll see the demise of the classic
'3 box' sedan btw. It has LOUSY drag figures. The popular Euro 'hatch'
configuration is quite a lot better.
And those high grille 'pickup trucks' are the very worst of all.
Graham |
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| Eeyore... |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:57 pm |
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tyrone schneider wrote:
Quote: Plug-In Hybrid Electric vehicles (PHEVs) will do everything that their
predecessors do, but they will be able to travel farther on electric-
only power, and will be equipped with a plug-in battery charger for
use at night when electric rates are lower. It has been estimated that
if all U.S. vehicles were replaced with PHEVs today, national
consumption of oil would go down by 70 to 90 percent by tomorrow. This
happy scenario would make the U.S. completely self-sufficient for
supplying its own oil needs....
As long as you can build nuclear power stations fast enough to cope, PHEVs
(among other things) could utterly transform the energy needs of the
western industrialised nations as a whole.
Graham |
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| Eeyore... |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:01 pm |
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"theloneranger100 at (no spam) aol.com" wrote:
Quote: They also exaggerate their 150-MPG, it is not a continuous MPG, plus their
test is not
on a normal road test.
Any mpg figure for a PHEV car is an outright LIE from first principles.
Graham |
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| Eeyore... |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:02 pm |
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"theloneranger100 at (no spam) aol.com" wrote:
Quote: Watch the news, someone else is coming up with a pure Gas that can turn
your regular car into 40-50mpg. No hydrogen, No electric aide!
And nor you blew it again ?
Hydrazine maybe ?
Graham |
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| Eeyore... |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:35 pm |
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RadicalModerate wrote:
Quote: Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
As long as you can build nuclear power stations fast enough to cope, PHEVs
(among other things) could utterly transform the energy needs of the
western industrialised nations as a whole.
Now it seems to take 5 years to construct a pressurized light-water
EDF say less.
Quote: nuclear plant plus another 5 years of litigation.
Well, that depends on yout allegedly 'green' lobby mostly these days.
Quote: When was the last time a nuke plant was built in the U.K.?
Ages ago.
Why ? Because we had TOO MANY power stations ! We had spare capacity coming out
of our ears ! Talk about being fucked up !
Quote: Now if they can make a nuke that produces hydrogen....
Yes it can be done. I hope you like BIG explosions !
Graham |
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| DrDave... |
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:22 pm |
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Hybrids not the answer non oil is the only way!!! You people better wake up
and look around there is no shortage of oil!
Ill post more later but now not the time Have fun .
"tyrone schneider" <pjwfeldcwerp at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9a6c7361-4968-4dc3-87e3-cb4ffb1008e5 at (no spam) w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
Hybrid vehicles are selling like hot cakes and everyone is wondering
where this will lead. Will hybrid technology evolve as fast as
computers did, so that every 18 months the latest model is twice as
efficient as the old model?
Unlike computer evolution, there is a road map of sorts for the
journey ahead for hybrid car and truck owners. The current hybrids
available from Toyota, Ford, Chevy, GMC, Honda and others are
designated HEV vehicles, which stands for "Hybrid Electric Vehicle."
This technology employs an internal combustion engine and an electric
drive train. At city speeds the HEV runs on mostly electric power,
reserving the expensive gasoline power for highway speeds. The
electric batteries are recharged by capturing the energy that is
normally wasted during braking and idling. So what could be better
than that?
Plug-In Hybrid Electric vehicles (PHEVs) will do everything that their
predecessors do, but they will be able to travel farther on electric-
only power, and will be equipped with a plug-in battery charger for
use at night when electric rates are lower. It has been estimated that
if all U.S. vehicles were replaced with PHEVs today, national
consumption of oil would go down by 70 to 90 percent by tomorrow. This
happy scenario would make the U.S. completely self-sufficient for
supplying its own oil needs....
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| DB... |
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:20 pm |
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DrDave wrote:
Quote: Hybrids not the answer non oil is the only way!!! You people better wake up
and look around there is no shortage of oil!
Ill post more later but now not the time Have fun .
Wow, this should be interesting... |
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:03 pm |
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On Jul 2, 1:54 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati... at (no spam) hotmail.com>
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Quote: tyrone schneider wrote:
Hybrid vehicles are selling like hot cakes and everyone is wondering
where this will lead. Will hybrid technology evolve as fast as
computers did, so that every 18 months the latest model is twice as
efficient as the old model?
That one's easy to answer. Definitely not. Do the basic sums about rolling
and air resistance and you'll discover how much energy/power it takes to
move a vehicle.
If Americans care about that figure, you'll see the demise of the classic
'3 box' sedan btw. It has LOUSY drag figures. The popular Euro 'hatch'
configuration is quite a lot better.
And those high grille 'pickup trucks' are the very worst of all.
Graham
Graham, evidently the buyers in the US don't agree with you. since
here Cadillac Escalades and Lincoln Navigagators are selling today at
incredibly low prices, Both of these are incredibly nice machines to
drive in air conditioned comfort at a fraction of their list prices.
Graham, my point is that here is the US, the expectation is that gas
prices will soon fall, since they are fueled by commodity investors.So
if you believe that driving to a mall, returning home and making
several stops along the way deters me from driving an 8-cylinder, air
conditioned Ford Bronco is anyway influence by the cost of fuel, it
isn't. Graham, just to be fair with you since you live in the UK, the
deal here is that the New Hampshire/Massachusetts border is nearly
exactly 6-miles from my driveway. In MA, we have a sales tax of 5%
that applies to almost everyting from suits to hardware. air
conditioners, water heaters and cars. New Hampshire doesn't have a
sales tax. This is all perfectly legal. Everybody on the NY/MA border
does the same thing. In turn, savings tend to offset inceased fuel
prices.
Now Graham, long distance trips are another issue, and for these I
utilize my ancient 1986 Cadillac Cimarron. While its air conditioning
died over two years ago, it stil gets 26-mpg over long trips. What
more can you ask for a set of wheels?
Harry C, |
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| dennis at (no spam) home... |
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:11 pm |
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<hhc314 at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Now Graham, long distance trips are another issue, and for these I
utilize my ancient 1986 Cadillac Cimarron. While its air conditioning
died over two years ago, it stil gets 26-mpg over long trips. What
more can you ask for a set of wheels?
70+ mpg like I get out of my air conditioned car.
That's the trouble with Americans.. no idea of efficiency.
You think 26 mpg is good, we think its awful.
When we get to 100 mpg next year you will still be doing 26 mpg.
> Harry C, |
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