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| Jan Drew... |
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| charles q... |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:12 pm |
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On Jul 4, 8:49 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:
A lot of it comes from the hospital emplyees themselves.Nurses who
don't sanitise their hand and such and even doctors that don't,Now
when i have to spend any amount of time in a hospital I have to worry
and wonder if the next person thats going to check me out has cleaned
theirselves first |
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| Andrew Heenan... |
| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:51 am |
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"charles q" <q.charles132 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: A lot of it comes from the hospital emplyees themselves.
Nurses who don't sanitise their hand and such and even
doctors that don't, Now when i have to spend any
amount of time in a hospital I have to worry and wonder
if the next person thats going to check me out has
cleaned theirselves first
"even doctors"? there's plenty of research (and simple observation!) that
shows that doctors are infinitely worse (to the point of danger) at
cleansing their hands; just that few doctors actually touch patients these
days.
It's also true research shows that nurses don't wash their hands as often as
they ought - but they are getting better, and - charles obviously hasn't
noticed - they do wear gloves for much patient contact these days.
Worth saying that patients themselves are often reponsible for their own
infections, either being unco-operative with regular washes, inserting dirty
digits into clean dressings, and generally fiddling about with items they
probably should leave well alone (yes, it happens).
Most infections are froma patient's own flora and fauna; it's now becoming
apparent that even MRSA is brought into hospital much more than was
realised.
But, having set the record a little straighter, this conversation would be
much more useful if it moved from blame to more positive approaches on
preventing unnecessary deaths. That's the only way to bring the numbers
down.
Like safe staffing levels, less shared equipment, controlled visiting,
decent food, care contracts and zero tolerance in some cases ... over to
you.
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| D. C. Sessions... |
| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:23 am |
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In message <59330d70-0d81-47cd-bd00-9860e1323223 at (no spam) k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, charles q wrote:
Quote: A lot of it comes from the hospital emplyees themselves.Nurses who
don't sanitise their hand and such and even doctors that don't,Now
when i have to spend any amount of time in a hospital I have to worry
and wonder if the next person thats going to check me out has cleaned
theirselves first
No, you don't.
Either you see her change gloves or you tell her that
she isn't allowed to touch you. Same for the doc and
anyone else. If they do, yell at the top of your lungs
and demand an incident report.
NB: one of the more egregious practices today is that
workers "glove up" before seeing patients -- and don't
change gloves *between* patients.
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| D. C. Sessions... |
| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:25 am |
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In message <6dgv9qF2i1kkU1 at (no spam) mid.individual.net>, Andrew Heenan wrote:
Quote: It's also true research shows that nurses don't wash their hands as often as
they ought - but they are getting better, and - charles obviously hasn't
noticed - they do wear gloves for much patient contact these days.
Studies show that the current problem is more often that
they don't _change_ gloves between patients.
IMHO there should be a red can outside of every patient room
and any staff wearing gloves *outside* of a room written up,
any staff _without_ gloves inside of a room likewise.
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| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
| unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct |
| before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson |
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