So you're looking for a circuit which produces a one-shot pulse, of specific
(and presumably adjustable) amplitude(s) and timing(s)?

If he's truely PWMing the solenoid, it could be getting hot from the AC.
Solenoids are often big hunks of steel, and big hunks of steel get hot when
you put AC into them.

Since this is a musical instrument, I'm going to bet it would be much more
convienient to implement a MIDI interface.  Not something I've done, but you
can probably find a chip to do the hard part.

Tim

Hello all,

I am looking for some design help on a circuit to control a rotary
solenoid using an audio signal. First, some context:

This is for a musician/artist friend who is building a prototype of a
new musical instrument. The instrument consists of a series of nitinol
(MuscleWire) strings that are plucked by a wooden stick attached to a
rotary solenoid. He currently has eight strings+solenoid combinations
going. When it's played, the instrument sounds like a chorus of
detuned cats...

To drive a solenoid under his current setup, my friend simply connects
it across the positive and negative terminals of one channel of a car
stereo amp. He uses either an analog synthesizer or a digital music
application on his computer to generate pulse trains of low-frequency
signals. I guess you could call it a primitive form of PWM. He
manually tweaks the signal shape, period and volume until he gets the
solenoids to activate and pluck the strings at the rates he wants.

All this works (remarkably) well except for two problems: 1) The
solenoids get really hot after a short time. No wonder, as they spend
a good part of the time uselessly activated. I haven't actually hooked
up a scope, but I suspect that only the first 10-20 milliseconds of
the audio pulses are going to actually activate the solenoid; the rest
of the energy is going to heat his apartment. 2) Each solenoid takes
up a precious channel of an amp that is rated to 50 watts while actual
power needs are probably only a watt or two.

So what I'd like to do is design a circuit that would take the line-
level audio output from his synth or soundcard (1 V rms on the Macbook
he uses) and use it to trigger a pulse that is just long enough to
drive the solenoid. I don't have the specs on the solenoid, but I
believe it needs about 10 milliseconds for activation, then another 60
- 100 ms to run its course to 45 degrees. The solenoid is rated at 12
volts, but I'm not sure whether that is the 100% duty cycle rating or
something less. In any case, my friend uses 13.8 V regulated power
supplies for his setups, so I'd like to use that to power the circuit.

My first idea for this was to half-wave rectify the audio signal and
use it to drive a power transistor, but I don't see how to limit the
resulting pulse length, then shut off, regardless of how long the
audio note plays. RC circuit maybe?

I welcome all ideas, great and small. Thanks!

doug beeson
montreal,canada

Hello all,

I am looking for some design help on a circuit to control a rotary
solenoid using an audio signal. First, some context:

This is for a musician/artist friend who is building a prototype of a
new musical instrument. The instrument consists of a series of nitinol
(MuscleWire) strings that are plucked by a wooden stick attached to a
rotary solenoid. He currently has eight strings+solenoid combinations
going. When it's played, the instrument sounds like a chorus of
detuned cats...

To drive a solenoid under his current setup, my friend simply connects
it across the positive and negative terminals of one channel of a car
stereo amp. He uses either an analog synthesizer or a digital music
application on his computer to generate pulse trains of low-frequency
signals. I guess you could call it a primitive form of PWM. He
manually tweaks the signal shape, period and volume until he gets the
solenoids to activate and pluck the strings at the rates he wants.

All this works (remarkably) well except for two problems: 1) The
solenoids get really hot after a short time. No wonder, as they spend
a good part of the time uselessly activated. I haven't actually hooked
up a scope, but I suspect that only the first 10-20 milliseconds of
the audio pulses are going to actually activate the solenoid; the rest
of the energy is going to heat his apartment. 2) Each solenoid takes
up a precious channel of an amp that is rated to 50 watts while actual
power needs are probably only a watt or two.

So what I'd like to do is design a circuit that would take the line-
level audio output from his synth or soundcard (1 V rms on the Macbook
he uses) and use it to trigger a pulse that is just long enough to
drive the solenoid. I don't have the specs on the solenoid, but I
believe it needs about 10 milliseconds for activation, then another 60
- 100 ms to run its course to 45 degrees. The solenoid is rated at 12
volts, but I'm not sure whether that is the 100% duty cycle rating or
something less. In any case, my friend uses 13.8 V regulated power
supplies for his setups, so I'd like to use that to power the circuit.

My first idea for this was to half-wave rectify the audio signal and
use it to drive a power transistor, but I don't see how to limit the
resulting pulse length, then shut off, regardless of how long the
audio note plays. RC circuit maybe?

I welcome all ideas, great and small. Thanks!

doug beeson
montreal,canada

On Jul 5, 10:35 pm, "Tim Williams" <tmoran... at (no spam) charter.net> wrote:
So you're looking for a circuit which produces a one-shot pulse, of specific
(and presumably adjustable) amplitude(s) and timing(s)?


Yes, I think that sums it up. I know of the classic 555 for one-shot
pulses. Is there an alternative?


If he's truely PWMing the solenoid, it could be getting hot from the AC.
Solenoids are often big hunks of steel, and big hunks of steel get hot when
you put AC into them.

Since this is a musical instrument, I'm going to bet it would be much more
convienient to implement a MIDI interface. Not something I've done, but you
can probably find a chip to do the hard part.

Tim



I have thought of a MIDI interface. Problem is, my friend is really
not interested in using anything new than his standard analog
interface so...not this time.

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Hello all,

I am looking for some design help on a circuit to control a rotary
solenoid using an audio signal. First, some context:

This is for a musician/artist friend who is building a prototype of a
new musical instrument. The instrument consists of a series of nitinol
(MuscleWire) strings that are plucked by a wooden stick attached to a
rotary solenoid. He currently has eight strings+solenoid combinations
going. When it's played, the instrument sounds like a chorus of
detuned cats...

To drive a solenoid under his current setup, my friend simply connects
it across the positive and negative terminals of one channel of a car
stereo amp. He uses either an analog synthesizer or a digital music
application on his computer to generate pulse trains of low-frequency
signals. I guess you could call it a primitive form of PWM. He
manually tweaks the signal shape, period and volume until he gets the
solenoids to activate and pluck the strings at the rates he wants.

All this works (remarkably) well except for two problems: 1) The
solenoids get really hot after a short time. No wonder, as they spend
a good part of the time uselessly activated. I haven't actually hooked
up a scope, but I suspect that only the first 10-20 milliseconds of
the audio pulses are going to actually activate the solenoid; the rest
of the energy is going to heat his apartment. 2) Each solenoid takes
up a precious channel of an amp that is rated to 50 watts while actual
power needs are probably only a watt or two.

So what I'd like to do is design a circuit that would take the line-
level audio output from his synth or soundcard (1 V rms on the Macbook
he uses) and use it to trigger a pulse that is just long enough to
drive the solenoid. I don't have the specs on the solenoid, but I
believe it needs about 10 milliseconds for activation, then another 60
- 100 ms to run its course to 45 degrees. The solenoid is rated at 12
volts, but I'm not sure whether that is the 100% duty cycle rating or
something less. In any case, my friend uses 13.8 V regulated power
supplies for his setups, so I'd like to use that to power the circuit.

My first idea for this was to half-wave rectify the audio signal and
use it to drive a power transistor, but I don't see how to limit the
resulting pulse length, then shut off, regardless of how long the
audio note plays. RC circuit maybe?

I welcome all ideas, great and small. Thanks!

doug beeson
montreal,canada

Hello all,

I am looking for some design help on a circuit to control a rotary
solenoid using an audio signal. First, some context:

This is for a musician/artist friend who is building a prototype of a
new musical instrument. The instrument consists of a series of nitinol
(MuscleWire) strings that are plucked by a wooden stick attached to a
rotary solenoid. He currently has eight strings+solenoid combinations
going. When it's played, the instrument sounds like a chorus of
detuned cats...

To drive a solenoid under his current setup, my friend simply connects
it across the positive and negative terminals of one channel of a car
stereo amp. He uses either an analog synthesizer or a digital music
application on his computer to generate pulse trains of low-frequency
signals. I guess you could call it a primitive form of PWM. He
manually tweaks the signal shape, period and volume until he gets the
solenoids to activate and pluck the strings at the rates he wants.

All this works (remarkably) well except for two problems: 1) The
solenoids get really hot after a short time. No wonder, as they spend
a good part of the time uselessly activated. I haven't actually hooked
up a scope, but I suspect that only the first 10-20 milliseconds of
the audio pulses are going to actually activate the solenoid; the rest
of the energy is going to heat his apartment. 2) Each solenoid takes
up a precious channel of an amp that is rated to 50 watts while actual
power needs are probably only a watt or two.

So what I'd like to do is design a circuit that would take the line-
level audio output from his synth or soundcard (1 V rms on the Macbook
he uses) and use it to trigger a pulse that is just long enough to
drive the solenoid. I don't have the specs on the solenoid, but I
believe it needs about 10 milliseconds for activation, then another 60
- 100 ms to run its course to 45 degrees. The solenoid is rated at 12
volts, but I'm not sure whether that is the 100% duty cycle rating or
something less. In any case, my friend uses 13.8 V regulated power
supplies for his setups, so I'd like to use that to power the circuit.

My first idea for this was to half-wave rectify the audio signal and
use it to drive a power transistor, but I don't see how to limit the
resulting pulse length, then shut off, regardless of how long the
audio note plays. RC circuit maybe?

I welcome all ideas, great and small. Thanks!

doug beeson
montreal,canada