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| Roger Coppock... |
 Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:49 am |
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| Bhanwara... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:59 am |
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On Jul 5, 3:49 pm, Roger Coppock <rcopp... at (no spam) adnc.com> wrote:
Quote: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here/
Ok, following the links we have:
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When viewed coarsely, historical CO2 levels and temperature show a
tight correlation. However, a closer examination of the CH4, CO2, and
temperature fluctuations recorded in the Antarctic ice core records
reveals that, yes, temperature moved first.
Nevertheless, it is misleading to say that temperature rose and then,
hundreds of years later, CO2 rose. These warming periods lasted for
5,000 to 10,000 years (the cooling periods lasted more like 100,000
years!), so for the majority of that time (90% and more), temperature
and CO2 rose together. This remarkably detailed archive of
climatological evidence clearly allows for CO2 acting as a cause for
rising temperatures, while also revealing it can be an effect of them.
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Basically, it reads like: "Yes, it moves first. Nevertheless, if you
think we are going to get off the gravy train this easily, you must be
pretty dense. There is thousands of years of data here, with plenty
of opportunities to confuse things up. There are lots of idiots out
there who just trust everything we say, and they can't figure anything
out themselves anyway, so all we have to say is: it isn't so!" |
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| Bhanwara... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:18 am |
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On Jul 5, 4:59 pm, Bhanwara <bhanwa... at (no spam) netscape.net> wrote:
That may not have been very clear.
Imagine a man riding a bicycle. An alien rocket takes details motion
pictures of several such bicycle trips, and takes the pictures back
home. The alien scientists do not know if the bicycle is self
propelled, or human propelled. The question for the alien scientists
is: whether the motion of the man's legs causes the bicycle to move,
or whether the motion of the bicycle causes the man's legs to move.
The trouble is, these things happen together. So all careful analysis
can reveal, is that there is a strong correlation.
The "Bicycle is causing the man's legs to move" (BMM for Bicycle Moves
Man) faction is pretty strong, and many aliens support them without
question, because they trust in the evidence of their own eyes, and
they have seen a movie with their own eyes, and the movie clearly said
BMM is true.
Finally, great advances are made in the analysis of the motion, and
finally it is discovered that CONSISTENTLY, muscles in the man's legs
move before the bicycle started moving.
But you see, the muscle "leading" happens only for a few milliseconds
or so. After that, the muscles and the bicycles are moving in tandem.
BMM is getting lots of devotion, attention and grants. They aren't
going to just give it up.
Here is their response:
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Quote: When viewed coarsely, muscle and bicycle movement show a
tight correlation. However, a closer examination of the muscles involved
reveals that, yes, the muscles moved first.
Nevertheless, it is misleading to say that muscles moved and then,
milliseconds later, bicycle moved. These trips lasted for
5 to 200 minutes (some lasted more like many
hours!), so for the majority of that time (99.999% and more), muscle
and bicycle moved together. This remarkably detailed archive of
bicycle trips clearly allows for bicycles acting as a cause for
muscle movement, while also revealing it can be an effect of them. |
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| MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:18 pm |
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Roger Coppock
Quote: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here/
What utter NONSENSE!
Explain why Mars, Jupiter and Pluto are warming as well!
Explain why anything other than volcanic action need be seen
as the reason why the arctic ice is recedeing.
Why shouldn't we dismiss Nuclear Iran,
while quivering at the hypothesis of Global Warming?
GLOBAL WARMING::
Something about Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Pluto,
Human Activity, Hale Bopp, Apple Sauce and penned up Cattle.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080627/sc_livescience/volcanoeseruptben
eatharcticice
Volcanoes Erupt Beneath Arctic Ice
New evidence deep beneath the Arctic ice suggests a series
of underwater volcanoes have erupted in violent explosions
in the past decade. |
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| Al Bedo... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:31 pm |
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Roger Coppock wrote:
Quote: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here/
The problem is these guys are ideologues.
Beyond including Mann of the embarrassingly disproved
'Hockey Stick', they refuse to post valid evidence of
the shortcomings of AGW theory.
Is there some valid science there? Yes.
But not any which contradicts the vested interest. |
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| kT... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:00 pm |
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MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE wrote:
We already explained it. America is dumbing. The result follows. |
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| Peter Muehlbauer... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:06 pm |
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Roger Coppock <rcoppock at (no spam) adnc.com> wrote:
This are your endmost twitches?
The final try to pour a few pushcarts of sand below the fundament of your
GH ruins, before you AGWs will be debunked? |
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