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| HVAC... |
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:50 am |
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"Mike E. Fullerton" <inforequest at (no spam) spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote
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Quote: HVAC wrote:
Cough, cough (bullshit) cough, cough.
Is your statement based on anything resembling fact or merely mindless
belief?
""߃-- ¹¹"" <WF11 at (no spam) webtv.net> wrote in message news:
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Rory Johnson's Magnetron Motor, as he named it, was a revolutionary
new
source of power derived from the chemical reaction / fusion of
deuterium
and gallium.
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Skeptopathy (pathological skepticism)
the unscientific belief that unusual phenomena are bunk.
'Deja-Poo'... The feeling that I've heard this shit before. |
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| George... |
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:04 am |
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On Jul 1, 7:50 am, HVAC <MR.H... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: 'Deja-Poo'... The feeling that I've heard this shit before.
I love the out.
Oh it might be used as a munition so I won't tell any-one how it works
or actually build any...
There's a bridge somewhere out there |
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| MarkA... |
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:25 am |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:50:21 -0700, HVAC wrote:
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"Mike E. Fullerton" <inforequest at (no spam) spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote
in message news:6U7ak.44258$Jx.43096 at (no spam) pd7urf1no...
HVAC wrote:
Cough, cough (bullshit) cough, cough.
Is your statement based on anything resembling fact or merely mindless
belief?
""߃-- ¹¹"" <WF11 at (no spam) webtv.net> wrote in message news:
536-48650B38-364 at (no spam) storefull-3311.bay.webtv.net...
Rory Johnson's Magnetron Motor, as he named it, was a revolutionary
new
source of power derived from the chemical reaction / fusion of
deuterium
and gallium.
...."chemical reaction / fusion of deuterium and gallium."??? Which is it?
Chemical reactions are not nuclear events. If you can't tell which you
are seeing, you don't know what you are looking at.
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Skeptopathy (pathological skepticism)
the unscientific belief that unusual phenomena are bunk.
People have been talking up "cold fusion" for *decades.* So far, no body
has been able to show that it actually exists. For a good, rational
examination, read Park's "Voodoo Science." An "unusual phenomenon" may
not be bunk, but it isn't cold fusion, either.
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'Deja-Poo'... The feeling that I've heard this shit before.
About a gazillion times? Don't you think they'd have something more
convincing that hand waving by now?
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MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
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| Mike E. Fullerton... |
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:48 pm |
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MarkA wrote:
Quote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:50:21 -0700, HVAC wrote:
"Mike E. Fullerton" <inforequest at (no spam) spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote
in message news:6U7ak.44258$Jx.43096 at (no spam) pd7urf1no...
HVAC wrote:
Cough, cough (bullshit) cough, cough.
Is your statement based on anything resembling fact or merely mindless
belief?
""߃-- ¹¹"" <WF11 at (no spam) webtv.net> wrote in message news:
536-48650B38-364 at (no spam) storefull-3311.bay.webtv.net...
Rory Johnson's Magnetron Motor, as he named it, was a revolutionary
new
source of power derived from the chemical reaction / fusion of
deuterium
and gallium.
..."chemical reaction / fusion of deuterium and gallium."??? Which is it?
Chemical reactions are not nuclear events. If you can't tell which you
are seeing, you don't know what you are looking at.
And this is a problem because...? If I obtain a reaction with excess
heat that can't be explained I might surmise its from a chemical or
nuclear reaction. Why should I care? I've got a bloody (heavy) water
powered car.
Quote: --
Skeptopathy (pathological skepticism)
the unscientific belief that unusual phenomena are bunk.
People have been talking up "cold fusion" for *decades.* So far, no body
has been able to show that it actually exists. For a good, rational
examination, read Park's "Voodoo Science." An "unusual phenomenon" may
not be bunk, but it isn't cold fusion, either.
Competent scientists have been talking up cold fusion for decades
because it is a real phenomena. It is bizarre, difficult to replicate
and not well understood. Because of these factors incompetent
"scientists" and pathological skeptics have been ridiculing it instead
of researching or even reading about it. You can't see something if you
don't look at it.
Quote: 'Deja-Poo'... The feeling that I've heard this shit before.
About a gazillion times? Don't you think they'd have something more
convincing that hand waving by now?
How ironic.
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Skeptopathy (pathological skepticism)
the unscientific belief that unusual phenomena are bunk. |
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| george... |
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:22 pm |
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On Jul 2, 5:48 am, "Mike E. Fullerton" <inforequ... at (no spam) spam-killer-remove-
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Quote: Competent scientists have been talking up cold fusion for decades
because it is a real phenomena.
No! It's a dream and at present nonexistant.
However one day some-one just -might- produce a replicable expeiment
but personally I doubt it .
Quote: It is bizarre, difficult to replicate
and not well understood. Because of these factors incompetent
"scientists" and pathological skeptics have been ridiculing it instead
of researching or even reading about it. You can't see something if you
don't look at it.
Or if it doesn't exist. |
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| george... |
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:51 am |
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On Jul 5, 7:42 am, MarkA <nob... at (no spam) nowhere.com> wrote:
Quote: Though I am not a nuclear physicist, my understanding of cold fusion is
that it would require hydrogen nuclei to behave in a way that they have
never been known to behave. We know an awful lot about the way that
hydrogen nuclei behave, and to propose that they can do something entirely
new is a bit of a stretch.
Hopefully the 'search' for cold fusion will open other fields of
research with more chance of success.
But I doubt it.. |
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| MarkA... |
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:42 pm |
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On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:40:05 +0000, Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Quote: MarkA wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:45:32 -0700, george wrote:
On Jul 2, 5:26 pm, "Mike E. Fullerton" <inforequ... at (no spam) spam-killer-remove-
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The dream is yours.
http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:Cold_Fusion
Okay.
Tell me then where the operating system is situated.
Tell me where the economically viable hot fusion reactor is.
There are a lot of experiments but nothing beyond the experimental
state.
Same as hot fusion for a lot longer, you think its bunk too?
It's been about 20 years since this idea was first shot down
Yes 20 years of the raving stupidity of pathological skepticism.
sarcasm
Let's not be too harsh, here. Just because an idea promises to completely
revolutionize our energy infra-structure, and would have massive
implications not only for financial gain but also in our understanding of
nuclear physics, there's no reason to expect there to be any measurable
progress towards having a working system within 20 years!
/sarcasm
The same can be said of hot fusion. Obscene amounts of money have been
funneled into the hot fusion black hole for far more than 20 years yet
this technology does not attract raving hordes of pathological skeptics
that cold fusion does. Why the double standard?
For the simple reason that we *know* that hot fusion occurs. A shining
example rises in the east every day. The technological hurdle is to slow
down the reaction enough to make it useful for something besides blowing
big holes in the ground.
Though I am not a nuclear physicist, my understanding of cold fusion is
that it would require hydrogen nuclei to behave in a way that they have
never been known to behave. We know an awful lot about the way that
hydrogen nuclei behave, and to propose that they can do something entirely
new is a bit of a stretch.
That is not a double standard, nor is it "pathological skepticism." It is
appropriate skepticism. You may want to review the definition of
"gullibility".
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MarkA
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